[PASSED] Injunct The Communist Bloc

[St Lyaos]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

[El Lazaro]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

TCB copium working overtime fr

[Kingdom Of faizan]

Support

[Raskana]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

TCB copium working overtime fr

I am pretty sure we will see a whataboutism or a a few members pretending to be the victim any minute now.

Whilst they plan more raids on anything that might threaten their ideology.

Support.

[GoToL]

Hello! As a Republic country, I’m against the injunction of the communist bloc

[Sergent]

Yep, supporting

[Lenlyvit]

Up until now I have stayed out of this conversation, content to read along and see what happens. However, yesterday I was informed by members of my region that nations in 10000 Islands are being selectively targeted by recruitment telegrams. The only reasoning for this I can think of is due to our vote on the Injunction.

I'll be clear, this recruitment within our region is unwanted. You will not be able to poach our long time members, and even attempting to do so is not a great idea. I would encourage other regions voting for this legislation to chech your regions for recruitment telegrams from Manndown, , MoFA of TCB. Any further legislation concerning TCB will either be voted for by XKI of it's detrimental to the status of TCB, or voted against if it's helpful to TCBs nations/regions. That includes Commendations/Condemnations.

Lenlyvit,
WA Delegate of XKI

[Armeattla]

If one wanted to properly sabotage the bloc they would have raised an Injuction during the second phase of the transition: keeping us from transitioning from a Frontier to a Stronghold - undermining our operations by having us deal with the constant nuisance of improperly behaving newbies as well as keeping us open for (admittedly improbable) raids and sabotage.

Ah, yes, how terrible it would be for you with your... seven hundred delegate endorsements and new unlimited source of new nations?

Question is: how much would that actually be of use? A lot of people would either instantly bail seeing they have spawned in a Communist/Leftist Region or would start to whine in the RMB and require ejecting.
How many would be left in the end? And how many of those would join the military?

[Sacred Butterfinger]

This injunction isn't actually gonna do anything except make a select amount of TCBers slightly irritated. It won't make TCB less secure, it won't do jack shit against the community. It's a strange attempt at making TCB pay for something by grudge holding folk. It will, however, give TCB a nice and shiny badge so that's something I suppose.

[Cappedore]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

TCB copium working overtime fr

I wish some of those in support of the proposal had something more productive to say...

[Filonian State]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

+1

[Parti Ouvrier]

I cannot speak for other regions, only my own. I don't really think your comparison is accurate, but regardless.

As time went on TCB became increasingly aggressive, both in griefing innocent regions and their anti-defender rhetoric. Once again, things which greatly concerned us. TCB was extremely dismissive about our concerns regarding their dubious criteria for destructive operations. After TCB made it clear to us, and later Altys (sent on behalf of us and the other regions involved last April), that our concerns were not going to be heard whatsoever, we didn't play games. We didn't threaten or whatever. We notified them of our intent to repeal the July 8 Accords - which the Council of the Republic approved unanimously. TCB did nothing but escalate and make it clear they were not interested in compromise-based diplomacy.

As I said, I only speak for The League & Concord. But I doubt others' experiences with TCB were much different.

[EDIT: As for how I find this damaging to both sides, here it is:

The regions you punish for being crude and cruel dig in with each political consequence. Once you have exhausted all political consequence and they still do not relent, you target the weak links that associate with them. Whether they respond crudely to this targeting or are crude from the start, that weak link begins to dig in with each political consequence. Once you have exhausted all political consequence and they still do not relent, you target the weak links that associate with them. This process repeats until eventually one [or both] of the factions deeply embarrass themselves. Then, when gameplay normalizes, we do not entirely toss out the behaviors that send us into this spiral in the first place. We continue to go in the exact same co-dependent behavioral loop, but begin with the most predictable targets imaginable.

Tonight, with this resolution in the voting stage, we are at the reincarnation point. As we repeat this process again, I implore that we try breaking the cycle. At the very least, it will make the Frontiers and Strongholds era of NationStates a lot more interesting than all eras before it.]

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Interesting analysis. Just a tiny point, I don't think its a case of political consequences, more a case of a consequence both sides act apolitically. This is more tragic for TCB in my opinion.
Just look at a recent RMB post between two of the posters.

'From what I can gather:
A) Having raided a bunch of regions and hence having pissed off a lot of people.
B) Being lefter than Joe Biden.'
And in response,

'that's true, yeah. point A. is that we had the Audacity to raid to advance leftist interests on nationstates...' '... and point B. is that people don't like leftists lmao...'

