[DEFEATED] Condemn The Communist Bloc

[WayNeacTia]

I’m surprised Northumbria’s fan boy isn’t here to defend their “proposal”. Anyway, it’s getting the treatment it deserves. I just wish, like others here, that I could vote against it twice.

It would be amusing to see an “At Vote” thread locked while it is still at vote lol…

[Tim-Opolis]

In my almost thirteen years of NS, this may be one of the worst C/C Proposals I've ever seen get to vote.

Opposed despite nominee.

[Oblitus Terras]

Congratulations, you made me open the forum for once just to mention how poorly written this was. Especially for the fact that it barely details what specifically are the offences of TCB, the evidence for their supposed involvement with raiders, or any instance of them participating in raiding, and so on.

[Youtube Inc]

Rabotia's WA ambassador, Dimitri Angelopoulov, steps up to the podium.

Esteemed fellow ambassadors, this proposal is a travesty. The accusation that the Revolutionary Republic of The Communist Bloc endorses "a leftist form of Nazism" - never mind the asinine insinuation that there even is such a thing - doesn't even merit a response. The assertion that we co-operate with ominous, unspecified "horrible organisations despised by the Security Council" is not only baseless, it is the most infantile drivel of a sentence that I have ever had the misfortune of being forced to read.

But the abhorrence of this proposal derives not only from these falsehoods alone, nor indeed from the fact that it reads like it was written by an inebriated toddler. No - I now turn to the most egregious slander of this resolution: that of "dictatorial rule."

You see, esteemed fellow ambassadors, our proud nation is the living proof that there exists no dictatorship within The Communist Bloc. Just last month, in a democratic election, our nation gained a seat on the Revolutionary Republic's Legislative Committee. Of course, I can already hear the troglodytes protesting that elections are meaningless, that dictatorships hold sham elections all the time. But here's the difference: The First Minister and several other Ministers publicly voiced opposition to our nation gaining this seat in advance of the election.

You heard me right, my fellow ambassadors: Not only is there political dissent within The Communist Bloc, but the executive disagreeing with a candidate for office has not prevented that candidate - our candidate - from being elected. The First Minister accepted the outcome of the election without so much as the slightest shred of indignation, quite the opposite in fact: They congratulated us on our electoral victory, and have worked productively with our Legislative Committee delegate ever since. Imagine that! The maturity of a true statesperson - maturity sorely lacking in the drafters and backers of this pitiful proposal.

Your Excellencies, it now falls upon me to state the obvious: Please, vote down this steaming pile of fascist nonsense, and send a message to the liars and reactionaries who drafted and approved it. I yield.

He returns to his seat.

gets up and applauds

here here a valid defence, but one that should not really be required considering the total lack of evidence given in the first place.

I must inquire how is this a legal proposal? such baseless arguments should never be allowed to pass, there is no evidence for 2 of only 4 points and furthermore, there is no mention of instances of the very things it is accusing them of, how hard can it be to find an example of raiding if there is so many as suggested? accusations as serious as these without base should be shot down long before being released to ambassadors it is shameful this was not caught sooner

If there is any good and decent argument for why this "proposal" is not totally illegal (which I would be open to hearing) then I honestly think a review of the rules and guidelines for SC and GA should be carried out to prevent proposals like these, I had thought we already had good rules in place but clearly, I am mistaken.

[Almonaster Nuevo]

Gentlebeings, we share your contempt for this resolution. You might also share my amusement that this resolution seeking to create outrage was proposed by the nation which founded Autocracy, a region which proclaims itself "Destroyers of democracy, freedom, and human rights!"


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[Greater Morvonia]

Gentlebeings, we share your contempt for this resolution. You might also share my amusement that this resoloution seeking to create outrage was proposed by the nation which founded Autocracy, a region which proclaims itself "Destroyers of democracy, freedom, and human rights!"

Oh damn, really?

how ironic that part of why it's against TCB for is "Dictatorial rule where citizens are forbidden to criticise"
I dunno, being against that kinda sounds like human rights buddy...

