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Postby Westinor » Fri Jun 16, 2023 7:21 pm

Hello! I hope you're all doing well today ^-^ this is my first condemn and I'm super glad for it to be one for the fabulous Chingis!! If I've got anything backwards please let me know, Condemns are definitely kinda hard-ish ;-; I'd like to thank all the Lily peeps for being absolutely wonderful to work with! An argument I'd like to address before we get started is that of Is tagging Condemnable/Is this a repeat of the Lily Condemn. To the first, I've made refernences in the proposal to note that 1. Chingis was one of the first to elevate tagging to an incredibly effective level and utilize it in a way that asserted the dominance of their respective orgs and train their peeps, and 2. it's clear that the level of tagging promoted by Chingis' tools has entirely reshaped the landscape of R/D in 9/10 updates. As to the repeat of the Lily Condemn argument, I would note that Chingis is responsible for creating these tools, something a region can not technically collectively do, and Condemn Lily does not explicitly make this argument too - in fact, one could argue that the "Owing" is literally owing to Chingis' work. Please leave any feedback, comments, criticism, etc.!! It would be greatly appreciated :>
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Fearful of those who rend asunder the world with neither malice nor spite, whose tools of destructions facilitate the deaths of thousands in fire and flame, and whose conquests are a testament to the perfection not only of the art of war, but the art of devastation,

Remembering [nation=Chingis]’ origins as a raider beginning in 2015, where they would bring unrestrained destruction to numerous communities before their rampage was stopped by powers above,

Recalling that along with Chingis’ return to the field of battle after their forced hiatus came their unabated lust for the wholesale wipeout of regions, working with Kyorgia to found the formerly Condemned region Canterlot in 2017, whose bullying towards small and growing regions under a disgusting guise of innocence and naivety were largely led by Chingis. At the same time, their engineers would begin to tinker with many dreadful innovations — the first being “Kimchi”, a targeting tool which facilitated the mass-invasion of regions and provided a taste of what was soon to come from the depths of Chingisian ingenuity,

Thunderstruck by the creation of Lily in 2018, founded by Chingis and their Canterlotian comrade Liliarchy, whose arrival to the plains of war would mark the beginnings of a new era for warfare.This was due in no small part to Chingis’ developed technology and raw skill, which pushed the tactical boundaries of combat to new heights and forced incredible operative improvement within defenderdom. The standards, technology, and operational capability of raiders and defenders alike are still shaped by Chingis' pioneering inventions today, including:
  • Koru, which elevated the ability of nations to manage and puppeteer their satellite states to a degree unheard of before — this allowed for the expansion of a single nation’s forces to match what could be mustered only by dozens of nations before, heightening the operational ability of some of the world’s finest to superhuman standards,
  • Buzzy Bee, which pushed the boundaries of crudely targeting innocent and vulnerable regions en-masse to supersonic speeds. This allowed the insanely proficient operatives of Lily to carry out record-breaking and jaw-dropping runs that regularly saw the burning of hundreds of regions in a single mission, and
  • their predecessors Ramen and 4square, some of the most effective mobilization and Regional Officer appointment tools of their time, and Miso, which further developed on Kimchi’s original region-targeting functions,

Lamenting the ruination sown by Chingis’ forces, who led some of the world’s finest operatives into the fray under the banner of Lily in operations whispered of in fear and wonder today, including:
  • Operation Supernova, a series of three attacks by Lily mechas unleashing cosmic starlight upon hundreds of regions in each onslaught. Lily and their allies would successfully blitz through 848 regions across three waves in a nearly unmatched multi-series effort that showcased in dazzling fashion what Lily would come to be,
  • Operation Stargazer, the renowned run of legend which saw eight operatives conquer 576 regions in one blistering swoop, bringing prismatic terror to every corner of this multiverse in a record-breaking display of might, and
  • July 8th, 2022, when 822 regions were raided in a single history-making operation, an exhibition of such awe-inspiring skill that left a scar across the face of Nationstates,

