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Postby Bears Armed » Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:33 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Economic Equality
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Rustika

Description: UNDERSTANDING- That a lower class workers survival is on his wage, and that if he is fired he will go through periods of hardships attempting possibly not even getting a new job. Realizing that a lower class citizen holds up the country.
DEMANDING-
1-That the minimum wage is to be increased by 50% to hold up for a workers needs. If a minimum wage does not exist then a one must be introduced. And seeing as they didn't already have one, the minimum wage must be the average for their entire region, or if not it must be a set amount that is to be agreed on.

*(snip)*

5-All workers must be in safe conditions and if they aren't the workers health (if they agree to be in dangerous conditions) is the corporation's responsibility. If a worker gets injured under corporation responsibility the worker has grounds to sue. But the corporation may set a super visor that the worker must live with, to make sure that the worker/s don't purposely hurt them selves to sue.

*(snip)*


maybe not illegal per se,


Well, we have already got both a 'Living Wage Act' and a 'Workplace Safety Act'... and I'd say that the requirement for new 'minimum wage' levels to be "the average for their entire region" was illegal for Meta-gaming, too...
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 7:50 am

oh yeah, forgot about those.


reminder for new folk making proposals: READ WHAT IS ALREADY IN EFFECT PRIOR TO MAKING A NEW AND IDENTICAL PROPOSAL Save us all alot of time.

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Postby Flibbleites » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:28 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Economic Equality
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Rustika

Description: UNDERSTANDING- That a lower class workers survival is on his wage, and that if he is fired he will go through periods of hardships attempting possibly not even getting a new job. Realizing that a lower class citizen holds up the country.
DEMANDING-
1-That the minimum wage is to be increased by 50% to hold up for a workers needs. If a minimum wage does not exist then a one must be introduced. And seeing as they didn't already have one, the minimum wage must be the average for their entire region, or if not it must be a set amount that is to be agreed on.
3-That mechanization is to be legal as long, as long as it does not affect a worker by cutting his salary, replacing him, affecting his health etc.
4- That the corporation pay full wage to a female worker in labour and pregnancy. If the corporation is unable to pay this, then the corporation is to fill out a pamphlet listing all the companies assets, income and loans, the company also lists all the spending, so as the government can loan them money to pay the maternity leave. A group under government pay check will supervise companies to see that the assets and spending are valid. If the corporation cannot pay back the loan, the government will take 25% percent of the corporations earnings after the workers are payed until the loan is payed back.
5-All workers must be in safe conditions and if they aren't the workers health (if they agree to be in dangerous conditions) is the corporation's responsibility. If a worker gets injured under corporation responsibility the worker has grounds to sue. But the corporation may set a super visor that the worker must live with, to make sure that the worker/s don't purposely hurt them selves to sue.
6-At least 2 employes performing manual labour must be promoted a year.


maybe not illegal per se, but a bit too much with the micromanaging. Far too much. We are guessing they have never heard the economic theory that "if you raise everybodies wages by 50%, the cost of everything will increase by at least that as the cost of production, manufacture, shipping and retailing will rise along with the incresed wages."

Micromanage. one size fits all.

And the author apparently has a problem with counting since the numbering goes 1, 3.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 9:37 am

maybe "2" is a secret annex
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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 11:47 am

Species Protection Act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Ramengakure

Description: DEFINING an endangered species as an animal with a world-wide population of less than 1,000

PROPOSING that all endangered species are protected under the WA, and that any attempt to harm, buy, sell or capture endangered species for any reason other than for their protection should be met with a suitable sentence.

FURTHER PROPOSING that a project for the preservation of the said endangered species should be established.


We believe this is already covered under Resolution # 66 Endangered Species Protection, and is therefore a duplication.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:09 pm

Creation of a World Bank

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: East Keswick

Description: This resolution aims to improve the world economy by having a World Bank manage and watch over the economies of the world, especially ones in need of developing.

The accepting of this resolution immediately:

1. Allows the creation of a World Bank
2. Allows the World Bank to manage trade between all members of the World Assembly
3. Lifts all sanctions imposed on a member of the World Assembly

We already have the General Fund.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:17 pm

What the Frell? What is this, "WA Duplicate Proposals Week"? Did we miss a holiday?
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Dec 10, 2009 1:23 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:What the Frell? What is this, "WA Duplicate Proposals Week"? Did we miss a holiday?

I must admit that I and some select few have recently got a stronger eye on duplicates which is why the reports are rising, which is a good thing although I note the rise of WA membership, which could mean many more nations wanting to try their hand on resolution writing.