[Wolflandil]

There is so much that The Communist Bloc has done that is definitely condemnable, however this resolution is incredibly weak, and the worst WA resolution I have seen in my nearly nine years on this site. Unlike some of the other "old timers" Ill air some grievances.

My first grievance, "[the] region's endorsement of a leftist form of Nazism, which is wrongly yet purposely classified as a democratic form of communism" is entirely inaccurate. Nazism focuses on ethnic/racial superiority and supressing minorities (many times through violent measures), which TCB highly considers to be against their core values, siting in their second most important rule " No bigotry. Do not be racist, anti-LGBT, anti-religious, ableist, or sexist. Bigotry is never compatible with leftist ideology."Shown Here.
This is also proven to be accurate through their raids on Layem, The Western Commonwealth, and countless other problematic and ideologically flawed regions.

My Second grievance is that it seems like there has been very little research into the actual actions of TCB. The Region is 9 years and 18 days old as of me posting this. There's practically a treasure trove of historical actions and events waiting to be uncovered that could be referenced in a well written resolution, even within recent history. See the raid on The Mystical Council, where they claimed The Mystical Council had "conservative allegiances", Shown in an excerpt under Regional News in their news dispatch from February 10th 2022. As someone who was a former councilor of TMC (sometime before 2019 I believe, and returned to TMC in late 2020), when we dabbled in IRL politics, which happened rarely- we showed to have vast differences in our political views, ranging from conservatives, moderates and leftists. That was just one event from "recent" NS history.

Doing research is your number one priority when making a comprehensive argument, and that is exactly what a WA Condemnation is under its strict formatting. This resolution fails at highlighting any accurate reason that TCB should be condemned.

[New Astri]

Congratulations, you made me open the forum for once just to mention how poorly written this was. Especially for the fact that it barely details what specifically are the offences of TCB, the evidence for their supposed involvement with raiders, or any instance of them participating in raiding, and so on.

:rofl:

it's kind of killing me how the one thing in this proposal which is provably and obviously true just by looking at our embassies list (we cooperate with regions the SC has condemned) is the thing you're calling "supposed"

[Russia18]

"The Holy Russian Empire supports this proposal due to how evil Communism truly is."

[Shamian]

"The Holy Russian Empire supports this proposal due to how evil Communism truly is."

You do a disservice to the residents of TCB comrade; the fact is that not all members of TCB are actually communist.

I will not address your obvious bigotry to opposing political viewpoints here, however I would like to point out that we are a directly democratic "big tent" region containing nations representing most leftist ideological backgrounds (with the notable deliberate exclusion of National Bolshevism, Strasserism and all other delusional offshoots/hybrids of fascism).

Ergo, your allusion to us being some form of monolithic political group is false. Next time please do try to do basic research on your target.

[Watermelon]

Alberto Montanas walks into the drafting room. This is it! Watermelon is no longer a novice at proposal writing, or so they say. He does notice he's 5 hours late, though. Guess that patriotic celebration might be the cause.

The first thing he does is discard all of his mail after most of it is just death wishes. He then reads the IFV, or whatever it's called. He runs away, to the surprise and cheer of other communist ambassadors. Unfortunately, though, he just came back with a red pen to correct some things.

Overview
Similarly to numerous past resolutions attempting to condemn The Communist Bloc (TCB) on ideological arguments, this proposal seeks to condemn TCB primarily based on criticism of communism. My new proposal, compared to the old one, actually tried to not be anti-communist. It also asserts that "they deny publicly yet privately confirm" their "classification of themselves as a raider region". The Communist Bloc, with the assistance of others, actually raid regions. That's a fact.

Recommendation
These so-called "arguments" are exceedingly poor, Yet are true. Go on. and fail to make a remotely persuasive argument that TCB is indeed worthy of a condemnation I don't need an argument about how TCB is worthy of a condemnation. Everybody knows that they are.. In addition, the author's behaviour in pursuing this proposal, such as specifically targeting fascist regions for approval campaigns, further prevents us from being able to support this resolution in good conscience It was my beginner's mistake. Why are you making such a big deal about it?. We strongly discourage other authors from taking up a condemnation of TCB on ideological grounds Other authors: if you're reading this and my proposal fails, I encourage you to attempt the hard thing and condemn TCB..

