NATION

PASSWORD

[DEFEATED] Liberate Alterante

A carefully preserved record of the most notable World Assembly debates.

Advertisement

Remove ads

User avatar
Honeydewistania
Senator
 
Posts: 3875
Founded: Jun 09, 2017
Ex-Nation

Postby Honeydewistania » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:51 am

I think we should do better than accusing random posters of being supporters of the AfD
Home of the first best pizza topping known to NationStates | Prolific Security Council Author (15x resolutions written) | Not that one fraud, Pineappleistania(ew) | Mouthpiece for Melons' first-rate SC takes | read this please

Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass

User avatar
Cela
Secretary
 
Posts: 30
Founded: Jan 22, 2019
Ex-Nation

Postby Cela » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:51 am

Is this a vote on a person or the resolution at hand? Most people here seemingly agree with the resolution, so what’s the problem? You don’t like the author fine, but that is not relevant to why this resolution is important. This level of pettiness should have no place in the WA.
Don't Mourn, organize!

User avatar
Portzania
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1494
Founded: Oct 30, 2022
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Portzania » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:52 am

Nah.
⚔︎The Portzanian Social Republic⚔︎
"My final wish to mankind? Don't let women be the central spokesperson for your ideology, religion, ethics, and....."
*BEEEEEEEEEEP*
Portzania is an underdeveloped nation consisting of an archipelago located in the Mediterranean, near Egypt.
Novidades! | What is a Weeping Flesh Hive? Protect your family. | "It wasn't a hate crime because I loved doing it, officer" Says convicted suspect of Church vandalism. |"Portzania's Violence Map Shows Alarming Trends" - Portzania Reports

tag: skeletonjanitor
Here's my compass results: https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... 8&soc=0.82

User avatar
0cala
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 387
Founded: May 26, 2020
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby 0cala » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:53 am

Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.
Portzania wrote:Nah.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

Retired Anti-Fascist Raider 2022-2024
oooooo oooooo

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:55 am

Angeloid Astraea wrote:
Herten wrote:As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in a social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

You're a German national? An AfD supporter, no doubt...

Image

Have fun supporting this.


I see socialists, monarchists, liberals, etc. in the same list that you have generously kept for yourself. However, personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of indiscriminating text are baseless and irrelevant.

Let me quote Christopher Hitchens:
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

User avatar
Portzania
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1494
Founded: Oct 30, 2022
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Portzania » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:56 am

0cala wrote:Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.
Portzania wrote:Nah.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

Not sure why that’s relevant, but sure, and now I’m a WA delegate :3, and I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!
⚔︎The Portzanian Social Republic⚔︎
"My final wish to mankind? Don't let women be the central spokesperson for your ideology, religion, ethics, and....."
*BEEEEEEEEEEP*
Portzania is an underdeveloped nation consisting of an archipelago located in the Mediterranean, near Egypt.
Novidades! | What is a Weeping Flesh Hive? Protect your family. | "It wasn't a hate crime because I loved doing it, officer" Says convicted suspect of Church vandalism. |"Portzania's Violence Map Shows Alarming Trends" - Portzania Reports

tag: skeletonjanitor
Here's my compass results: https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... 8&soc=0.82

User avatar
Picairn
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10551
Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:58 am

Herten wrote:As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.
Picairn's Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister: Edward H. Cornell
WA Ambassador: John M. Terry (Active)
Factbook | Constitution | Newspaper
Social democrat, passionate political observer, and naval warfare enthusiast.
More NSG-y than NSG veterans
♛ The Empire of Picairn ♛
-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-—————————-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-
Colonel (Brevet) of the North Pacific Army, COO of Warzone Trinidad

User avatar
0cala
Chargé d'Affaires
 
Posts: 387
Founded: May 26, 2020
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby 0cala » Sun Sep 24, 2023 8:58 am

Portzania wrote:
0cala wrote:Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!

Actually, that's what i want.

Please vote against as this proposal has no use anyways!
The region was already liberated, and no, i dont know how it got liberated.

Retired Anti-Fascist Raider 2022-2024
oooooo oooooo

User avatar
Portzania
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1494
Founded: Oct 30, 2022
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Portzania » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:00 am

0cala wrote:
Portzania wrote:I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!

Actually, that's what i want.

Please vote against as this proposal has no use anyways!
The region was already liberated, and no, i dont know how it got liberated.

Mhm.
⚔︎The Portzanian Social Republic⚔︎
"My final wish to mankind? Don't let women be the central spokesperson for your ideology, religion, ethics, and....."
*BEEEEEEEEEEP*
Portzania is an underdeveloped nation consisting of an archipelago located in the Mediterranean, near Egypt.
Novidades! | What is a Weeping Flesh Hive? Protect your family. | "It wasn't a hate crime because I loved doing it, officer" Says convicted suspect of Church vandalism. |"Portzania's Violence Map Shows Alarming Trends" - Portzania Reports

tag: skeletonjanitor
Here's my compass results: https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpo ... 8&soc=0.82

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:06 am

Picairn wrote:
Herten wrote:As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.


Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

User avatar
Angeloid Astraea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 828
Founded: Feb 20, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:07 am

Honeydewistania wrote:I think we should do better than accusing random posters of being supporters of the AfD

Oh no! I'm so sorry for accusing the guy sympathizing with fascists despite the evidence he saw of being a supporter of a far-right political party in the country he voluntarily told me he lives in. I've committed a grave sin. Please forgive me, Honeydewistania! D=
JOY TO THE WORLD
CAN YA HEAR ME?

SANCTIONED by MGC:"On Europe"

User avatar
Improper Classifications
Ambassador
 
Posts: 1313
Founded: Apr 18, 2022
Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Improper Classifications » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:09 am

Herten wrote:Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.
Former Acolyte of Malice
Founder and Champion of Voidcall, Conqueror of Majesty and Pentarchs.
Legally proscribed in The South Pacific under On Concord.
The Imperial Federation of Improper Classifications

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:11 am

Improper Classifications wrote:
Herten wrote:Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.


You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

User avatar
Picairn
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10551
Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:12 am

Herten wrote:Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

Nobody cares about NS stats. I myself RP as a constitutional monarchy despite not having Monarchy as a policy.

The region's RMB is riddled with fascist and anti-LGBT content as proven by Koth.

Why is this proposal singled out for evidence? I don't see you making the same demands for previous Liberations, in fact this thread is the only one you have participated in.
Picairn's Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister: Edward H. Cornell
WA Ambassador: John M. Terry (Active)
Factbook | Constitution | Newspaper
Social democrat, passionate political observer, and naval warfare enthusiast.
More NSG-y than NSG veterans
♛ The Empire of Picairn ♛
-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-—————————-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-
Colonel (Brevet) of the North Pacific Army, COO of Warzone Trinidad

User avatar
Angeloid Astraea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 828
Founded: Feb 20, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:13 am

Herten wrote:
Picairn wrote:North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.


Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?


They're a member of the regional government. The leader of the region knows they're fascist and allows them to remain there, the same leader that commands the military that this proposal sought to Liberate a region from the occupation of. Other nations in the region have displayed behaviors typical of fascists. Asking this question is playing stupid.

Herten wrote:Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous.

Fascism is not the same as just authoritarianism, and being unabashedly fascist in your regional theme is not the same as having a nation that has an authoritarian policy in its Policies tab. You're being ridiculous here...

Herten wrote:This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?


I'll quote Second Sovereignty as the answer to this!
Second Sovereignty wrote:The evidence regarding fascism in The Eternal Order is plain to see, posted in this very thread and frankly, despite their objections otherwise, well known for some time among anyone who bothered to look.


Herten wrote:You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

What in the world does the filesize of the text have to do with the strength of the evidence?
JOY TO THE WORLD
CAN YA HEAR ME?

SANCTIONED by MGC:"On Europe"

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:19 am

Picairn wrote:
Herten wrote:Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

Nobody cares about NS stats. I myself RP as a constitutional monarchy despite not having Monarchy as a policy.

The region's RMB is riddled with fascist and anti-LGBT content as proven by Koth.

Why is this proposal singled out for evidence? I don't see you making the same demands for previous Liberations, in fact this thread is the only one you have participated in.


Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

User avatar
Mlakhavia
Diplomat
 
Posts: 629
Founded: Mar 31, 2022
Ex-Nation

Postby Mlakhavia » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:23 am

Improper Classifications wrote:
Herten wrote:Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.

My stats wholly reflect my positions on everything
PRAF
THROUGH RED SKIES // TO GREEN FIELDS
Fight the Right: Join the PRAF!
Leningrad Airfield: Ruling the skies since 2021.
Leftist Reading Resources
Come to the Communist Bloc: NationStates' largest leftist region! ★



/ Independent of the Year 2023 / Air Marshal of the People's Revolutionary Air Force / Terror of Trinidad /

Perfidious trickster beloved by all*, legitimate Delegate of Warzone Trinidad, &c. 'Tyrant', 'unhinged', 'Misley 2', 'fucking annoying', 'a genuinely terrible person'
She / Her


[iota] — «being british is fine when you do it»
[nota] — «you embody the spirit of what i enjoy in raiding»
[wasc] — «Sleet is an amazing person, do not follow in her footsteps»

User avatar
Wallenburg
Postmaster of the Fleet
 
Posts: 22871
Founded: Jan 30, 2015
Democratic Socialists

Postby Wallenburg » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:24 am

Seeing as the region has simply switched hands to another raiding group, I will continue to support this.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

King of Snark, Real Piece of Work, Metabolizer of Oxygen, Old Man from The East Pacific, by the Malevolence of Her Infinite Terribleness Catherine Gratwick the Sole and True Claimant to the Bears Armed Vacancy, Protector of the Realm

User avatar
Picairn
Postmaster-General
 
Posts: 10551
Founded: Feb 21, 2020
Left-wing Utopia

Postby Picairn » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:26 am

Herten wrote:Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

You sound ignorant actually, this isn't the first controversial proposal. Condemn The Communist Bloc proposals were a running joke of the SC for a while for poorly written and researched arguments, and were consistently voted down.

