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Regnum Alea Spaceflee
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Regnum Alea Spaceflee » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:15 pm

Lenlyvit wrote:
Regnum Alea Spaceflee wrote:You know what? f#ck this vote because i did some research and CB has done absolutely none of this s#it like wtf dude why lie.

It's not against the rules to lie in the resolution to get it passed, it's all part of politics. I'm glad to see this failing, it's a dumpster fire.

I guess you are right that is what most politicians do corrupt or not corrupt.
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Zabloing
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Ex-Nation

Postby Zabloing » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:23 pm

The Republic of Zabloing votes AGAINST

The Zabloing World Assembly Representative, by order of President Zabloing, has stated that The Republic of Zabloing's Stance: It doesn't have enough detail and would rather condemn based on Ideology rather than actions. Although TCB is condemnable, this does not describe these condemnable actions. As such, The Republic will vote AGAINST.
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Mechanocracy
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Mechanocracy » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:27 pm

As long as The Communist Bloc is the first (non-puppet dump) region to come up when someone searches for a communist tagged region, it will remain as a barely concealed stand-in for the ideology itself for lackluster proposals to try and condemn. They then fail, in part because the authors of these proposals have this strange completely inexplicable desire to show off their proposal to fascists to get them approved, because they don't follow the drafting process at all, and because they don't research the region at all.

Disgusted over the region's endorsement of a leftist form of Nazism, which is wrongly yet purposely classified as a democratic form of communism,

The Communist Bloc's ideology is 'Pan-leftist and Intersectional'. Someone could make an argument that that provides a safe haven for authoritarian strains of communist and leftist ideals- But instead the proposal seems to be saying that democratic socialism/communism is 'a leftist form of Nazism', and just declares that to be the state ideology of the region. To correct this in future proposals, I would recommend reading the World Factbook Entry (available here) and the Wikipedia page (or at least the lede of the Wikipedia page) on Leftist politics.

Revealing TCB's classification of themselves as a raider region, a classification that they deny publicly yet privately confirm,

That doesn't make them condemnable. Also- Reveal implies new information- not something already common knowledge since last year.

Furious over the region's cooperation with horrible organizations despised by the Security Council,

The only 'horrible organizations' involved in this proposal are some of the ones asked by the author to sign off on it during the quorum process.

Concerned over TCB's dictatorial rule on its citizens, who are forbidden to criticize them,

Who is them? And how is TCB's rule dictatorial? These are the sorts of questions that can be answered during the drafting process, except we are not in the drafting process, we are in the voting process, when we shouldn't be.

Believing that it was, is, and will be a duty of the Security Council to challenge TCB,

This isn't a challenge, it's free advertising.
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Arcturus Novus
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Arcturus Novus » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:52 pm

Ambassador Paola Maniaki says her piece.

"This is a farce, a complete misrepresentation of what our region stands for. I mean, really, 'a leftist form of Nazism'? A 'dictatorial rule' where we have outlawed criticism? The fact that this got beyond the proposal stage is a slap in the face to every single member of this Council.

The Arcturan Union stands with its fellow member-nations of The Communist Bloc, and votes against... whatever this is. Every delegate who allowed this to get as far as it has should be ashamed of themselves."
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Acolyte Confederacy » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:56 pm

i support this.

We ban far right nazism, ultranationalism, etc. but we let far leftists actively collect in a region. im not one of those conspiracy "THEM MODS ARE COMMIES AAAAAAAAA" nuts, but i feel like if far right stuff is banned, there should also be far left stuff banned too.

no im not a nazi, im a libertarian social democrat.
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Gary the No Trash Cougar
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Ex-Nation

Postby Gary the No Trash Cougar » Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:58 pm

I can’t wait until 2080 when we still have Condemn TCB sham proposals. Provided NationStates will still be a thing in the next few decades

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Will County
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Ex-Nation

[AT VOTE] Condemn The Communist Bloc

Postby Will County » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:17 pm

Disgusted over the region's endorsement of a leftist form of Nazism

Please expand on this. I genuinely don't understand how a far-right ideology (which is fundamentally opposed to communism) can be left-wing.
[...]cooperation with horrible organizations despised by the Security Council,

By my research, there's only one region that has been condemned.
Concerned over TCB's dictatorial rule on its citizens, who are forbidden to criticize them,

Please look at your own stats before criticizing others.

You need to understand that you don't speak for the Security Council.

Please write your proposals better. I feel like eight lines isn't enough. I'm being generous about the whole eight lines thing too, it should really be seven because the first line is three words long. I haven't played this game nearly enough to know all the ins and outs of proposal writing but, looking at the resolutions I've voted on, they're generally long, convoluted, and not strictly ideology-based. Also your ideology isn't based.

I voted against the resolution, and I will continue to vote against all resolutions of this kind.

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Juansonia
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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Juansonia » Sat Jan 14, 2023 10:26 pm

Will County wrote:Please look at your own stats before criticizing others.
Bold of you to assume that stats are canon. If you told them to look at their region, that would have been a far stronger argument.
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Will County
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Ex-Nation

Postby Will County » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:09 pm

Juansonia wrote:
Will County wrote:Please look at your own stats before criticizing others.
Bold of you to assume that stats are canon. If you told them to look at their region, that would have been a far stronger argument.