Aghast at Chingis’ nuclear warpath as a Horseman of the Apocalypse, initially joining the faction in 2019, and later helping to develop technology that enabled the superpowered Horsemen to more efficiently rain uranium hellfire and brimstone on their enemies. They would display shell-shocking leadership of the faction in 2020, leading a brutal battering of their rivals in the Potato Alliance — however, Chingis would taste the rare starch of defeat at the hands of the spuds in a historic comeback by the Potato Alliance,

Beleaguered by the tales of the Crabs of the Apocalypse, organized in many large parts by Chingis following the fall of the Horsemen in 2020, which rose into a faction that brought nuclear domination unlike anything ever seen before on this world. Leading the faction alongside Altmoras, Chingis would adapt the Horsemen to the introduction of Intel specialists and facilitated the management of larger satellite nation counts, bringing wanton destruction of unbelievable quantities in the systematic manner characteristic of Chingis’ style of warfare,

Believing that, though countless menaces to this world have risen throughout the eons to threaten this world and the warriors who defend it, few, if any, have matched the raw potency and unperturbed impact of Chingis, whose instruments and tactics to this day continue to imperil the fragile balance of this world,

Hereby Condemns Chingis.
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Postby Tinhampton » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:19 pm

Lily burst onto the scene in the summer of 2017; I distinctly remember my bafflement at it. Beyond that, I can support this.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:25 pm

It is unfortunate that Numero did not continue to pursue his draft, but Chingis is certainly worthy of recognition and it ought to be done.

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Postby Fort Concord » Fri Jun 16, 2023 8:59 pm

At first glance, I'd see if you can expand on the Horsemen clause. I'd also check to ensure minimal overlap/duplication with Condemn Lily. Otherwise, support.

Edit: Also, maybe see if Numero's draft has anything good to incorporate that isn't here. Admittedly haven't looked at it in awhile. I think he said people could use from it, and he put some good work into it. Could always see what's there and credit him as a co-author if he's up for it, he deserves it.
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Postby Minskiev » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:44 pm

For due to his extensive work with mr. Kyorgia
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Postby Westinor » Fri Jun 16, 2023 9:51 pm

Fort Concord wrote:At first glance, I'd see if you can expand on the Horsemen clause. I'd also check to ensure minimal overlap/duplication with Condemn Lily. Otherwise, support.

Edit: Also, maybe see if Numero's draft has anything good to incorporate that isn't here. Admittedly haven't looked at it in awhile. I think he said people could use from it, and he put some good work into it. Could always see what's there and credit him as a co-author if he's up for it, he deserves it.

Wrt Horsemen, this is about how far I can go without either divulging some opsec stuff or breaking the character count - it was lengthier before but there isn't really any need to go in breadth, 2021 was Chingis' biggest role. I'll see if it's possible to expand more narratively if I can make space.

Numero's draft I recall but didn't reference; however it's fairly sparse because it's 2020. There's not much there that isn't in this draft aside from references to some of the smaller endeavors.
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Postby Tiralta » Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:17 pm

A wonderful read, and I love the writing style: "prismatic terror" is such a beautiful phrase.

"The standards, technology, and operational capability of raiders and defenders alike are still shaped by Chingis' pioneering inventions today". I absolutely loved learning about the tools Chingis created that you outlined in this, as well as the way you laid out all the numbers and stats.

I will be beyond elated to vote FOR this one when it's up, West ^.^
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Postby Falafelandia » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:00 am

Full support for a extremely well written raider condemn.

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Postby Honeydewistania » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:06 am

vote for so chi gis can be season 4 legendary and no other reason
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Postby PhilTech » Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:37 am

Honeydewistania wrote:vote for so chi gis can be season 4 legendary and no other reason

Chingis has some shit stats. I'll disagree on the "legendary" part. :p
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Postby Improper Classifications » Sat Jun 17, 2023 7:44 am

Honeydewistania wrote:vote for so chi gis can be season 4 legendary and no other reason

i agree
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Postby The Ice States » Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:18 pm

I believe the role of the nominee in the last Global Trade Fair to be worthy of mention.
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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 pm

While it has been previously ruled legal to mention disgraced organisations such as DEN, I would ask is it appropriate to name check them?