Respect? Since when did the SC become respectable in the first place? Bhang Bhang Duc is well-known for his "badge hunt" catchphrase against new SC authors. 0cala may have overreacted but jumping on a new author who doesn't even speak English well is utter disrespect, really.
Picairn's Ministry of Foreign Affairs
Minister: Edward H. Cornell
WA Ambassador: John M. Terry (Active)
Factbook | Constitution | Newspaper
Social democrat, passionate political observer, and naval warfare enthusiast.
More NSG-y than NSG veterans
♛ The Empire of Picairn ♛
-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-—————————-✯ ✯ ✯ ✯ ✯-
Colonel (Brevet) of the North Pacific Army, COO of Warzone Trinidad

User avatar
Angeloid Astraea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 828
Founded: Feb 20, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:27 am

Wallenburg wrote:Seeing as the region has simply switched hands to another raiding group, I will continue to support this.

That's a fashbash, Wallenburg, not another raid.
JOY TO THE WORLD
CAN YA HEAR ME?

SANCTIONED by MGC:"On Europe"

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:31 am

Angeloid Astraea wrote:
Herten wrote:
Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?


They're a member of the regional government. The leader of the region knows they're fascist and allows them to remain there, the same leader that commands the military that this proposal sought to Liberate a region from the occupation of. Other nations in the region have displayed behaviors typical of fascists. Asking this question is playing stupid.

Herten wrote:Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous.

Fascism is not the same as just authoritarianism, and being unabashedly fascist in your regional theme is not the same as having a nation that has an authoritarian policy in its Policies tab. You're being ridiculous here...

Herten wrote:This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?


I'll quote Second Sovereignty as the answer to this!
Second Sovereignty wrote:The evidence regarding fascism in The Eternal Order is plain to see, posted in this very thread and frankly, despite their objections otherwise, well known for some time among anyone who bothered to look.


Herten wrote:You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

What in the world does the filesize of the text have to do with the strength of the evidence?


The way you’re demanding conformity that aligns with your world views is more fascist than you probably think.
I see no evidence that supports the insinuations about the region as a whole. I only see weak personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of text that have no direct connection to fascism WHATSOEVER.

User avatar
Angeloid Astraea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 828
Founded: Feb 20, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:34 am

Herten wrote:The way you’re demanding conformity that aligns with your world views is more fascist than you probably think.
I see no evidence that supports the insinuations about the region as a whole. I only see weak personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of text that have no direct connection to fascism WHATSOEVER.

I like how you temporarily lowered your extremely high standards for calling someone fascist just so you could call me one. =P
Last edited by Angeloid Astraea on Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:36 am, edited 3 times in total.
JOY TO THE WORLD
CAN YA HEAR ME?

SANCTIONED by MGC:"On Europe"

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:35 am

Picairn wrote:
Herten wrote:Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

You sound ignorant actually, this isn't the first controversial proposal. Condemn The Communist Bloc proposals were a running joke of the SC for a while for poorly written and researched arguments, and were consistently voted down.

Respect? Since when did the SC become respectable in the first place? Bhang Bhang Duc is well-known for his "badge hunt" catchphrase against new SC authors. 0cala may have overreacted but jumping on a new author who doesn't even speak English well is utter disrespect, really.


Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.
I don’t think I am behaving ignorant by proposing a return to better standards, especially if the proposing party claims moral superiority.

User avatar
Angeloid Astraea
Diplomat
 
Posts: 828
Founded: Feb 20, 2014
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Angeloid Astraea » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:37 am

Herten wrote:Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.

So you were part of the Communist Bloc, but now you're in an anti-communist conservative region instead? I can't imagine what happened!
Last edited by Angeloid Astraea on Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:37 am, edited 1 time in total.
JOY TO THE WORLD
CAN YA HEAR ME?

SANCTIONED by MGC:"On Europe"

User avatar
Herten
Lobbyist
 
Posts: 14
Founded: Jul 20, 2016
Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Herten » Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:38 am

Angeloid Astraea wrote:
Herten wrote:Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.

So you were part of the Communist Bloc, but now you're in an anti-communist conservative region instead? I can't imagine what happened!


I matured.

Edit:
The way people are being attacked for explaining their reasons why they cannot support this proposal is shameful.
Last edited by Herten on Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:47 am, edited 1 time in total.

PreviousNext

Advertisement

Remove ads

Return to WA Archives

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users

Advertisement

Remove ads