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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:14 am

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Angered: That more than half of the World Assembly resolutions being placed to a vote involve the Condemnation and Commendation of Nations.


217% of statistics posted are made up on the spot.


Again you are using a falacious argument to make your point.

Recent studies have proven that it is only 196% of statistics which are made up on the spot. You need to update your subscription to "WA Statistics Monthly Journal"


Aw darn - I've been devoting 436% of my personal budget to "WA - Time Wasted Weekly," "Hippies vs. Economics and Practicality," and "The Reputation-Related Darwin Awards," and wasn't able to renew my subscription to that particular journal.

Although there's a lot of good stuff in the third magazine I mentioned - especially the article on Aegara.


Yes, we read that one. Quite well written.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:26 am

Promote Autonomy

Category: Recreational Drug Use
Decision: Promote
Proposed by: The Cielo Islands

Description: RECOGNIZE that cannabis is one of the most hardy, easily grown flora of its type. Its medicinal uses (recognized by the 14 of the United States, Spain, The Netherlands, and Austria) are numerous... making it an invaluable substance.

RECOGNIZE that the relative safety of cannabis outweighs that of EVERY medicine it competes with (NAIDs, anti-emetics, antidepressants, anxyolitics, etc, etc), and is even safer than water!!!

During the United State's prohibition of alcohol, consumption levels were through the roof, and all money supported underground activities. As seen in the Netherlands, drug-related crime rates have drastically fallen due to legalization of cannabis in small quantities.

Let us promote the legalization of self-medication with cannabis, for the betterment of health care, the war on drugs, and society.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:04 pm

Love is Blind
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: The Cielo Islands

Description: RECOGNIZE that homosexual couples are constantly discriminated against for something they have no more control over than a man, the color of his skin.

Let us legalize homosexual marital rights, so that we can truly be a non-discriminatory governing body!


:palm:

Note to new members - PLEASE READ PAST RESOLUTIONS PRIOR TO MAKING A PROPOSAL. This already covered under Resolution #15: Freedom of Marriage Act. Also, not EVERY proposal needs a "strong" strength. Yes, we know you are passionate about your proposal. BUT, Not everybody shares your views. This proposal, if it were not already illegal as it is already covered by another proposal, really needs nothing more than "mild" strength.

Also, it is a good idea to post drafts first and avail yourself of the ideas and suggestions of other WA members in order to put together a much more coherent proposal. That prevent getting ill defined and ill thought out and illegal proposals clogging up the works.
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Postby Malikov » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:07 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Love is Blind
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: The Cielo Islands

Description: RECOGNIZE that homosexual couples are constantly discriminated against for something they have no more control over than a man, the color of his skin.

Let us legalize homosexual marital rights, so that we can truly be a non-discriminatory governing body!


:palm:

Note to new members - PLEASE READ PAST RESOLUTIONS PRIOR TO MAKING A PROPOSAL. This already covered under Resolution #15: Freedom of Marriage Act.

Also, it is a good idea to post drafts first and avail yourself of the ideas and suggestions of other WA members in order to put together a much more coherent proposal. That prevent getting ill defined and ill thought out and illegal proposals clogging up the works.


Not to mention that they think skin colour has something to do with homosexuality... :palm:
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Postby Nordicus » Sun Dec 13, 2009 1:57 pm

Mods: Sorry about all the GHRs I submitted for the proposals, I didn't realize we are supposed to post non-urgent ones here. It might help if you add that to the "Rules for GA Proposals" sticky, though, as I don't see any easy source of finding that info. :)
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Postby The Emmerian Unions » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:29 pm

The Student Representation Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Amerivonous

Description: Students Representation Act

An Act to Allow Student Representation on high school and college boards and in unions.
__________________________________________________

Whereas the students are entitled to fundamental equal rights of representation on high school and college boards and unions. All student representatives are also to be entitled the same equal opportunity to representation as teachers and administrators.
__________________________________________________

Section 1. Student will be elected by the direct popular vote of the students and have a contract negotiated and signed between that elected representative and current board members. The representative shall be between the ages of sixteen and twenty-two.

Section 2. The representative shall serve the same terms as the teachers and administrators. Unless by graduation, illness, or their letter of resignation.

Clause 1. In any of the previous situations listed, their shall be a special election two months before graduation and or resignation.

