NationStates

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 2:44 pm**

Like everyone, I have infinite respect for Europeia and Europeans. Full support.

However: Before Heroes of the North, WALL complained a lot about Kuriko and the slew of 10KI/defender commendations; and before that we had Unibot/Mahaj/populist defenders acting similarly. I’m not exactly faulting you for this — really whatever motivates good writers to write good resolutions is fine by me — but the obvious conflict of interest here only reinforces the need for a single working metric to evaluate commendability. Historically it’s either been fame or popularity — let’s not kid ourselves, this commendation is a popularity one. Whether he’s done enough, which he has, or the resolution’s written well enough, which it is, is almost entirely irrelevant; so, my diagnostic, feel free to submit at any point.

Edit: same for Nak.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:41 pm**

Intentionless Winds wrote:Like everyone, I have infinite respect for Europeia and Europeans. Full support.

However: Before Heroes of the North, WALL complained a lot about Kuriko and the slew of 10KI/defender commendations; and before that we had Unibot/Mahaj/populist defenders acting similarly. I’m not exactly faulting you for this — really whatever motivates good writers to write good resolutions is fine by me — but the obvious conflict of interest here only reinforces the need for a single working metric to evaluate commendability. Historically it’s either been fame or popularity — let’s not kid ourselves, this commendation is a popularity one. Whether he’s done enough, which he has, or the resolution’s written well enough, which it is, is almost entirely irrelevant; so, my diagnostic, feel free to submit at any point.

Edit: same for Nak.

Heya! From what I can glean from your comment, I do somewhat agree that the general focus of the SC is rather defined by which way political winds are blowing; and on the single working metric to evaluate commendability, if I'm reading this correctly, most certainly in an ideal scenario objective commendability would be the singular factor in determining who gets a commendation. For me, this proposal isn't intended to seize the opportunity created by the window currently which may very well allow plenty of defender/independent commends to ride on through right now, nor was that a consideration when drafting them - both have been in my drafting books for over a year, and were submitted independently of the way things have been going (as I've just started to up activity). I am, however, somewhat curious about what you mean by the conflict of interest - I am most certainly stupid, so despite what is apparently "obvious" I have no clue what you're talking about ;-; Please do enlighten me! I might be missing historical context, or something.

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 3:49 pm**

Intentionless Winds wrote:Like everyone, I have infinite respect for Europeia and Europeans. Full support.

However: Before Heroes of the North, WALL complained a lot about Kuriko and the slew of 10KI/defender commendations; and before that we had Unibot/Mahaj/populist defenders acting similarly. I’m not exactly faulting you for this — really whatever motivates good writers to write good resolutions is fine by me — but the obvious conflict of interest here only reinforces the need for a single working metric to evaluate commendability. Historically it’s either been fame or popularity — let’s not kid ourselves, this commendation is a popularity one. Whether he’s done enough, which he has, or the resolution’s written well enough, which it is, is almost entirely irrelevant; so, my diagnostic, feel free to submit at any point.

Edit: same for Nak.

Why an anonymous account is so committed to complaining about obvious realities of the SC being a political institution as some sort of snide gotcha (especially that last sentence)... is beyond me, but I hope you're entertaining yourself plenty.

I look forward to Westinor's submission when she decides it's the ideal time for the draft and it has properly captured the many relevant contributions of the nominee.

There's never going to be a "single working metric to evaluate commendability" for a myriad of reasons, both political and logistics related (how do you make a standard that works the same for a defender and a roleplayer?).

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 4:08 pm**

Intentionless Winds wrote:Like everyone, I have infinite respect for Europeia and Europeans. Full support.

However: Before Heroes of the North, WALL complained a lot about Kuriko and the slew of 10KI/defender commendations; and before that we had Unibot/Mahaj/populist defenders acting similarly. I’m not exactly faulting you for this — really whatever motivates good writers to write good resolutions is fine by me — but the obvious conflict of interest here only reinforces the need for a single working metric to evaluate commendability. Historically it’s either been fame or popularity — let’s not kid ourselves, this commendation is a popularity one. Whether he’s done enough, which he has, or the resolution’s written well enough, which it is, is almost entirely irrelevant; so, my diagnostic, feel free to submit at any point.

