[DEFEATED] Declaration In Regard To Hippopotami

[Refuge Isle]

Decisions were made

[Honeydewistania]

It is illegal to list nations that have not contributed to the text of the proposal (e.g. coauthors that are actually your puppets)

I would disagree. The puppets have contributed to the text of the proposal, because they are controlled by the player who made the proposal.
But yeah me being "well actually" aside, was prob. a joke by Jutsa.

There is precedent to such proposals being declared illegal for such actions (see Commend Auralia by United Massachusetts)

[Fachumonn]

I would disagree. The puppets have contributed to the text of the proposal, because they are controlled by the player who made the proposal.
But yeah me being "well actually" aside, was prob. a joke by Jutsa.

There is precedent to such proposals being declared illegal for such actions (see Commend Auralia by United Massachusetts)

Jutsa withdraw and resubmit if you don't want to get an SC warning.

[Sedgistan]

I would disagree. The puppets have contributed to the text of the proposal, because they are controlled by the player who made the proposal.
But yeah me being "well actually" aside, was prob. a joke by Jutsa.

There is precedent to such proposals being declared illegal for such actions (see Commend Auralia by United Massachusetts)

The current rules were written in late 2020; that ruling comes from 2 years before and did not make it into the new ruleset.

However, a report has been received on this matter and we've felt that it's worth discussing our policy internally. There isn't a consensus yet between the team. I would suggest that players who have an opinion on whether there should be rules on which nations can be cited as co-authors should express them in the SC rules discussion thread.

[Fachumonn]

"With Legality Questions out of the way, a Fachu ambassador humbly announces their approval of the declaration".

[The Wallenburgian World Assembly Offices]

"The resolution now at vote is logically incompatible with extant Security Council legislation. My office will not lend its support to measures that render this chamber's positions nonsensical. This should have been a repeal."

[Vietstalia]

We find the river-fat resolution to be irrelevant to we-we.

OPPOSED

[Jutsa]

I'm so happy this is technically legal atm.

"The resolution now at vote is logically incompatible with extant Security Council legislation. My office will not lend its support to measures that render this chamber's positions nonsensical. This should have been a repeal."

"I would argue that the chamber's position is already nonsensical! This resolution is here to fix that with a more completed picture that is also more fair to bears, all without adding to the horrible monster that is the Repeals-to-Legislation Ratio."

Jutsa withdraw and resubmit if you don't want to get an SC warning.

"The Grand Council of Jutsa has clearly stated that it does not care. Thank you for your approval."

^ Seriously though I'm perfectly fine with getting an SC warning and having all SC badges destroyed. The fact that this made it legally to vote already feels like a win; but why not go the extra mile and seal the deal? Just picture it: abusing the legal system's loopholes to the fullest to obtain a desired political agenda. What could be more Nationstates and a mockery of irl politics than that?

[PokemonGirl]

I'm just reacting like Breaking Bad "Jesse, wtf are you talking about?" lol

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Good to see this getting stomped. Cheats will not prosper.

[Jutsa]

But you don't understand! The whole point of having more coauthorships is to solidify the narrative that political egos are, in fact, larger than hippopotamuseses.

[WayNeacTia]

But you don't understand! The whole point of having more coauthorships is to solidify the narrative that political egos are, in fact, larger than hippopotamuseses.

Two wrongs don’t make a right. Just because the mods don’t want to do anything about this blatant cheating, doesn’t mean the players won’t. It doesn’t matter how you try to spin this, nothing is going to save this. Given the fact that you proceeded with this, it is likely any further attempts at Security Council legislation on your part are very likely to be met with similar results……

[Jutsa]

I wonder what the logical extreme of that could entail... Bah, who am I kidding? I have the stamina of a dying marshmallow.

Besides, I wouldn't have even tried drafting this if I had any faith that I'd ever get around to trying to publish something useful - ever. I've already done my part in highlighting amusing legal loopholes for my own entertainment and to bring legal discussion between staff and WA members in the most existentially obnoxious way possible.

Doesn't mean I can't still try to spin this in a way that makes this look like a genuine proposal that is somehow not meant to be at the Security Council's expense! - Because it isn't! It's definitely 100% legitimate in every regard, and its failing is an obvious sign of political oppression and corruption from the anti-hippo elite! Now only hippos who WANT to appear really large will join your cool kids club, and this will come at great cost to them and their race, as well as the rest of us, in the form of discriminatory legal disinformation and a distorted perception of reality. Can you imagine how many hippos will acquire an inflated political ego because of this? Just think of all of the hippos who have to choose between being ashamed of their bodies and personal weight and being excluded from having a voice on the world stage! A repeal would never suffice, because there would be no hippo doctrine that specifically welcomes hippos of all sizes. There will only forever be the residue of an old, prejudice, body-shaming, anti-hippo propaganda resolution and it's lame "repeal", which hardly counts as a resolution on its own and would not remotely be sufficient repayment for the pain and suffering we have induced on our hippopotamus friends.

Also, Jutotechtonia would like to express its major and legitimate concern for your complete dismissal of its contributions and its feelings. What has poor Jutotechtonia ever done to you? It has only helped to perfect this draft to the pinnacle of its prime, ultimate form, and should be recognized for its contributions - just like Jutomi and Xemt. Well, OK, maybe not Xemt - all it ever did was sit around judging the work Jutsa put in. I admit, it did technically write something that was later removed, so I still added the account to the list of coauthors regardless. Anyway, you get my point - excluding perfectly valid authors just because they didn't do very much and happen to be the same person is prejudice against those nations as well as that person's decisions of creative expression, identity, and right to be who they identify as - which is ALSO a form of oppressive and corrupt prejudice, just like the hipposhaming! First restricting a hippo's size, now restricting the size of an individual's number of accounts being credited for their contributions? Violet save me. Honestly, if the Security Council had any shred of dignity, it would at the very least have offered me a fruit basket upon dropping by for the first time. I should've known by then it was a bad sign. But no, I had to be naive and continue putting faith in the fact that Everything Would Be OK. Well thanks for proving me and the entirety of the Community of Sliced Oranges wrong! I hope you're happy with yourself.