For the above reasons, the Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote Against the Security Council resolution at vote, "Condemn The Communist Bloc".

The Delegate and the minister/deputy ministers of the MoWAA also availed themselves of the opportunity to offer an alternative rationale for the recommendation for this resolution:

Alternative recommendation
Nothing here. Just some unfunny joke

He then goes away.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

....He then goes away.

Please, stay away. The SC can do without such poorly written and researched pieces of crud as those produced by you.

Luckily the voters share this opinion of your work.

[Watermelon]

....He then goes away.

Please, stay away.

Okay, then.

[Rusticus I Damianus]

Gladly supported. Be nice to have a raid followed by burning the whole region down into nothing but a bad memory, but that'll probably have to wait till a later much anticipated date.

[Gabingston]

This is passing, the vote count is rigged!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111!!11!1!

[Hoffnung]

The only concrete fact about this poor attempt at a resolution is that the original poster does not have the faintest idea of what political theory is, and that some nations should be booted off this assembly to avoid an outbreak of arrogant, ignorance-bred political violence pushed by elements like this one.

[Juristonia]

I’m surprised Northumbria’s fan boy isn’t here to defend their “proposal”. Anyway, it’s getting the treatment it deserves. I just wish, like others here, that I could vote against it twice.

He's on a three day ban.

[Esoteria]

Richard Ecrot, Esoteria's delegate and a completely new presence to the table, stands up.
"I don't want to be here." He starts, his facial and bodily expressions mirroring his statement. "But this proposal is so bad, that instead of returning Esoteria's vote by mail, I took a journey some odd million kilometers, most likely greater, to publicly declare in person that Although the Communist Bloc is deserving of being condemned, this proposal is not up to the standards I had hoped to see in the World Assembly. Therefore, Esoteria is Against the passing of this proposal."

[Istastioner]

Alright ... let`s get this over with ...

The Most Serene Republic of Istastioner has voted AGAINST Condemn the Communist Bloc

1. Your "arguments" are exceedingly poor and are not even remotely persuasive argument that TCB is worthy of a condemnation.


2. In addition, your behavior in pursuing this proposal, such as specifically targeting fascist regions for approval campaigns, strongly pushed me away and many others from wanting to support this resolution.

3. It seems like there has been very little research into the political system of TCB. Seeing as how you call their democratic system "a leftist form of Nazism" which only shows that you either lied here or did little to no research.

4. "a classification that they deny publicly yet privately confirm" Who privately confirmed It, can I have a source please?

5. "Furious over the region's cooperation with horrible organizations despised by the Security Council" Who are these "horrible" organizations?

6.

Also you don't seem to understand Nazism or Leftism so let me help you, Nazism focuses on ethnic/racial superiority and supressing minorities (mostly through violent measures), which are against the core values of the TCB, which can be seen siting in their second most important rule " No bigotry. Do not be racist, anti-LGBT, anti-religious, ableist, or sexist.
T.L.D.R: Nazism has never compatible with leftist ideology. in fact, Nazism was created in opposition to communist.

7.The only concrete fact about this sad attempt at a resolution is that Watermelon does not have the faintest idea of what political theory is.

8. There are barely any details what specifically are the "offences" of TCB.

9. If a must inquire how is this a legal proposal? such baseless arguments/proposal should never be allowed to pass, there is no evidence for 2 of only 4 points.

10. There is no mention of instances of the very things it is accusing them of Raiding. how hard can it be to find an example of raiding if there is so many as you suggested?

11. Do not to forget Watermelon`s obvious bigotry to opposing political viewpoints, seems to be his main motivation for submitting this proposal.

12. But the abhorrence of this proposal derives not only from many falsehoods alone, nor indeed from the fact that it reads like it was written by an inebriated toddler.

13. The WA shouldn't act against a region based on ideological reasons.

14. "Malicious stances and shenanigans" But what are those stances and shenanigans?