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Postby Flibbleites » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:39 pm

Grays Harbor wrote:
Species Protection Act
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: All Businesses
Proposed by: Ramengakure

Description: DEFINING an endangered species as an animal with a world-wide population of less than 1,000

PROPOSING that all endangered species are protected under the WA, and that any attempt to harm, buy, sell or capture endangered species for any reason other than for their protection should be met with a suitable sentence.

FURTHER PROPOSING that a project for the preservation of the said endangered species should be established.


We believe this is already covered under Resolution # 66 Endangered Species Protection, and is therefore a duplication.

We believe this post is a duplication of this one. :p

Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Creation of a World Bank

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: East Keswick

Description: This resolution aims to improve the world economy by having a World Bank manage and watch over the economies of the world, especially ones in need of developing.

The accepting of this resolution immediately:

1. Allows the creation of a World Bank
2. Allows the World Bank to manage trade between all members of the World Assembly
3. Lifts all sanctions imposed on a member of the World Assembly

We already have the General Fund.
Honestly, I'm not seeing how this duplicates the WA General Fund. :unsure:

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:45 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote: *snip*
We believe this is already covered under Resolution # 66 Endangered Species Protection, and is therefore a duplication.

We believe this post is a duplication of this one. :p


yeah, fine, be that way. Just point out that we missed one post and pointed out the same thing a second time. uh huh. sure.


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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:16 pm

Flibbleites wrote:
Charlotte Ryberg wrote:
Creation of a World Bank

Category: Free Trade
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: East Keswick

Description: This resolution aims to improve the world economy by having a World Bank manage and watch over the economies of the world, especially ones in need of developing.

The accepting of this resolution immediately:

1. Allows the creation of a World Bank
2. Allows the World Bank to manage trade between all members of the World Assembly
3. Lifts all sanctions imposed on a member of the World Assembly

We already have the General Fund.
Honestly, I'm not seeing how this duplicates the WA General Fund. :unsure:

In principle it appears to be another source of infinite funds like the general fund because of the name: which may be known as misleading, but honestly, it could also be interpreted as controlling industries rather then letting them have more economic freedoms.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Thu Dec 10, 2009 4:20 pm

We do not care for the provision
Allows the World Bank to manage trade between all members of the World Assembly
as that seems to indicate, to us anyhow, that this "World Bank" would indeed be the micromanager of all trade, and we are quite capable of handling our own trade agreements without WA interference.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Fri Dec 11, 2009 7:01 am

Flibbleites wrote:
Bears Armed wrote:
Grays Harbor wrote:
Economic Equality
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Rustika

Description: UNDERSTANDING- That a lower class workers survival is on his wage, and that if he is fired he will go through periods of hardships attempting possibly not even getting a new job. Realizing that a lower class citizen holds up the country.
DEMANDING-
1-That the minimum wage is to be increased by 50% to hold up for a workers needs. If a minimum wage does not exist then a one must be introduced. And seeing as they didn't already have one, the minimum wage must be the average for their entire region, or if not it must be a set amount that is to be agreed on.
3-That mechanization is to be legal as long, as long as it does not affect a worker by cutting his salary, replacing him, affecting his health etc.
4- That the corporation pay full wage to a female worker in labour and pregnancy. If the corporation is unable to pay this, then the corporation is to fill out a pamphlet listing all the companies assets, income and loans, the company also lists all the spending, so as the government can loan them money to pay the maternity leave. A group under government pay check will supervise companies to see that the assets and spending are valid. If the corporation cannot pay back the loan, the government will take 25% percent of the corporations earnings after the workers are payed until the loan is payed back.
5-All workers must be in safe conditions and if they aren't the workers health (if they agree to be in dangerous conditions) is the corporation's responsibility. If a worker gets injured under corporation responsibility the worker has grounds to sue. But the corporation may set a super visor that the worker must live with, to make sure that the worker/s don't purposely hurt them selves to sue.
6-At least 2 employes performing manual labour must be promoted a year.


maybe not illegal per se, but a bit too much with the micromanaging. Far too much. We are guessing they have never heard the economic theory that "if you raise everybodies wages by 50%, the cost of everything will increase by at least that as the cost of production, manufacture, shipping and retailing will rise along with the incresed wages."

Micromanage. one size fits all.


Well, we have already got both a 'Living Wage Act' and a 'Workplace Safety Act'... and I'd say that the requirement for new 'minimum wage' levels to be "the average for their entire region" was illegal for Meta-gaming, too...


