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[DEFEATED] Liberate Alterante

Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:25 pm

The Security Council,

Reaffirming its commitment to anti-fascist action as outlined by SC #358,

Deeply concerned regarding the current situation in the region of Alterante, which has fallen under the control of occupying fascists who have locked the region behind a password secret from the natives of the region,

Detailing that the operation in Alterante by outside fascist forces is completely unacceptable.

Emphasizing the strong desire for Alterante to be freed from the malevolent influence of its current occupiers and returned to the rightful hands of the natives,

Determining that swift passage of this Liberation is crucial to restoring Alterante’s rightful autonomy and self-governance,

Hereby Liberates Alterante.

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Postby The Ice States » Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:27 pm

Support as written.
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Postby Improper Classifications » Mon Sep 11, 2023 3:31 pm

I figured it would pop up at some point. I've got a few others in the list.
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Postby Volstrostia » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:53 pm

Full support, although you might want to clarify that TEO is considered fascist - something along the lines of "Establishing the Eternal Order as a fascist military that has seized Alterante" would probably suffice.
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Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 4:56 pm

Volstrostia wrote:Full support, although you might want to clarify that TEO is considered fascist - something along the lines of "Establishing the Eternal Order as a fascist military that has seized Alterante" would probably suffice.

Will be added.
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I’m also working with 0cala here - edits will come tomorrow.
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Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:00 pm

New Draft is out.

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Postby Astrobolt » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:48 pm

Just to check, is there any support of a liberation by the natives of the region?
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Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:50 pm

Astrobolt wrote:Just to check, is there any support of a liberation by the natives of the region?

There are no natives, the region was conquered by fascists.

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Postby Fort Concord » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:51 pm

0cala wrote:Recognizing that the activities of Alterante's fascist forces are completely unacceptable.


Odd wording, implies that Alternate are the fascists. Otherwise, echo Astro's comment.
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Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:52 pm

Fort Concord wrote:
0cala wrote:Recognizing that the activities of Alterante's fascist forces are completely unacceptable.


Odd wording, implies that Alternate are the fascists. Otherwise, echo Astro's comment.

Dont know how that slipped in there. will change

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Postby 0cala » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:56 pm

Yet again, there are no Natives.

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Postby The Ice States » Mon Sep 11, 2023 7:58 pm

For what it's worth, I just sent a telegram to We forgot how to run a good society (the only native I could find) asking if they supported. It would be wise to wait for a response before anyone jumps to conclusions. I would, likewise, advise the author to wait until a response from them or some other native is received before submitting.

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There's been a draft posted for a WA proposal "Liberate Alterante". If passed, this would allow for the removal of the occupiers from The Eternal Order. The draft obviously isn't mine, but I want to check if you are fine with this draft? If so, can you please post to that end in the draft thread?

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Postby We forgot how to run a good society » Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:35 am

This is such a true burger moment. (The silly goobers incharge of We Forgot How to Run A Good Society agree to support this)

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Postby Mlakhavia » Tue Sep 12, 2023 11:39 am

Against mentioning the Eternal Order by name. Otherwise, support.
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Postby The Hinterplace » Tue Sep 12, 2023 1:49 pm

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The Hinterplace fully supports the Resolution proposed by the Delegation of 0cala. We will always support Resolutions of regions that are not fascist or regions that have been Raided by fascists. We do not agree with the Delegation from Mlakhavia, as the policy of not mentioning Raiders in Liberations is revisionist.


OOC: Since when is The Eternal Order fascist? Did I miss something?
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Postby 0cala » Tue Sep 12, 2023 2:40 pm

We forgot how to run a good society wrote:This is such a true burger moment. (The silly goobers incharge of We Forgot How to Run A Good Society agree to support this)

There it is folks, Native support.

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Postby King Nephmir II » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:00 pm

The Hinterplace wrote:OOC: Since when is The Eternal Order fascist? Did I miss something?

My refusal to provide full devotion to radical leftist ideology and subsequent withdrawal from raider unity forces permanently brands us as "Facist" despite the fact that we have iterated on numerous occasions that we subscribe to no ideology and maintain and fight for in-game causes rather than real world ideologies of any kind.