Edit: same for Nak.

I don't...see it that way at all. Heroes=/=WALL, the regions in it are in WALL (with the exception of TEP), but it isn't a WALL project. As for us complaining about it, we shouldn't have, but what's done is done there.

As for the draft, West, "awesome, mate".

Posted: **Sat Feb 11, 2023 6:29 pm**

A few clarifications:
-- The SC should be a political organization, in my opinion.
-- WALL should squabble with defenders, and all the rest. McM and Pallaith were very fun additions to the WA.
-- I called TNP 'WALL' because I am [mega IC incoming] deeply prejudiced against the GA, and often forget that Imperium Anglorum is also there.
-- [OOC: Usages of words like "obviously", as well my general language, is not meant to put people down; it is IC. <3]

Anyways.

Westinor --

I actually don't believe the SC is "defined by which way political winds are blowing"; I think it's contingent first on the work of the prolific and talented individuals, Kuriko and those in Heroes included; and is second dependent on my two fair reasons for C&Cing, usually established in the long term, fame (what I mean by fame) and popularity. I do not want these good reasons to cease to be "good reasons", nor will I pretend "objectivity" (according to what metric?) is available to us. All's I'm saying -- all's I'm saying, is this: There is no SC Ideology, nor an SC community or SCer clan, as there is in the GA, and hence the SC does not have the language necessary to lift itself from the smut -- smut like Commend Halo. It is currently bent--and has always bent--at the (often petty) whims of some few serial authors.

Really, Westinor, if we continue to go about it the same way we have, as we are -- feigning objectivity -- the pace will never jump, we -- us in the SC -- will feign along, still routinely and--(I'll be frank)--pointlessly, called out for our hypocrisy (it is hypocritical to pass some C&Cs and reject others without a consistent measure of their worth); the push by cards players into the SC was one such "callout", as was Commend Halo, as is the roleplayers', the vast majority of roleplayers', disinterest.

A Note: If the SC were defined by fickle political reversals, wouldn't we see more repeals? But we don't see many repeals. And even when we do, the repeal only happened in one or a few SCers google drive, very rarely, if ever, catalyzed by the whole NS community, or one government or one subset of it (excepting OOC repeals, the very obvious exceptions, which are untied to IC politics).

Posted: **Mon Feb 13, 2023 3:08 pm**

I know Istillian from my time in Europeia and Sky Haven. He's an awesome dude and I think it would be great to see him Commended.

Posted: **Wed Mar 01, 2023 12:34 am**

Pushing this up to last call - I intend to submit this in a few days, likely March 3rd.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 7:53 am**

It seems that the nominee has brought Europeia to a sort of golden age. That is one thing to grab my attention to any commendation. Furthermore, since nothing contradictory seems to be in this proposal, I support this notion.

:bow:

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 9:52 am**

I really dislike having to click on the Illegal button for a well written proposal, but the "everyman" just can't be used in this context referring to a nation, I'm afraid.

Posted: **Sat Mar 04, 2023 11:14 am**

Thanks for catching that fairly quickly at least CG! Has been resubmitted with hopefully workable wording ;-; my bad for dropping the ball on that one

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:10 am**

Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Strongly opposed.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:52 am**

Molforle wrote:Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Strongly opposed.

Shockingly, successful regions are successful because of successful and often commendable people.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:43 pm**

Quebecshire wrote:
Molforle wrote:Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Strongly opposed.

Shockingly, successful regions are successful because of successful and often commendable people.

Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these. You probably aren't even from Quebec so don't name yourself Quebec because I know a true Quebecer would never support a small group of people different from them ruling over the masses. You are also a Europia fanboy so ...

