[PASSED] Injunct The Communist Bloc

[North Korea Kim]

This proposal is utterly preposterous.

Says this guy.

you guys will be raided soon, raider regions are uniting to overthrow the TSP government, Prime Minister.

Oh shut up you pubescent child

[URA World Assembly Affairs]

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The United Regions Alliance recommends that you vote AGAINST this proposal.

Please check out our Recommendation Dispatch. The reasoning for this recommendation is included below.

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This resolution seeks to prevent the founderless region of The Communist Bloc (TCB) from acquiring a Governor by performing a “Governor-Cycle”, in which a region transitions briefly to frontier and back again. The proposal is brief and argues simply that due to the raiding activities of the People’s Revolutionary Air Force (PRAF), TCB is not deserving of the protection and security that would come with having a governor.
It is worth noting that this resolution is an explicit and unapologetic attempt to remove regional sovereignty from a region, barring them from an essential aspect of the game, for explicitly political reasons. The Alliance is unconvinced that the actions of the independent PRAF are sufficient to warrant an “offensive injunction”, and decrys this attempt to levy the Security Council in order to bring such a drastic punishment against a region simply for being unaligned with certain regions in political matters. The Alliance further dislikes the precedent it is setting, allowing influential WA regions the right to wield Injunctions as a weapon to threaten regions. We view this use of the SC and its resolutions as improper and unacceptable.

TCB is a proud, independent region, and like all regions, deserves the right to decide its own fate in the Frontier’s era. This resolution seeks to override the will of TCB’s citizenry in that regard, and we therefore STRONGLY urge a vote AGAINST this resolution.

[Reploid Productions]

Oh shut up you pubescent child

Users with two prior nation deletions perhaps should not be playing with flamethrowers and should instead spend some time reviewing the site rules.

*** North Korea Kim, WARNED for flaming. ***

[La Xinga]

"It is worth noting that this resolution is an explicit and unapologetic attempt to remove regional sovereignty from a region...TCB is a proud, independent region...This resolution seeks to override the will of TCB’s citizenry....."

You keep on mentioning TCB's regional sovereignty and the rights of its citizens, yet you overlook the uncountable times that TCB blatantly ignored regional sovereignty by, excuse me for sounding repetitious, by RAIDING REGIONS!

[The State of Entrus]

Good.

Seems like a very Out-Of-Character reaction to something that is supposed to be In-Character.

I’m sure natives who are raided by these selfish regions are also pretty irritated with the whole situation.

[Mechanocracy]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

The Hammer and Sickle have encountered the handle of the rake that they stepped on, and are baffled as to why it's rapidly approaching their face

[North Korea Kim]

Oh shut up you pubescent child

Users with two prior nation deletions perhaps should not be playing with flamethrowers and should instead spend some time reviewing the site rules.

*** North Korea Kim, WARNED for flaming. ***

Oh does it look like I care

[New Master]

Users with two prior nation deletions perhaps should not be playing with flamethrowers and should instead spend some time reviewing the site rules.

*** North Korea Kim, WARNED for flaming. ***

Oh does it look like I care

You can be an anarchist but follow rules man.

[LFPD Soveriegn]

Oh does it look like I care

You can be an anarchist but follow rules man.

Oh, hello there.

[Reploid Productions]

Alright guys, let's get back on the topic of the proposal at vote instead of an unrelated conversation about the dude who got smacked.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? Anyone? Anyone?

One tangible difference would be that Europeia has a strict no griefing policy when it does raid.

Europeia also does not actively antagonize other Independent regions.

So that'll be a "no" then.

[Jar Wattinree]

I'd love it if someone could coherently explain the difference between the "independentism-friendly" raiding that Europeia engages in

One tangible difference would be that Europeia has a strict no griefing policy when it does raid.

vs. the "independentism-hostile" raiding that TCB allegedly does. In both cases, y'all allied with raider regions to impose your will on unsuspecting regions who were minding their own business. Whence the obnoxious high horse, then?

Europeia also does not actively antagonize other Independent regions.

So that'll be a "no" then.

Only if you didn't read his post.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

I'd love it if someone could coherently explain the difference between the "independentism-friendly" raiding that Europeia engages in

One tangible difference would be that Europeia has a strict no griefing policy when it does raid.

vs. the "independentism-hostile" raiding that TCB allegedly does. In both cases, y'all allied with raider regions to impose your will on unsuspecting regions who were minding their own business. Whence the obnoxious high horse, then?

Europeia also does not actively antagonize other Independent regions.

So that'll be a "no" then.

Only if you didn't read his post.

"We're a kinder, gentler sort of raider - when we come in and swing our dicks around, we're nice about it, so the difference between us and them is night and day!!!" is precisely the kind of twaddle I opened by rejecting. Perhaps you should do some reading yourself.