Clause 2. In the case of illness, a temporary representative shall be appointed by the school board within the two weeks of the illness being reported by the student, parent and or guardian.

Section 3. When elected, the board shall assign a secretary to assist him or her or the representative may choose his or her own secretary.

Clause 1. If he or she does not want a secretary they shall have the right to reject the assignment of a secretary.

Section 4. Any law coming in conflict with this bill shall be declared null and void.

Section 5. The funding for this bill shall come from the local taxpayers of that residing area.

Section 6. This bill shall go into effect Immediately after passage.


Creates a Tax on WA nations, possible game mechanics or meta-gaming, and not all nations have people between the ages of 16 and 22.
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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:52 pm

Nordicus wrote:Mods: Sorry about all the GHRs I submitted for the proposals, I didn't realize we are supposed to post non-urgent ones here. It might help if you add that to the "Rules for GA Proposals" sticky, though, as I don't see any easy source of finding that info. :)

It doesn't matter whether you post them here or file a GHR, the end result is the same.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:13 pm

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
The Student Representation Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Amerivonous

Description: Students Representation Act

An Act to Allow Student Representation on high school and college boards and in unions.
__________________________________________________

Whereas the students are entitled to fundamental equal rights of representation on high school and college boards and unions. All student representatives are also to be entitled the same equal opportunity to representation as teachers and administrators.
__________________________________________________

Section 1. Student will be elected by the direct popular vote of the students and have a contract negotiated and signed between that elected representative and current board members. The representative shall be between the ages of sixteen and twenty-two.

Section 2. The representative shall serve the same terms as the teachers and administrators. Unless by graduation, illness, or their letter of resignation.

Clause 1. In any of the previous situations listed, their shall be a special election two months before graduation and or resignation.

Clause 2. In the case of illness, a temporary representative shall be appointed by the school board within the two weeks of the illness being reported by the student, parent and or guardian.

Section 3. When elected, the board shall assign a secretary to assist him or her or the representative may choose his or her own secretary.

Clause 1. If he or she does not want a secretary they shall have the right to reject the assignment of a secretary.

Section 4. Any law coming in conflict with this bill shall be declared null and void.

Section 5. The funding for this bill shall come from the local taxpayers of that residing area.

Section 6. This bill shall go into effect Immediately after passage.


Creates a Tax on WA nations, possible game mechanics or meta-gaming, and not all nations have people between the ages of 16 and 22.


student representation for secondary schools and universities and unions? why not corporations as well? the government? :palm:

sheesh. ok, no. silly proposal.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:43 pm

Yet another one from the Cielo islands which duplicates and already existing resolution, this time Resolution #59 The Right to Education.

Project, Next Generation
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: The Cielo Islands

Description: DISMAYED with the standards of education found even in the most developed countries.

HEARTBROKEN with the complete lack of education in others.

Proposition: Require 12 year mandatory education for all children. All will have the opportunity to go to secondary school if they choose.
Teachers must be qualified in both the area they teach and education. All necessary tools will be provided federally, including internet access for research projects.



Our question is this, is Cielo islands going to write duplicates of each and every resolution? How many times before we can ask for mod action?
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Postby Flibbleites » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:16 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Yet another one from the Cielo islands which duplicates and already existing resolution, this time Resolution #59 The Right to Education.

Project, Next Generation
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: The Cielo Islands

Description: DISMAYED with the standards of education found even in the most developed countries.

HEARTBROKEN with the complete lack of education in others.

Proposition: Require 12 year mandatory education for all children. All will have the opportunity to go to secondary school if they choose.
Teachers must be qualified in both the area they teach and education. All necessary tools will be provided federally, including internet access for research projects.



Our question is this, is Cielo islands going to write duplicates of each and every resolution? How many times before we can ask for mod action?

I more curious as to why Cielo islands felt the need to put a comma in the title.

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Postby Enn » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:58 am

The Emmerian Unions wrote:
The Student Representation Act

A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Amerivonous

Description: Students Representation Act

An Act to Allow Student Representation on high school and college boards and in unions.
__________________________________________________

Whereas the students are entitled to fundamental equal rights of representation on high school and college boards and unions. All student representatives are also to be entitled the same equal opportunity to representation as teachers and administrators.
__________________________________________________

Section 1. Student will be elected by the direct popular vote of the students and have a contract negotiated and signed between that elected representative and current board members. The representative shall be between the ages of sixteen and twenty-two.