And the author apparently has a problem with counting since the numbering goes 1, 3.


And so, after the initial proposal was declared illegal and removed, the same author goes and put this up

Economic Equality
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Rustika

Description: UNDERSTANDING- That a lower class workers survival is on his wage, and that if he is fired he will go through periods of hardships attempting possibly not even getting a new job. Realizing that a lower class citizen holds up the country.

DEMANDING-

1-That mechanization is to be legal as long, as long as it does not affect a worker by cutting his salary, replacing him, affecting his health etc.

2- That the corporation pay full wage to a female worker in pregnancy. If the corporation is unable to pay this, then the corporation is to fill out a pamphlet listing all the companies assets, income and loans, the company also lists all the spending, so as the government can loan them money to pay the maternity leave. A group under government paycheck will supervise companies to see that the assets and spending are valid. If the corporation cannot pay back the loan, the government will take 25% percent of the corporation’s earnings after the workers are paid until the loan is paid back.

3-All workers must be in safe conditions and if they aren't the workers health (if they agree to be in dangerous conditions) is the corporation's responsibility. If a worker gets injured under corporation responsibility the worker has grounds to sue. But the corporation may set a super visor that the worker must work with, to make sure that the worker/s don't purposely hurt them selves to sue.

4-At least 2 employees performing manual labor must be promoted a year.

HOPING-That this declaration will raise awareness and promote social equality.


The only difference I see is that they now understand counting from 1 to 3 does include a 2
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Postby Flibbleites » Fri Dec 11, 2009 5:11 pm

Pro human rihgt movment
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Hijjma

Description: even though i am a cummunsit nation.
even i think not giving someone rights is cruel.
Wow, I don't know what's worse the atrocious spelling or the lack of this actually doing anything.

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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Dec 12, 2009 4:55 am

Flibbleites wrote:
Pro human rihgt movment
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Hijjma

Description: even though i am a cummunsit nation.
even i think not giving someone rights is cruel.
Wow, I don't know what's worse the atrocious spelling or the lack of this actually doing anything.

I suppose it is the format.

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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:48 am

Academic Collaboration Act
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Liberea

Description: Recognising the importance of international academic collaboration in the betterment of mankinds condition.

Understanding the need of academics to study papers released in other states.

Calling for pressure on states that restrict access to available outside papers to academics.

Demanding the free flow of scientific information without censorship from any governmental body.


Vague, Vaguer, Vaguest. Poorly written. Ill-defined. Disturbing that it "demands" a "free flow of scintific information without censorship" as this could also include proprietary information and critical defence information. Not a well thought out proposal.
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Postby Bears Armed » Sat Dec 12, 2009 7:50 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
Academic Collaboration Act
A resolution to promote funding and the development of education and the arts.


Category: Education and Creativity
Area of Effect: Educational
Proposed by: Liberea

Description: Recognising the importance of international academic collaboration in the betterment of mankinds condition.

Understanding the need of academics to study papers released in other states.

Calling for pressure on states that restrict access to available outside papers to academics.

Demanding the free flow of scientific information without censorship from any governmental body.


Vague, Vaguer, Vaguest. Poorly written. Ill-defined. Disturbing that it "demands" a "free flow of scintific information without censorship" as this could also include proprietary information and critical defence information. Not a well thought out proposal.

And it doesn't actually, grammatically speaking, contain any operative clauses...
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Postby Flibbleites » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:32 am

Bread Heel Act
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Carnoly

Description: SAVING people from the heels of bread

STATING that the heel is unhealthy compared to the rest of the bread

OUTLAWING the sale of bread that has heels on it without goverment consent

PROPOSING that the heel of the bread should be taken off before it is put into the store
I fail to see how removing the heels from loaves of bread qualifies as a Strong Moral Decency proposal.
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sat Dec 12, 2009 11:16 am

Flibbleites wrote:
Bread Heel Act
A resolution to restrict civil freedoms in the interest of moral decency.


Category: Moral Decency

Strength: Strong

Proposed by: Carnoly

Description: SAVING people from the heels of bread

STATING that the heel is unhealthy compared to the rest of the bread

OUTLAWING the sale of bread that has heels on it without goverment consent

PROPOSING that the heel of the bread should be taken off before it is put into the store
I fail to see how removing the heels from loaves of bread qualifies as a Strong Moral Decency proposal.


please tell us this has been dealt with, preferably by flamethrower.

This also very nearly sounds like a "jike" proposal.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Sat Dec 12, 2009 3:10 pm

Changes to the WA

A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.