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:51 pm**

Molforle wrote:Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Oh bejeezus you are an idea master!! I will look into this, many thanks :>

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:53 pm**

Molforle wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Shockingly, successful regions are successful because of successful and often commendable people.

Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these. You probably aren't even from Quebec so don't name yourself Quebec because I know a true Quebecer would never support a small group of people different from them ruling over the masses. You are also a Europia fanboy so ...

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:53 pm**

Westinor wrote:
Molforle wrote:Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Oh bejeezus you are an idea master!! I will look into this, many thanks :>

West being sarcastic?? This is a good day.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:56 pm**

Concrete Slab wrote:
Westinor wrote:Oh bejeezus you are an idea master!! I will look into this, many thanks :>

West being sarcastic?? This is a good day.

I'm not being sarcastic!! My good friend Vorhollah deserves a commend; this is fact.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:26 pm**

Westinor wrote:
Concrete Slab wrote:West being sarcastic?? This is a good day.

I'm not being sarcastic!! My good friend Vorhollah deserves a commend; this is fact.

REAL

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 4:27 pm**

Molforle wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Shockingly, successful regions are successful because of successful and often commendable people.

Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these. You probably aren't even from Quebec so don't name yourself Quebec because I know a true Quebecer would never support a small group of people different from them ruling over the masses. You are also a Europia fanboy so ...

hey leave my best friend quebec alone

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 8:43 pm**

Molforle wrote:Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these...

As the self-proclaimed "WA Elite", I offer no comment on Quebecshire's membership in the organisation.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 10:01 pm**

Molforle wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Shockingly, successful regions are successful because of successful and often commendable people.

Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these. You probably aren't even from Quebec so don't name yourself Quebec because I know a true Quebecer would never support a small group of people different from them ruling over the masses. You are also a Europia fanboy so ...

Does any of this have a point? The proposal isn't even about Q for fucks sake.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:02 pm**

Pleased to see this off to a strong start at vote.

Wayneactia wrote:
Molforle wrote:

Shockingly, Queb is a fan of this because he is a part of the WA elite and wants to be commended for siding with these. You probably aren't even from Quebec so don't name yourself Quebec because I know a true Quebecer would never support a small group of people different from them ruling over the masses. You are also a Europia fanboy so ...

Does any of this have a point? The proposal isn't even about Q for fucks sake.

Some good irony here, Chester.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:08 pm**

The South Pacific recommends that you vote $FOR$ Commend Istillian, by Westinor.

Please find the Office of WA Legislation's analysis of this resolution below, and make sure to upvote the OWL's recommendation dispatch.

The at-vote resolution, "Commend Istillian", seeks to commend Istillian for their region-building and defending as a member of Europeia. It goes into immense detail in describing Istillian’s contributions to Europeia through their many roles, such as Grand Admiral of the Europeian Republican Navy, Minister of Foreign Affairs, and First Minister.

The resolution primarily describes Istillian’s role in dramatically expanding the outreach of Europeia's military and recruiting and mentoring notable Europeians as Vice Admiral and three-time Grand Admiral of the Europeian Republican Navy. It also highlights Istillian’s role as Minister of Foreign Affairs, where they conducted interregional festivals and forged alliances with several notable allies.

Overall, this resolution is an exceptional summary of Istillian’s many achievements to Europeia in both the military and government.

Thus, OWL recommends a vote FOR the at-vote resolution, "Commend Istillian".

This resolution will be at vote between midnight EST on March 9th 2023 and midnight EST on March 13th 2023.

Posted: **Wed Mar 08, 2023 11:11 pm**

Molforle wrote:Yet another commend for Europia for "region building". Does Europia need this many commendations for "creating a newspaper and leading events". Will Europia not be done until every RO of theirs ever gets a commend?

Strongly opposed.

I was in Europeia for a short time during the pandemic, during that time, I got to know Istillian. He is very much deserving of this Commendation. If it was only due to his journalism, he would still be Commendable. Those projects were and are extremely important discussions within NationStates that are needing to be had. I am extremely happy to see him finally Commended.

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[PASSED] Commend Istillian