Anyhow yeah I thank you for your input anyway. If you want any tea and small sandwiches with the crusts cut off, please invite me so I could have some too.
Much love xoxoxoxoxoxox, Yumen Ukoınaí. This message will now self-destruct.

[Underwater Sovereignties]

The Attonesian Delegation has decided that this declaration is a complete waste of our time. We believe that the security council should not be used for such frivolous topics, and we will therefore vote against this.

[Anozia]

Err...did the mods accidentally release an april fool joke declaration far too late?

[Respublica Hyliana]

clearly it is a bill to regulate the size of a hippopotamus?

[Santa Byzantina]

3. Notes that hippos may be very friendly

It is very difficult to agree with this postulation, given that the hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius) is known to be one the deadliest mammals in the world for human beings. Therefore, one has to conclude that, unfortunately, the resolution is misleading due to the omittance of critical information regarding the likely - or at least frequent - behaviour of hippos in case of a confrontation with humans and / or other vertebrates.

[Car Men]

what is even the point of this vote? I feel this is incredibly useless, and this space could've been used for something useful. I just don't understand the point.

[Jutsa]

clearly it is a bill to regulate the size of a hippopotamus?

Ah! But it's a bill to deregulate the size of hippopotamuses!

It is very difficult to agree with this postulation, given that the hippopotamus (Hippopotamus amphibius) is known to be one the deadliest mammals in the world for human beings. Therefore, one has to conclude that, unfortunately, the resolution is misleading due to the omittance of critical information regarding the likely - or at least frequent - behaviour of hippos in case of a confrontation with humans and / or other vertebrates.

Specist. Just because they're on average deadliest to hoomans on earth does not mean that they all are. That is nothing short of fearmongering and blatant specist stereoptyping. Not to mention other beings that may call themselves "hippopotamuses", which may, in fact, be a very sophisticated race of midgets. I'm very disappointed in you, good madam or sir!

The Attonesian Delegation has decided that this declaration is a complete waste of out time. We believe that the security council should not be used for such frivolous topics, and we will therefore vote against this.

Err...did the mods accidentally release an april fool joke declaration far too late?

what is even the point of this vote? I feel this is incredibly useless, and this space could've been used for something useful. I just don't understand the point.

1) Literally nothing else useful had been proposed at the time, nor has been proposed since. This in and of itself makes this an invalid argument.

2) I'll have you know this is of the upmost importance! Much like that fiendish Resolution #361. Very important legislation. Evil. Dastardly. Discriminatory against hippopotamuses. But that nonetheless made it incredibly important, and it passed! Why that one did and this hasn't is anyone's game.

[Cathamye]

Can you give an example of a hippo being friendly to people? That's my only real hang up with this. I am assuming that we are talking about hippos as in the large terrestrial animal Hippopotamus amphibius and not any other being that may use that same name but is not that animal.

[Jutsa]

That is a faulty assumption to make! But also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR2DDOa8mrI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSM866wIyp4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DvdfMYWmhSs

I rest my case.

Yes I did just look up "friendly hippo" on youtube. I am very glad I did.

[Santa Byzantina]

Not to mention other beings that may call themselves "hippopotamuses", which may, in fact, be a very sophisticated race of midgets.

Perhaps those midgets are hiding somewhere in the caves of Maxtopia? After all, our nation has just received official confirmation that "a recent mass shooting in Maxtopia was an act of terror by a Lilliputian Ultra-Violetist who entered Maxtopia by claiming refugee status from the ongoing Lilliputian Civil War".

However, the highly qualified anthropologists of our nation haven't received any information whatsoever about the possible existence of such a remarkable species of midgets. There might exist, naturally, some mentally-challenged individuals who could identify themselves as hippopotami, but that phenomenon would already fall under the jurisdiction of the healthcare authorities.

Furthermore, the exact identity of the life forms under question should be explicitly specified within the resolution, in order to determine who or what exactly would fall under its expected jurisdiction.

Nevertheless, despite all that being said, our pious, free, and environmentally-stunning Holy Empire of Santa Byzantina still recognizes your nation's ironic and, arguably, highly allegorical initiative as a tenable response to the aforementioned Security Council resolution #361.

[Jutsa]

Furthermore, the exact identity of the life forms under question should be explicitly specified within the resolution, in order to determine who or what exactly would fall under its expected jurisdiction.

You're absolutely right it should! However, because a resolution already exists that does not define hippopotamuses in further detail, it was deemed necessary that this proposal simply can not have a finer level of detail, lest hippos of one kind or another would be left out - and worse yet, still body-shamed by broader legislation. And we don't want to appear exclusionary, now, do we?

Nevertheless, despite all that being said, our pious, free, and environmentally-stunning Holy Empire of Santa Byzantina still recognizes your nation's ironic and, arguably, highly allegorical initiative as a tenable response to the aforementioned Security Council resolution #361.

Irony is the best policy.

[West Barack and East Obama]

Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: We welcome the widespread opposition to this proposal. While topics such as hippopotami are too inane for us to care, two resolutions declaring two conflicting opinions seems rather confusing for member nations. One or the other, please. We're not that smart.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

"Declaration In Regard To Hippopotami" was defeated 13,630 votes to 1,836.