Category: Political Stability
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Nolandisland

Description: This resolution seeks to end the practice of condemning and commending Nations in the World Assembly.

Noting: That the "Condemn & Commend" features of the World Assembly are often used to further frivolous rivalries

Appalled: That the austere body known as the World Assembly would lower itself to promoting these rivalries.

Angered: That more than half of the World Assembly resolutions being placed to a vote involve the Condemnation and Commendation of Nations.

Noting: That the Security council would not be completely obliterated by the effects of this proposal, as some may believe, do to their power to liberate a country.

Suggesting: That the Commend and Condemn powers of the World Assembly be stricken, and that Nations no longer be permitted to waste the World Assembly's time with such pointless proposal.

Hereby: bans these features of the World Assembly.

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Postby Enn » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:07 pm

Furtherment of communism
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.

Category: Political Stability
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Hijjma

Description: it is unjust to have fertherment of democracy and not it opposite the furtherment of communism.

I wasn't aware Communism was the opposite of Democracy. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure it isn't.

Games Mechanics, and don't we already have Political Stability as a counter to Furtherment of Democracy? That is, after all, the category this was submitted under.
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Postby A mean old man » Sat Dec 12, 2009 6:18 pm

Angered: That more than half of the World Assembly resolutions being placed to a vote involve the Condemnation and Commendation of Nations.


217% of statistics posted are made up on the spot.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
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Postby Nordicus » Sat Dec 12, 2009 10:57 pm

Enn wrote:
Furtherment of communism
A resolution to restrict political freedoms in the interest of law and order.

Category: Political Stability
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Hijjma

Description: it is unjust to have fertherment of democracy and not it opposite the furtherment of communism.

I wasn't aware Communism was the opposite of Democracy. In fact, I'm pretty damn sure it isn't.

Games Mechanics, and don't we already have Political Stability as a counter to Furtherment of Democracy? That is, after all, the category this was submitted under.

Let's not forgot the other gem that player has recently submitted:

Pro human rihgt movment
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Hijjma

Description: even though i am a cummunsit nation.
even i think not giving someone rights is cruel.

Approvals: 1 (Jimmy Hart)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 56 more approvals)
Voting Ends: in 1 day, 22 hours

Rather amazing that a "cummunsit" nation would support... whatever it is that the bill is supposed to do, which he apparently forgot to tell us. :roll:
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Postby Grays Harbor » Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:25 am

A mean old man wrote:
Angered: That more than half of the World Assembly resolutions being placed to a vote involve the Condemnation and Commendation of Nations.


217% of statistics posted are made up on the spot.


Again you are using a falacious argument to make your point.

Recent studies have proven that it is only 196% of statistics which are made up on the spot. You need to update your subscription to "WA Statistics Monthly Journal"
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Postby A mean old man » Sun Dec 13, 2009 11:08 am

Grays Harbor wrote:
A mean old man wrote:
Angered: That more than half of the World Assembly resolutions being placed to a vote involve the Condemnation and Commendation of Nations.


217% of statistics posted are made up on the spot.


Again you are using a falacious argument to make your point.

Recent studies have proven that it is only 196% of statistics which are made up on the spot. You need to update your subscription to "WA Statistics Monthly Journal"


Aw darn - I've been devoting 436% of my personal budget to "WA - Time Wasted Weekly," "Hippies vs. Economics and Practicality," and "The Reputation-Related Darwin Awards," and wasn't able to renew my subscription to that particular journal.

Although there's a lot of good stuff in the third magazine I mentioned - especially the article on Aegara.
A: SC#16 - Repeal "Liberate The Security Council"
A: SC#26 - Commend The Joint Systems Alliance
A: SC#30 - Commend 10000 Islands
A: SC#37 - Condemn NAZI EUROPE
A: SC#38 - Repeal "Condemn NAZI EUROPE"
A: GA#149 - On Expiration Dates
C: SC#58 - Repeal "Commend Sedgistan"
A: SC#62 - Repeal "Condemn Swarmlandia"
C: SC#63 - Commend Ballotonia
A: SC#65 - Condemn Punk Reloaded
C: GA#163 - Repeal "Law of the Sea"
A: SC#72 - Repeal "Commend Mikeswill"
C: SC#74 - Condemn Lone Wolves United
C: SC#76 - Repeal "Condemn Thatcherton"
A: SC#81 - Repeal "Condemn Anthony Delasanta"
C: SC#83 - Condemn Automagfreek
C: SC#84 - Repeal "Liberate Islam"
C: SC#111 - Commend Krulltopia ← please forget

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