Section 2. The representative shall serve the same terms as the teachers and administrators. Unless by graduation, illness, or their letter of resignation.

Clause 1. In any of the previous situations listed, their shall be a special election two months before graduation and or resignation.

Clause 2. In the case of illness, a temporary representative shall be appointed by the school board within the two weeks of the illness being reported by the student, parent and or guardian.

Section 3. When elected, the board shall assign a secretary to assist him or her or the representative may choose his or her own secretary.

Clause 1. If he or she does not want a secretary they shall have the right to reject the assignment of a secretary.

Section 4. Any law coming in conflict with this bill shall be declared null and void.

Section 5. The funding for this bill shall come from the local taxpayers of that residing area.

Section 6. This bill shall go into effect Immediately after passage.


Creates a Tax on WA nations, possible game mechanics or meta-gaming, and not all nations have people between the ages of 16 and 22.

I'm a true believer in student unionisation. This, is not student unionisation. Also, students can easily be past the age of 22. Mature-age, long degrees, post-grads, slow learners, the possibilities are endless.
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Postby Ardchoille » Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:16 am

Flibbleites wrote:
Nordicus wrote:Mods: Sorry about all the GHRs I submitted for the proposals, I didn't realize we are supposed to post non-urgent ones here. It might help if you add that to the "Rules for GA Proposals" sticky, though, as I don't see any easy source of finding that info. :)

It doesn't matter whether you post them here or file a GHR, the end result is the same.


Not quite: if you file a GHR, you make the non-GA mods think it's urgent, and then they have to come into the GA and read the proposals ... life is hard enough without that :twisted:
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Postby Goobergunchia » Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:21 am

/me remembers the old days when he'd just telegram Enodia with bad UN proposals. 8)
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:07 am

Compulsory education
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Diatraba

Description: I wish to put before the Assembly the motion that the following subjects be studied for a minimum of four hours per fortnight in our childrens' schools
English
The respective language of a state
History
Geography
One other foreign language
Sports


Yet another virtual, and poorly written, duplication of Resolution #59 The Right to Education. And why is "english" listed as a prime course of study, before the "respective language of a state"?
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Postby Philimbesi » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:09 am

Apportionment of Delegates

A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy


Strength: Strong


Proposed by: FlagDiatraba

Description: Seeing that all Regions have Delegates and NOTING that this is central to Democracy, I wish to propose to the Assembly that there be a Census (or similar) carried out EVERY FIVE YEARS, and that the data collected in the Census be used to decide on how many delegates each Region receives:
The Minimum Delegate count for a region is one delegate:
If a Region has more than twenty States as part of its region, then that Region is allowed Two Delegates, and this will continue thus:
For every Twentieth State, the Region in Question shall receive one extra Delegate
the Maximum delegate count is Five Delegates per Region

Approvals: 0

Status: Lacking Support (requires 56 more approvals)

Voting Ends: in 3 days, 10 hours


Illegal, metagaming.
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Apportionment of Delegates
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Diatraba

Description: Seeing that all Regions have Delegates and NOTING that this is central to Democracy, I wish to propose to the Assembly that there be a Census (or similar) carried out EVERY FIVE YEARS, and that the data collected in the Census be used to decide on how many delegates each Region receives:
The Minimum Delegate count for a region is one delegate:
If a Region has more than twenty States as part of its region, then that Region is allowed Two Delegates, and this will continue thus:
For every Twentieth State, the Region in Question shall receive one extra Delegate
the Maximum delegate count is Five Delegates per Region


illegal. Metagaming, and just pointless at that.


Membership of World Assembly
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Diatraba

Description:
It is important that each and every member has their own rights, means and methods of making their opinion heard in these Hallowed Halls of the World Assembly(hereafter known as "The Assembly"). Therefore, I wish to propose that Membership of The Assembly be Compulsory for each and every State within this World, so that Democracy can be furthered and each and every State is safe in the Knowledge that they have all had a say in the runnings of the World


Illegal. More metagaming, and just stupid metagaming at that since game rules are that only 1 nation per player may be in the WA.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:23 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Membership of World Assembly
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Diatraba

Description:
It is important that each and every member has their own rights, means and methods of making their opinion heard in these Hallowed Halls of the World Assembly(hereafter known as "The Assembly"). Therefore, I wish to propose that Membership of The Assembly be Compulsory for each and every State within this World, so that Democracy can be furthered and each and every State is safe in the Knowledge that they have all had a say in the runnings of the World


Illegal. More metagaming, and just stupid metagaming at that since game rules are that only 1 nation per player may be in the WA.