Other than that this looks like another excellent draft Westinor.
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Postby The Ambis » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:12 am

Very well done! Glad to see more condemns!
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Postby Thorn1000 » Sun Jun 18, 2023 1:08 pm

The Ice States wrote:I believe the role of the nominee in the last Global Trade Fair to be worthy of mention.

Its not, Chingis had no role in the 2023 trade fair, seeing as he was ascended at that point, nor was he part of the 2022 Sus Smuggling Co run either to my knowledge
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Postby The Ice States » Sun Jun 18, 2023 3:09 pm

Thorn1000 wrote:
The Ice States wrote:I believe the role of the nominee in the last Global Trade Fair to be worthy of mention.

Its not, Chingis had no role in the 2023 trade fair, seeing as he was ascended at that point, nor was he part of the 2022 Sus Smuggling Co run either to my knowledge

Noted, I was not aware of this.
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Postby Westinor » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:01 pm

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:While it has been previously ruled legal to mention disgraced organisations such as DEN, I would ask is it appropriate to name check them?

Other than that this looks like another excellent draft Westinor.

That's a fair point BBD, it was raised to me before that this is definitely one of the more extensive coverages of participation in DEN in recent years. If I'm understanding what you're saying right, then I'd love it if a mod could see if this is alright. Thanks as always ^-^
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Postby Astrobolt » Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:56 pm

Will be adamantly opposed to any mention or allusion to DEN.
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Postby Refuge Isle » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:39 pm

I think I agree with Astro here, largely on the grounds that DEN players (and DEN itself) have previously had their condemnations removed because of predator, association to predator, and a question of whether predator had any role in achieving their raiding stats for them. Since Chingis was impacted by predator punishments at the time, mentioning it falls into that criterion and should be avoided.

It's not like Chingis needs it to help prop up the condemnation's argument.

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Postby Greater Somoiland » Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:44 pm

Personally, I would love to be condemned. I think it’s pretty cool and it’s fit me well considering I’m from Psychotic Dictatorships
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Postby Sedgistan » Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:53 am

Westinor wrote:
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:While it has been previously ruled legal to mention disgraced organisations such as DEN, I would ask is it appropriate to name check them?

Other than that this looks like another excellent draft Westinor.

That's a fair point BBD, it was raised to me before that this is definitely one of the more extensive coverages of participation in DEN in recent years. If I'm understanding what you're saying right, then I'd love it if a mod could see if this is alright. Thanks as always ^-^

It's not illegal to mention DEN in a Security Council proposal.

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Postby Ostrovskiy » Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:37 am

Full support duh
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Postby One Small Island » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:10 pm

Remembering [nation=Chingis]’ beginnings in thea malefic organization of DEN, where they found a love not for the elaborated destruction of old, cultivated communities but instead learned to push their limits across many battlefields at once. Chingis would act as a driving force behind the organization's tagging forces of DEN, their forces leading the subjugation of nearly 4,000 regions in under a year, while also leading notable operations like:


Will support with the above change, or one like it. The above change leads to a net removal of 11 characters from the draft.

Without a change similar to the one above, no support.

Edit: you could change "a malefic organization" in my above edit to "a certain malefic organization" and achieve a greater level of oratorical flair while still losing characters from the draft.
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Postby Tinhampton » Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:22 pm

DEN is not The Brotherhood of Malice. It is not a currently controversial organisation, there is no DEN to lap up the attention they could get from one line in a proposal about an individual nation by virtue of the fact DEN is de-facto banned from existing and nobody will be opposed to the clause as written in such numbers that it risks defeat. If it turns out that yes, there are many more people who are concerned, I'd suggest removing the references altogether rather than covering them in a veil of Look, Here Is A Raider Organisation Of Such Great Infamy I Cannot Utter Their Likeness.
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Postby Giovanniland » Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:34 pm

For what it's worth, I did mention DEN in Commend Elegarth, but of course in a different context, since Elegarth fought against DEN.

The problem isn't mentioning it though, it's actively recognizing Chingis' important role in that organization. I concur with Luca, the rest of the resolution offers plenty of other arguments for the condemnation, so I think it wouldn't hurt just deleting the DEN clause.
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