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[DEFEATED] Declaration In Regard To Hippopotami

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:57 pm
by Jutsa
Declaration In Regard To Hippopotami
Category: Declaration | Type: Declare


The World Assembly,

Aware that the sizes of animal species do not differ considerably from each other in terms of the universal scale,

Also aware that the size of an animal in reality can be quite different depending on an individual's perception,

And believing that some nations' governments might be rendered senselessly flabbergasted by the assertion of certain species' sizes by an international legislative body despite said governments already having legislation regarding said species regardless of whether they reside in said nations' territories,

Hereby,
1. Reminds this organization's member-states that although Security Council Resolution #361, also called the "Declaration On Hippopotamuses", exists at the time of this resolution's passing, there is still room for more extant WA legislation regarding hippopotamuses (herein also referred to as "hippos" or "hippopotami");

2. Affirms that no true hippo is larger than life, especially that of the Pygmy Hippopotamus, and in fact is quite small in comparison to most things in life, such as mountains, planets, the universe, most battleships, or political egos;

3. Notes that hippos may be very friendly, particularly when they are young, a point in which they are consequently small even by most individuals' standards;

4. Informs all of this organization's member nations that, with a known minimum length of less than 5 feet, and a minimum weight of under 440.0 pounds, Hippos are not necessarily very large.


Declaration Against Declaration On Hippopotamuses
Category: Declaration | Type: Declare



The World Assembly,

Aware that the sizes of animal species do not differ considerably from each other in terms of the universal scale,

Also aware that the size of an animal in reality can be quite different depending on an individual's perception,

And believing that some nations' governments might be rendered senselessly flabbergasted by the assertion of certain species' sizes by an international legislative body despite said governments already having legislation regarding said species regardless of whether they reside in said nations' territories,

Hereby,
1. Reminds this organization's member-states that although Security Council Resolution #361, also called the "Declaration On Hippopotamuses", exists at the time of this resolution's passing, that fact in of itself does not inherently mean that hippopotamuses are very big;

2. Affirms that no true hippo is larger than life, especially that of the Pygmy Hippopotamus, and in fact is quite small in comparison to most things in life, such as mountains, planets, the universe, battleships, or political egos;

3. Notes that hippos may be very friendly, particularly when they are young, a point in which they are consequently small even by most individuals' standards;

4. Informs all of this organization's member nations that, with a known minimum length of less than 5 feet, and a minimum weight of under 440.0 pounds, Hippos are not necessarily very large.


Declaration Against Declaration On Hippopotamuses
Category: Declaration | Type: Declare



The World Assembly,

Aware that a resolution exists, at the time of this resolution's passing, that declares hippopotamuses are really very large,

Also aware that the size of an animal in reality can be quite different depending on an individual's perception,

And believing that some nations' governments might be rendered senselessly flabbergasted by the assertion of certain species' sizes by an international legislative body despite said governments already having legislation regarding said species regardless of whether they reside in said nations' territories,

Hereby,
1. Reminds this organization's member-states that although Security Council Resolution #361, also called the "Declaration On Hippopotamuses", exists at the time of this resolution's passing, that fact in of itself does not inherently mean that hippopotamuses are very big;

2. Affirms that no true hippo is larger than life, and in fact is quite small in comparison to most things in life, such as mountains, planets, the universe, battleships, or political egos;

3. Notes that hippos may be very friendly, particularly when they are young, a point in which they are consequently small even by most individuals' standards;

4. Informs all of this organization's member states that they should, in fact, completely disregard SC#361: Declaration on Hippopotamuses in order to avoid any legal confusion.


I only wrote this to see what happens. I couldn't find anything that technically makes this illegal (though I may be proven wrong),
and in theory this won't even cause complications if #361 miraculously were to get repealed on day. Feel free to roast this as hard as you can in the meantime.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:03 pm
by The Python
This is hippo-critical.
Image

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:06 pm
by Jutsa
Hippo-thetically that could have been photoshopped.

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:32 pm
by Refuge Isle
Jutsa wrote:if #621 miraculously were to get repealed on day.


God how long was that nap

PostPosted: Sun Aug 29, 2021 5:45 pm
by Jutsa
What are you talking about? It clearly says 361 and not 621. The fact that I am notorious for horrifically misremembering numbers immediately after hearing and seeing them does not inherently mean that the listed resolution number was ever that large. I also declare that you should ignore any possible signs that the post was edited since your comment.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:59 am
by Haganham
This is just my kind of dumb

PostPosted: Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:58 am
by ShrewLlamaLand
I fully support dumb proposals abusing the dumb new SC category.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 8:11 am
by Jutsa
According to https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=24&t=5182&p=38948156#p38948156 this is still technically legal... I think. :P

Really interested to see if this might actually somehow pass.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 9:44 am
by Outer Sparta
What's next? A Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration On Hippopotamuses?