Leaving aside the delusion that their raids advance leftist interests, the points you made are reflected in their RMB posts - about the us vs them mentality.
Also, in my experience TCB use insulting behaviour, their own rules don't seem to apply to the leaders apparently and deserve no respect 'it is not ok to insult them' part 3 on No sectarianism, 'The Most Important Rules'. I got called a 'dumbass' for what amounts to rustiness on using the quote button to the correct RMB poster.
Had they taken their other rule seriously 'Also note that your intent matters--small or accidental rulebreaking will be gently corrected, and there will be no serious punishment if you do your best to learn and correct the error.., I might have fared better, but they don't do through debate or discussion for clarity over there, hence my point still stands, those who oppress other regions, cannot themselves be free.

[Lowell Leber]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

This sums up exactly why this should be voted down. Raiding is not a crime,.nor is it some type of sin.

[Galactic Powers]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

What, so raiders can deprive communities of the right to game features (literally being able to run a region) but defenders can’t in retaliation?

[Parti Ouvrier]

Up until now I have stayed out of this conversation, content to read along and see what happens. However, yesterday I was informed by members of my region that nations in 10000 Islands are being selectively targeted by recruitment telegrams. The only reasoning for this I can think of is due to our vote on the Injunction.

I'll be clear, this recruitment within our region is unwanted. You will not be able to poach our long time members, and even attempting to do so is not a great idea. I would encourage other regions voting for this legislation to chech your regions for recruitment telegrams from Manndown, , MoFA of TCB. Any further legislation concerning TCB will either be voted for by XKI of it's detrimental to the status of TCB, or voted against if it's helpful to TCBs nations/regions. That includes Commendations/Condemnations.

Lenlyvit,
WA Delegate of XKI

That's not something that concerns me, they don't welcome a questioning, free thinking, critical attitude over a TCB in my experience, it's unlikely I'll get such Telegrams anyway. I could give you some tips to deter these recruitment TGs.

[Omnicontrol]

I like TCB but these asshats approval raided my region so support.

[El Lazaro]

This injunction isn't actually gonna do anything except make a select amount of TCBers slightly irritated.

Good.

TCB copium working overtime fr

I wish some of those in support of the proposal had something more productive to say...

Crybullies are getting what they deserve. Do I need to say anything else?

[Devious]

Up until now I have stayed out of this conversation, content to read along and see what happens. However, yesterday I was informed by members of my region that nations in 10000 Islands are being selectively targeted by recruitment telegrams. The only reasoning for this I can think of is due to our vote on the Injunction.

I'll be clear, this recruitment within our region is unwanted. You will not be able to poach our long time members, and even attempting to do so is not a great idea. I would encourage other regions voting for this legislation to chech your regions for recruitment telegrams from Manndown, , MoFA of TCB. Any further legislation concerning TCB will either be voted for by XKI of it's detrimental to the status of TCB, or voted against if it's helpful to TCBs nations/regions. That includes Commendations/Condemnations.

Lenlyvit,
WA Delegate of XKI

i'm sure this recruitment will have little effect, given xki's recent display of a refusal to read on the international stage
thanks for the reminder to add y'all to my api filters though

[Hulldom]

Up until now I have stayed out of this conversation, content to read along and see what happens. However, yesterday I was informed by members of my region that nations in 10000 Islands are being selectively targeted by recruitment telegrams. The only reasoning for this I can think of is due to our vote on the Injunction.

I'll be clear, this recruitment within our region is unwanted. You will not be able to poach our long time members, and even attempting to do so is not a great idea. I would encourage other regions voting for this legislation to chech your regions for recruitment telegrams from Manndown, , MoFA of TCB. Any further legislation concerning TCB will either be voted for by XKI of it's detrimental to the status of TCB, or voted against if it's helpful to TCBs nations/regions. That includes Commendations/Condemnations.

Lenlyvit,
WA Delegate of XKI

i'm sure this recruitment will have little effect, given xki's recent display of a refusal to read on the international stage
thanks for the reminder to add y'all to my api filters though

Not chiming in on Boston Castle (which got the TG in The League), but I don't think it's just a filters problem if multiple regions get hit that aren't GCRs+frontiers or tagged recruiter friendly. That's deliberate.

Edits: grammar plus thinking.

[North Korea Kim]

This proposal is utterly preposterous.

[Jar Wattinree]

This proposal is utterly preposterous.

Says this guy.

you guys will be raided soon, raider regions are uniting to overthrow the TSP government, Prime Minister.

[New Master]

"Now that's perfect. Thank Primus those human commies will face a boot in their face. Don't bother me."
-Playback, Ambassador

[La Xinga]

Gameplay: Exists
TCB: Plays game
SC: We decree that for TCB's crimes of Playing Game, they will not be allowed to Play New Features of Game

Great work everyone.

The SC always punishes players & regions for "playing the game". Should liberations not exist anymore, for raiders are just "playing the game"?

[Sacred Butterfinger]

This injunction isn't actually gonna do anything except make a select amount of TCBers slightly irritated.

Good.

Seems like a very Out-Of-Character reaction to something that is supposed to be In-Character.

[Ultrackia]

This resolution is nothing but pure fascism and vile reaction