You're right, I didn't catch that

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Postby Kasase » Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:29 pm

I am not that knowledgable of the affairs of the world assembly and everything it has, when I had WA on this nation I barely even voted however, this proposal is poorly written in my opinion.

I don't like TCB, but this is not the way to condemn them. for example: "leftist form of Nazism," the ideology is far different from the communism that TCB espouses, TCB runs under a (mostly) democratic system with actual legislation which is voted. also I don't see any evidence of the same level of racism that nazism had, I no see jewish countries being banned from TCB. the closest thing that is a "Leftist Nazism" is strasserism, where, believe me, TCB is a galaxy apart ideologically from.
that's all im really gonna come up with since im lazy and tired, however, my region has been raided by TCB and co multiple times with plenty more attempts, yet even I find this proposal... just bad. against
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Styratia
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Ex-Nation

Postby Styratia » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:24 am

The people of the world shall no doubt see this as an attack against our rights. The bourgeoisie are clearly foolishly attempting to impede the inevitable progress of international Socialism. Long live the revolution!

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Postby Nationalist Northumbria » Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:38 am

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Postby Team Leo » Sun Jan 15, 2023 9:59 am

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Watermelon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Watermelon » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:14 am

This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.
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Paradise 00City-State00
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Ex-Nation

Postby Paradise 00City-State00 » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:24 am

Watermelon wrote:This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.




The Based Ambassador of Paradise steps forward. "This is clearly a thinly veiled attempt to garner sympathy by making your nation seem like the victim of bullying when in reality other nations are simply calling out errors they see in a resolution you opened for debate. If your resolution failed, it's not because we don't like you, it's because the resolution was bad." After saying these based words the ambassador steps back, having represented his nation.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby -Astoria- » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:24 am

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Watermelon
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Ex-Nation

Postby Watermelon » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:26 am

Paradise 00City-State00 wrote:
Watermelon wrote:This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.




The Based Ambassador of Paradise steps forward. "This is clearly a thinly veiled attempt to garner sympathy by making your nation seem like the victim of bullying when in reality other nations are simply calling out errors they see in a resolution you opened for debate. If your resolution failed, it's not because we don't like you, it's because the resolution was bad." After saying these based words the ambassador steps back, having represented his nation.


This is an attempt for something, that's correct, but it isn't for sympathy. Adios.
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Hanau Ho Hawaii
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Ex-Nation

Postby Hanau Ho Hawaii » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:47 am

Well, guess that about wraps things up doesnt it?

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby Istastioner » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:49 am

Watermelon wrote:This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.

So, it's finally over.

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Postby Washington-Columbia » Sun Jan 15, 2023 10:50 am

Hanau Ho Hawaii wrote:Well, guess that about wraps things up doesnt it?


No, I'd say there would probably more of these types of drafts.
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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Jar Wattinree » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:38 pm

Washington-Columbia wrote:
Hanau Ho Hawaii wrote:Well, guess that about wraps things up doesnt it?


No, I'd say there would probably more of these types of drafts.

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Defendington
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Left-wing Utopia

Nay

Postby Defendington » Sun Jan 15, 2023 12:43 pm

Just nope.

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Left-wing Utopia

Postby New Astri » Sun Jan 15, 2023 1:32 pm

Watermelon wrote:This is related to this draft, but also my other drafts as well.

After comments made by other authors, I am resigning from the WA and, in general, quitting NationStates. Goodbye.


wait, you mean this whole proposal wasn't an extended joke? you seriously thought it was good?
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Ex-Nation

Postby Syndicalist Autonomy » Sun Jan 15, 2023 2:26 pm

Syndicalist Autonomies WA Ambassador, Speaker Rhea Curran, seems unamused at the proposal. They receive a message on their phone and take the podium*

Esteemed Ambassadors, people of the World, our time is rather priceless so I will keep this short: my constituents paid a sum for me to be here to give our response to this proposal, as I'm sure most of yours have as well. To accuse an entire region on the basis of misinformation of political identities is arrogant at best and blatant and malicious unprofessionalism at worst. Worse still, the fact that this was allowed to come to the floor on a baseless assumption of dictatorship and Nazism--infamously a right-wing policy--is an insult to our constituents, and in nations with libertarian policies such as the Autonomies, is manipulation with the intent to control or conform.

Let's not kid ourselves, folks--this decision was dead before it hit the floor and the disrespect we have shown our people with entertaining it is embarrassing enough. I stand before you not as a person of great political power. I have a day job as a theoretical physicist. Our sortition policy requires a new appointee every year and all of our decisions are held to vote. The People of the Free Land of Syndicalist Autonomy addresses the chamber floor and our response is Nay.

They return to their seat, grumbling about billing the proposer for the travel expenses.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Doge Land » Sun Jan 15, 2023 4:17 pm

I mean usually I would vote for these resolutions as a joke since they never had a chance in the first place, but this is just sad. There was zero effort put into this stolen- I mean, "borrowed" proposal. Yeah, against.
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