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 12:13 pm
by Bears Armed
Outer Sparta wrote:What's next? A Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration On Hippopotamuses?

If necessary.
*<gets out drafting pad>*

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:09 pm
by Aivintis
Bears Armed, I swear if you even think about it I will draft a Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration Against Hippopotamuses.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 6:55 pm
by Jutsa
Aivintis wrote:Bears Armed, I swear if you even think about it I will draft a Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration Against Declaration Against Hippopotamuses.


Full support.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2021 7:06 pm
by Scalizagasti
I completely support this declaration against SCR#361. The Declaration on Hippopotamuses critically ignored the existence of House Hippos, a truly unforgivable mistake which must be reversed posthaste. I eagerly await the submission of this proposal.

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 5:58 am
by Jutsa
Any other thoughts, or is this safe to submit some time this year? :P

PostPosted: Sat Jan 22, 2022 10:27 am
by Crazy girl
This should be a repeal.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:43 am
by Jutsa
I know. :)

to elaborate further though while I would definitely go through with this as a repeal I'd certainly be interested to see if I can get away with this as declarations are pretty stretchy atm. Would this be towing the line rule-wise or is there technically nothing that can be done to stop me from submitting this as-is?

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 3:51 am
by Sedgistan
"Hereby [...] Informs all of this organization's member states that they should, in fact, completely disregard SC#361: Declaration on Hippopotamuses in order to avoid any legal confusion." violates Rule 1e - it's trying to do more than a Declaration can do, as it is equivalent in effect to a repeal of that resolution.

PostPosted: Sun Jan 23, 2022 5:18 am
by Jutsa
What about encourages instead of informs? :P

(alternatively just remove that line and instead just say "hereby informs member states that hippopotamuses are, in fact, not very big.")

Edit: actually straight-up did that. Though again I'm more than willing to concede defeat and make this a genuine repeal if this is still a problem. :)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 06, 2022 3:16 pm
by Jutsa
Oh jeez it's been two weeks already s-s time goes by when you're not having fun too I guess

Is this still illegal (if so, curious how) or should I go ahead and press the big fun doom lever and see what happens? :)

If provided a logical counterargument, I will proceed to repealify this xD

PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:23 pm
by Jutsa
OOC: So, Idk if anyone noticed this, but I had finally gotten around to submitting this proposal.

I could not have picked a literally worse time xD

Par request, I have retracted it from the Security Council. In addition, to help qualm the effects of campaign fatigue, this draft shall be under suspension for a minimum of two weeks (and knowing me, forgetting and not submitting until much longer).

Being unfamiliar with the SC, is it plausible to submit the same proposal again after having retracted it, or is that a now illegal move? Because if so that would be the single most amusing way of narrowly avoiding a potential existential crisis I had the honor of seeing. :) (hoping it's not though xd)

PostPosted: Sun Feb 13, 2022 7:30 pm
by Tinhampton
Jutsa wrote:is it plausible to submit the same proposal again after having retracted it, or is that a now illegal move?

Yes. I submitted Commend Alasdair I Frosticus on five occasions over the course of twelve months before it reached quorum - although the first four times, it missed quorum naturally rather than as a result of whatever the fuck was going on with Arr Dee.

I will happily reapprove this proposal even if it's 2057 and I've been given five days to live and I know I won't get to see the damn thing get to vote. I'm a top-50 delegate and one of the most experienced resolution authors of all time and you can trust me when I say that I'd love to see the Security Council pass a sarcastic clapback about another resolution because that has literally never happened before in the history of ever - so much so that if you went back in time to 2017 after Commend TNP failed and told me I'd never write a WA resolution but in exchange Jutsa would submit this and have it guaranteed to pass at the first available opportunity I would most certainly say FUCK YEAH.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:14 pm
by Bears Armed
I see that this has been resubmitted.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:18 pm
by Fachumonn
In the absence of the proposing delegations post, the link to the proposal can be found here.

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:51 pm
by Honeydewistania
It is illegal to list nations that have not contributed to the text of the proposal (e.g. coauthors that are actually your puppets)

PostPosted: Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:56 pm
by Fachumonn
Honeydewistania wrote:It is illegal to list nations that have not contributed to the text of the proposal (e.g. coauthors that are actually your puppets)

I would disagree. The puppets have contributed to the text of the proposal, because they are controlled by the player who made the proposal.
But yeah me being "well actually" aside, was prob. a joke by Jutsa.