[DEFEATED] Liberate Alterante

[Honeydewistania]

I think we should do better than accusing random posters of being supporters of the AfD

[Cela]

Is this a vote on a person or the resolution at hand? Most people here seemingly agree with the resolution, so what’s the problem? You don’t like the author fine, but that is not relevant to why this resolution is important. This level of pettiness should have no place in the WA.

[Portzania]

Nah.

[0cala]

Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.

Nah.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

[Herten]

As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in a social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

You're a German national? An AfD supporter, no doubt...



Have fun supporting this.

I see socialists, monarchists, liberals, etc. in the same list that you have generously kept for yourself. However, personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of indiscriminating text are baseless and irrelevant.

Let me quote Christopher Hitchens:
"What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence."

[Portzania]

Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.

Nah.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

Not sure why that’s relevant, but sure, and now I’m a WA delegate :3, and I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!

[Picairn]

As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.

[0cala]

Happy 10 pages of absolute BS! But really, this didn't need 10 pages.

Aren't you that guy who got kicked out of TL for being fascist?

I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!

Actually, that's what i want.

Please vote against as this proposal has no use anyways!
The region was already liberated, and no, i dont know how it got liberated.

[Portzania]

I vote no. Thanks for the reminder though!

Actually, that's what i want.

Please vote against as this proposal has no use anyways!
The region was already liberated, and no, i dont know how it got liberated.

Mhm.

[Herten]

As a German national I am quite simply appalled. This is not evidence nor have traditional stances on gender and sexuality enough weight to call someone fascist. I’ll remind you that these claims are slander (not only in social contexts, but also legal ones)

As a NationStates player I am appalled by the aggressive non-roleplaying aspect of this proposal. This is basically a direct attack on the character of other participants with (I’ll be honest here) bullshit-evidence.

I would rather support morally dubious people than this half-assed attempt at nothing.

North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.

Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

[Angeloid Astraea]

I think we should do better than accusing random posters of being supporters of the AfD

Oh no! I'm so sorry for accusing the guy sympathizing with fascists despite the evidence he saw of being a supporter of a far-right political party in the country he voluntarily told me he lives in. I've committed a grave sin. Please forgive me, Honeydewistania! D=

[Improper Classifications]

Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.

[Herten]

Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.

You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

[Picairn]

Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

Nobody cares about NS stats. I myself RP as a constitutional monarchy despite not having Monarchy as a policy.

The region's RMB is riddled with fascist and anti-LGBT content as proven by Koth.

Why is this proposal singled out for evidence? I don't see you making the same demands for previous Liberations, in fact this thread is the only one you have participated in.

[Angeloid Astraea]

North Bulgaristan is unabashedly fascist and he currently occupies the Scribe position in the region.

Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?

They're a member of the regional government. The leader of the region knows they're fascist and allows them to remain there, the same leader that commands the military that this proposal sought to Liberate a region from the occupation of. Other nations in the region have displayed behaviors typical of fascists. Asking this question is playing stupid.

Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous.

Fascism is not the same as just authoritarianism, and being unabashedly fascist in your regional theme is not the same as having a nation that has an authoritarian policy in its Policies tab. You're being ridiculous here...

This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

I'll quote Second Sovereignty as the answer to this!

The evidence regarding fascism in The Eternal Order is plain to see, posted in this very thread and frankly, despite their objections otherwise, well known for some time among anyone who bothered to look.

You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

What in the world does the filesize of the text have to do with the strength of the evidence?

[Herten]

Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?
Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous. This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

Nobody cares about NS stats. I myself RP as a constitutional monarchy despite not having Monarchy as a policy.

The region's RMB is riddled with fascist and anti-LGBT content as proven by Koth.

Why is this proposal singled out for evidence? I don't see you making the same demands for previous Liberations, in fact this thread is the only one you have participated in.

Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

[Mlakhavia]

Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board.

Last I checked (and I could be genuinely wrong on this) most gameplayers don't really care about their NS stats.

My stats wholly reflect my positions on everything

[Wallenburg]

Seeing as the region has simply switched hands to another raiding group, I will continue to support this.

[Picairn]

Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

You sound ignorant actually, this isn't the first controversial proposal. Condemn The Communist Bloc proposals were a running joke of the SC for a while for poorly written and researched arguments, and were consistently voted down.

Respect? Since when did the SC become respectable in the first place? Bhang Bhang Duc is well-known for his "badge hunt" catchphrase against new SC authors. 0cala may have overreacted but jumping on a new author who doesn't even speak English well is utter disrespect, really.

[Angeloid Astraea]

Seeing as the region has simply switched hands to another raiding group, I will continue to support this.

That's a fashbash, Wallenburg, not another raid.

[Herten]

Even if that’s true, what has one nation to do with the region as a whole?

They're a member of the regional government. The leader of the region knows they're fascist and allows them to remain there, the same leader that commands the military that this proposal sought to Liberate a region from the occupation of. Other nations in the region have displayed behaviors typical of fascists. Asking this question is playing stupid.

Also, check on some national policies of some participants here, you’ll find authoritarianism across the board. This is ridiculous.

Fascism is not the same as just authoritarianism, and being unabashedly fascist in your regional theme is not the same as having a nation that has an authoritarian policy in its Policies tab. You're being ridiculous here...

This could very well be a reaction to those accusations. Why wasn’t evidence collected BEFORE the proposal? Why do we have to ask for it?

I'll quote Second Sovereignty as the answer to this!

The evidence regarding fascism in The Eternal Order is plain to see, posted in this very thread and frankly, despite their objections otherwise, well known for some time among anyone who bothered to look.

You’re probably not wrong, but, then again, the evidence consists of ~10kb of text.

What in the world does the filesize of the text have to do with the strength of the evidence?

The way you’re demanding conformity that aligns with your world views is more fascist than you probably think.
I see no evidence that supports the insinuations about the region as a whole. I only see weak personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of text that have no direct connection to fascism WHATSOEVER.

[Angeloid Astraea]

The way you’re demanding conformity that aligns with your world views is more fascist than you probably think.
I see no evidence that supports the insinuations about the region as a whole. I only see weak personal attacks on the basis of a few lines of text that have no direct connection to fascism WHATSOEVER.

I like how you temporarily lowered your extremely high standards for calling someone fascist just so you could call me one. =P

[Herten]

Previous proposals had compelling arguments? The so-called evidence here is a joke.
Also the authors conduct is quite frankly childish and dismissive.

And yes. I was mostly lurking before, but let’s be honest here: this is not the way things should be handled here. I am missing respect towards the platform and its users.

You sound ignorant actually, this isn't the first controversial proposal. Condemn The Communist Bloc proposals were a running joke of the SC for a while for poorly written and researched arguments, and were consistently voted down.

Respect? Since when did the SC become respectable in the first place? Bhang Bhang Duc is well-known for his "badge hunt" catchphrase against new SC authors. 0cala may have overreacted but jumping on a new author who doesn't even speak English well is utter disrespect, really.

Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.
I don’t think I am behaving ignorant by proposing a return to better standards, especially if the proposing party claims moral superiority.

[Angeloid Astraea]

Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.

So you were part of the Communist Bloc, but now you're in an anti-communist conservative region instead? I can't imagine what happened!

[Herten]

Well, my nation was part of the CB funnily enough.

So you were part of the Communist Bloc, but now you're in an anti-communist conservative region instead? I can't imagine what happened!

I matured.

Edit:
The way people are being attacked for explaining their reasons why they cannot support this proposal is shameful.