[Jar Wattinree]

Perhaps you should do some reading yourself.

So, the only Independents that exists are people lying to themselves and are actually Raiders. Excellent circular reasoning.

[Lyrical International Brigade]

Perhaps you should do some reading yourself.

So, the only Independents that exists are people lying to themselves and are actually Raiders. Excellent circular reasoning.

Not sure how that's "circular." I do admit to not seeing where the authors get their lofty moral high ground from. The difference of degree offered is not the difference of kind that would be necessary to justify it. Perhaps I should have simply stated this instead of using passive-aggressive rhetorical questioning.

[Jar Wattinree]

Perhaps I should have simply stated this instead of using passive-aggressive rhetorical questioning.

That works, I suppose.

[Isaris]

Evidently TCB's concern for regional sovereignty ends when you don't bow to their interests in this body. Their attempt to quorum raid several regions to stop this Injunction coming to vote showed that their words are hollow. They've made no friends with these actions and hurt their case even more in the court of public opinion. If they had continued to protest this resolution peacefully, perhaps they could've won support for a future repeal, but now? As they say in France, le big oof.

[Quebecshire]

Evidently TCB's concern for regional sovereignty ends when you don't bow to their interests in this body. Their attempt to quorum raid several regions to stop this Injunction coming to vote showed that their words are hollow. They've made no friends with these actions and hurt their case even more in the court of public opinion. If they had continued to protest this resolution peacefully, perhaps they could've won support for a future repeal, but now? As they say in France, le big oof.

Precisely. Happy to have defended Equilism, by the way. o7 Not that they had much of a chance with how incompetently they handled that jump.

Thinking about what you're saying here regarding their behavior... So earlier in the thread I outlined just how many bridges they burned. It's interesting to see them reminding everyone just why that happened, their belligerent and aggresive behavior. Always fun to have proposals vindicated so clearly during the voting process.

[Youtube Inc]

it worries me ever so slightly that Injunctions may become a bargaining tool for some defenders, to pressure raiders into submission, however, it seems only 3 are to be passed in the short-term, so i won't argue, but i think everyone should be warry of injunctions and how they can be used, I'm by no means on the side of the griefers but certain measures should only be for the mod's not us petty and often impartial players.

saying that
I'll be voting For

[Haganham]

it worries me ever so slightly that Injunctions may become a bargaining tool for some defenders, to pressure raiders into submission, however, it seems only 3 are to be passed in the short-term, so i won't argue, but i think everyone should be warry of injunctions and how they can be used, I'm by no means on the side of the griefers but certain measures should only be for the mod's not us petty and often impartial players.

saying that
I'll be voting For

Spreading interregional peace and goodwill, via force if necessary.
Sanctioning regions which flout international norms is wholly in character for a body like this.

[Urkennalaid]

As a leftist nation, I am sad to say I am in full Support of this. But this decisions shouldn't be based in anti-communism, it should be a larger discussion on raiding and invading other regions. Don't let your personal views on leftism or communism, either way, be the reason you vote For or Against this decision. It should be about the responsibility a Region has to its nations and to the larger outside groups.

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

As a leftist nation, I am sad to say I am in full Support of this. But this decisions shouldn't be based in anti-communism, it should be a larger discussion on raiding and invading other regions. Don't let your personal views on leftism or communism, either way, be the reason you vote For or Against this decision. It should be about the responsibility a Region has to its nations and to the larger outside groups.

I’m going to respectfully disagree, at least in part. But not for the reason you think, perhaps. Part of the reason I find TCB particularly detestable is because they besmirch the leftist name with their flagrant double standards on sovereignty, crowing about the importance of their own while indiscriminately trampling others’ for fun. I firmly believe raiding non-fascist and non-raider regions is incompatible with the leftist cause.

That said, I would support any resolution that undermined the security of a raider region, because raiding is bad.

[Galactic Powers]

As a leftist nation, I am sad to say I am in full Support of this. But this decisions shouldn't be based in anti-communism, it should be a larger discussion on raiding and invading other regions. Don't let your personal views on leftism or communism, either way, be the reason you vote For or Against this decision. It should be about the responsibility a Region has to its nations and to the larger outside groups.

Just because a few anti-communists (eg me, somewhat) see this resolution as that kind of thing doesn't make it the purpose or the reason...its leftist bent isn't mentioned once in the proposal outside of its pretty obvious name.

[Balkinour]

The ravaging of native land is what sets me off from being against. All natives deserve the right to safety and clearly the communist bloc has taken that and for that reason I vote to injunct.

[United Calanworie]

Common red imperialist L

This injunction isn't actually gonna do anything except make a select amount of TCBers slightly irritated.

Good.

I wish some of those in support of the proposal had something more productive to say...

Crybullies are getting what they deserve. Do I need to say anything else?

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