This would also legalize cheating? :eyebrow:

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:25 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Membership of World Assembly
A resolution to increase democratic freedoms.


Category: Furtherment of Democracy
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Diatraba

Description:
It is important that each and every member has their own rights, means and methods of making their opinion heard in these Hallowed Halls of the World Assembly(hereafter known as "The Assembly"). Therefore, I wish to propose that Membership of The Assembly be Compulsory for each and every State within this World, so that Democracy can be furthered and each and every State is safe in the Knowledge that they have all had a say in the runnings of the World


Illegal. More metagaming, and just stupid metagaming at that since game rules are that only 1 nation per player may be in the WA.


This would also legalize cheating? :eyebrow:

It's game mechanics, in fact.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:34 pm

Yeah, don't you just love all these nebbishnoob proposals by folk who:

a.) Don't read the rules for making a proposal first
b.) Submit a poorly written, vague proposal which badly duplicates a resolution already in force
c.) Don't put the proposal up for debate first, which results in the badly written and vague proposals being posted here
d.) Don't read through already passed resolutions, which results in both b and c
e.) Make illegal proposals because they go with choices a, b, c and d
f.) Are so desperate to have their name attached to a proposal that they believe a, b, c, d and e are the way to go.

Ah well, if there were no proposals which followed the above scenarios, what would we have to post here then? :roll:
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Postby Enn » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:39 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:Ah well, if there were no proposals which followed the above scenarios, what would we have to post here then? :roll:

With any luck, more proposals along the lines of Inflatable Gandalfs and Mad Sheep Railgun.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:42 pm

Enn wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:Ah well, if there were no proposals which followed the above scenarios, what would we have to post here then? :roll:

With any luck, more proposals along the lines of Inflatable Gandalfs and Mad Sheep Railgun.


We cannot ever support an "inflatable Gandalfs" proposal. never. ever.

However, should it be entered as an "inflatable Arwen" or "inflatable Galadriel" proposal, you shall have our full backing.

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Postby Nordicus » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:43 pm

Philimbesi wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

Illegal, metagaming.

Grays Harbor wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

illegal. Metagaming, and just pointless at that.

I would say game mechanics changes rather than metagaming, as it isn't really breaking the fourth wall. However, it is indeed pointless. The only reason to allow multiple delegates would be to give large regions more voting power; that is already handled by delegates receiving extra votes based on endorsements.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:47 pm

Nordicus wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

Illegal, metagaming.

Grays Harbor wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

illegal. Metagaming, and just pointless at that.

I would say game mechanics changes rather than metagaming, as it isn't really breaking the fourth wall. However, it is indeed pointless. The only reason to allow multiple delegates would be to give large regions more voting power; that is already handled by delegates receiving extra votes based on endorsements.


I realize now that I used the incorrect term.

what I should have said was nothing more than my now standard "Its Bloody Stupid!", as opposed to trying for an actual game-related disagreement with those proposals.
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Postby Philimbesi » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:49 pm

Nordicus wrote:
Philimbesi wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

Illegal, metagaming.

Grays Harbor wrote:
Apportionment of Delegates

illegal. Metagaming, and just pointless at that.

I would say game mechanics changes rather than metagaming, as it isn't really breaking the fourth wall. However, it is indeed pointless. The only reason to allow multiple delegates would be to give large regions more voting power; that is already handled by delegates receiving extra votes based on endorsements.


Yes, I know I picked the wrong game infraction that made it illegal. It is however illegal none-the-less.
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Postby Nordicus » Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:51 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:what I should have said was nothing more than my now standard "Its Bloody Stupid!", as opposed to trying for an actual game-related disagreement with those proposals.

Haha, yes, I think it breaks the "bloody stupid" rule as well. It was rather amusing that both of you picked the same category, though. :)
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