15. Baseless accusations without evidence or elaboration which makes this an even worse proposal.

16. You will not pass anything for as long as you maintain an attitude of being rude to everyone that you disagree with.

17. "Concerned over TCB's dictatorial rule on its citizens, who are forbidden to criticize them" I find this part hypocritical of you because aren't you the "Regional Emperor" of Autocracy, a region that proclaims to be the "Destroyers of democracy, freedom, and human rights".

18. Doing research is your number one priority when making a comprehensive argument, and that is how WA Condemnation is under its strict formatting. This resolution fails at highlighting any reasons on why TCB should be condemned.

19. The proposal seems incredibly unjust and extremely loaded with biasness and shows complete lack of understanding of "Freedom of Speech" and tolerance.

20. The proposal any lacks substance, as others have already mentioned includes language such as "leftist form of Nazism" which both a false and tasteless comparison.

TLDR: This proposal is Poorly written, with no good reasons, and the nominee isn't deserving.

Those reasons and many others are why Condemn the Communist Bloc is 1,926 For - 10,254 Against
and, if there is any good and decent argument for why this "proposal" is not totally illegal (which I would be open to hearing) please tell me.

I'm disappointed that I can only vote against this once.

Me too

edit1:
1/14/23 10:45
Points 16-20 added

edit2:
1/14/23 11:09
Typos fixed

edit3:
1/15/23 6:25
added "The Most Serene Republic of Istastioner has voted AGAINST Condemn the Communist Bloc".
removed "(Massive air quotes)".
updated the "x_numbers For to x_numbers Against" part.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I’m surprised Northumbria’s fan boy isn’t here to defend their “proposal”. Anyway, it’s getting the treatment it deserves. I just wish, like others here, that I could vote against it twice.

He's on a three day ban.

Northumbria is but Watermelon is his fanboy and they aren’t. And they have now shown up, albeit briefly.

[Attempted Socialism]

Alberto Montanas walks into the drafting room. This is it! Watermelon is no longer a novice at proposal writing, or so they say.

Other authors: if you're reading this and my proposal fails, I encourage you to attempt the hard thing and condemn TCB..

He then goes away.

Let's be blunt. You can get as many resolutions to a vote as you're willing to pay for in stamps. You will not pass anything for as long as you maintain this attitude. This is apparently the resolution you want, as you may out very clearly, but to call it garbage would be unkind to things that can be recycled. It is revealing of your character, it is very honest, and if you ever want to do anything in the WA, I suggest some soul-searching: What were the decisions and people that led you down this poisonous road? What were your errors in reasoning? Those are the questions you need to answer if you want to transition from novice to successful author. Right now you're on a road to abject, self-inflicted, failure.

[Uwuguaya]

The WA Ambassador of Uwuguaya, a spotted long-legged Uwuguayan panda named Spotty Blackeye, lumbers into her office, and-after being handed the proposal-immediately chews on the paper the proposal is written on, before spitting it out again and going for her bowl of fruity panda snacks instead.

That being said, as much as I sanction the notion to condemn, outlaw and isolate nations and regions that are actively raiding and proudly provide a safe harbour for Stalinist elements, I am appalled and disgusted by the lack of bureaucratic standard, lack of knowledge and the poor execution of the arguments provided within this proposal. Whilst I thusly-usually-would choose to abstain, due to a conflict of interests, given the circumstances, I do have to vote against the SC resolution at vote.

[Kirrlark]

“We applaud the Security Council for its near united opposition to the proposal. The Communist Bloc is unsurprisingly directing it’s members to vote AGAINST.”

[Varax Zwei]

Against, in spite of the condemnable nature of the nominee. The proposal is poorly written and should not have been submitted as it currently is. It lacks substance and includes, as others have mentioned includes language such as "leftist form of Nazism" which both a false and tasteless comparison. Certainly, as noted, one of the most awful proposals to reach quorum.

[Kagtopia]

The fact that such a poorly written proposal is up for a vote in the SC is a travesty. In addition to being factually incorrect, using the Security Council's time and ressources on a proposal borne mostly from a dislike of a region's dominant ideology is ridiculous. Thankful the majority of the Council are condemning this.