They do not respect our neutrality and respectful free speech and wished for The EO to suppress anything they arbitrarily decide to be hate speech no matter how respectful the point was argued. I refused, as founder and king of The EO, to subjugate my people to such whims and refused to force support for an ideology of any kind.

We do not raid in the name of Facism, obviously, but that is the only ammunition they have to combat us.

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Postby Valinka » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:04 pm

King Nephmir II wrote:
The Hinterplace wrote:OOC: Since when is The Eternal Order fascist? Did I miss something?

My refusal to provide full devotion to radical leftist ideology and subsequent withdrawal from raider unity forces permanently brands us as "Facist" despite the fact that we have iterated on numerous occasions that we subscribe to no ideology and maintain and fight for in-game causes rather than real world ideologies of any kind.

They do not respect our neutrality and respectful free speech and wished for The EO to suppress anything they arbitrarily decide to be hate speech no matter how respectful the point was argued. I refused, as founder and king of The EO, to subjugate my people to such whims and refused to force support for an ideology of any kind.

We do not raid in the name of Facism, obviously, but that is the only ammunition they have to combat us.

hi. Radical leftist here. There should be no safe place for fascism - regardless of 'in game' objectives - and the fact that most people agree is why your org will never be relevant

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Postby 0cala » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:30 pm

King Nephmir II wrote:-snip-

Don't post here pls, thanks!

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Postby Buhers Mk II » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:32 pm

I was a founding member of the region. Who cares?
I'm not opposed to the idea of Alterante being liberated from these so-called fascist forces, but I also feel like it's a bit trivial to do so. It was never a very important or influential region (at least to my memory), and I don't see why a proposal is being written about it out of all possible regions.

Of course, I have no experience in the WA, so any corrections or responses are more than welcome. Just sharing my thoughts.
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Postby King Nephmir II » Tue Sep 12, 2023 3:56 pm

0cala wrote:
King Nephmir II wrote:-snip-

Don't post here pls, thanks!

This is a proposal directly regarding my region, whether you wish to name it in the proposal or not, and as such is an indirect invitation to dicuss it. You cannot dictate where I post regardless.

Buhers Mk II wrote:I was a founding member of the region. Who cares?
I'm not opposed to the idea of Alterante being liberated from these so-called fascist forces, but I also feel like it's a bit trivial to do so. It was never a very important or influential region (at least to my memory), and I don't see why a proposal is being written about it out of all possible regions.

Of course, I have no experience in the WA, so any corrections or responses are more than welcome. Just sharing my thoughts.

They will liberate it still. "Native support" has always just been for show.

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Postby 0cala » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:03 pm

King Nephmir II wrote:
0cala wrote:Don't post here pls, thanks!

This is a proposal directly regarding my region, whether you wish to name it in the proposal or not, and as such is an indirect invitation to dicuss it. You cannot dictate where I post regardless.

Technically, No. It's not about your region, it may list it, but it's not entirely about it.
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Postby The Commodore » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:23 pm

Seems like you either back up the fascist claim here or don't make it at all.

I have no idea what this eternal thing is, but I do know if a proposal makes a serious claim that may not be true it should not pass. When I search the Gameplay forum for references to this group the most recent significant post I found was a raid report where they were raiding with LWU, and it was from like three months ago. Unlike the eternal thing, I do know who LWU is, and I don't buy they work with fascists. Proposal threads should stand on their own, so I feel like I have gone above and beyond to try to understand the allegation hurled here and I am left with serious doubts about the author. Hopefully there is just a lot that isn't being said which should be, but throwing that label around lightly is very serious.

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Postby 0cala » Tue Sep 12, 2023 4:27 pm

The Commodore wrote:Seems like you either back up the fascist claim here or don't make it at all.

I have no idea what this eternal thing is, but I do know if a proposal makes a serious claim that may not be true it should not pass. When I search the Gameplay forum for references to this group the most recent significant post I found was a raid report where they were raiding with LWU, and it was from like three months ago. Unlike the eternal thing, I do know who LWU is, and I don't buy they work with fascists. Proposal threads should stand on their own, so I feel like I have gone above and beyond to try to understand the allegation hurled here and I am left with serious doubts about the author. Hopefully there is just a lot that isn't being said which should be, but throwing that label around lightly is very serious.

Yes, LWU may have raided this region with TEO, but yet again, Fascists, past or present, do not deserve Trophy regions.

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