[PASSED] Liberate Islamic States

[New Astri]

BoM pulling out of supporting IS

(so is everyone else)

[Watermelon]

BoM pulling out of supporting IS

(so is everyone else)

They're doing it for human relations, nothing else.

[Second Sovereignty]

They're doing it for human relations, nothing else.

They're doing it because the region is indefensible without the founder; it's not a fight they can win and they're not going to commit time to a lost cause. It's not some nefarious PR stunt.

[Watermelon]

They're doing it for human relations, nothing else.

They're doing it because the region is indefensible without the founder; it's not a fight they can win and they're not going to commit time to a lost cause. It's not some nefarious PR stunt.

Oh, yeah. Forgot that as well too.

[New Astri]

(so is everyone else)

They're doing it for human relations, nothing else.

for what?

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

i really love how raiders and raider stooges will find any reason to get in a twist over stuff like this. once it's their allies, even if said allies repeatedly cheated, they start to talk like defenders real quickly. very cash money of them. speaking of cash money -

[RiderSyl]

i really love how raiders and raider stooges will find any reason to get in a twist over stuff like this. once it's their allies, even if said allies repeatedly cheated, they start to talk like defenders real quickly. very cash money of them. speaking of cash money -

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Nothing burns quite as fast as the friendly façade of a player after they've secured their commendation.

[Astrobolt]

Supported this wholeheartedly before, but with the latest post on the RMB, I am looking forward to seeing the region burn.

[Witchcraft and Sorcery]

i really love how raiders and raider stooges will find any reason to get in a twist over stuff like this. once it's their allies, even if said allies repeatedly cheated, they start to talk like defenders real quickly. very cash money of them. speaking of cash money -

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Nothing burns quite as fast as the friendly façade of a player after they've secured their commendation.

i've always been like this lmao

eating raiders for breakfast is what i do

[Rhaza]

Let what follows be an example to those who devote their regions to tormenting others.

Part of me wishes we knew the scale of the cheating given Jawi's affinity for small sleeper based raids for IS acquisitions, but regardless this should also serve as a reminder to everyone that cheaters never win.

[New Astri]

i really love how raiders and raider stooges will find any reason to get in a twist over stuff like this. once it's their allies, even if said allies repeatedly cheated, they start to talk like defenders real quickly. very cash money of them. speaking of cash money -

unsure why "raiders care when things happen to their allied regions" is supposed to be an. insult?

+ "allies" plural is inaccurate, it seems preddy clear that only jawi was culpable here and shayk & co had no idea what their founder was or wasn't doing w/ his WA. so just like. the one ally lmao

[RiderSyl]

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There's no use reasoning with the anti-raider reactionaries that pretend to be moralist defenders. Their entire modus operandi revolves around "make raiders salty".

[New Astri]

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There's no use reasoning with the anti-raider reactionaries that pretend to be moralist defenders. Their entire modus operandi revolves around "make raiders salty".

'reactionary' seems very melodramatic for nationstates like i'm pretty sure it is in fact just called moralist defenderism

[RiderSyl]

There's no use reasoning with the anti-raider reactionaries that pretend to be moralist defenders. Their entire modus operandi revolves around "make raiders salty".

'reactionary' seems very melodramatic for nationstates like i'm pretty sure it is in fact just called moralist defenderism

Nah, early TGW ran into headwinds for raiding raiders due to moralist defenderism. There's still moralist defenders that will just sit on the sidelines rather than participate in any griefing of the IS community. This new breed of self-proclaimed "moralists" that toss morals aside when it's inconvenient for them are more properly defined as reactionary.

[Rhaza]

'reactionary' seems very melodramatic for nationstates like i'm pretty sure it is in fact just called moralist defenderism

Nah, early TGW ran into headwinds for raiding raiders due to moralist defenderism. There's still moralist defenders that will just sit on the sidelines rather than participate in any griefing of the IS community. This new breed of self-proclaimed "moralists" that toss morals aside when it's inconvenient for them are more properly defined as reactionary.

Edit: also lol @ "new breed" when XKI has been counter-invading since a decade before you touched NS

[Nationalist Northumbria]

Thneedville forces have moved into the region in preparation for the invasion.

[RiderSyl]

Edit: also lol @ "new breed" when XKI has been counter-invading since a decade before you touched NS

Didn't realize you were that old of an NS player, Quebec.

[The Universe World]

Raiderdom has left us due to the actions of the founder which we were completely unaware of. The raider direction was mostly his idea, and something our community, mostly made up of new players, only went along with without fully understanding its ramifications. In response to what we know now, I removed the Raider tag from our region, and the Assassin's creed, and went to the League to discuss the state of IS in this world, fully ready to make any changes necessary to make right. If you say we deserve to be raided because we were griefing, then I offered that we will never grief again. We may even defend, if you tell us what to do.

Instead, all of us, our entire community, most of whom have never participated in a raid or even understand one, were completely condemned for the actions of the founder. Razha/Cubi judged all of us, a community he has never interacted with, to deserve complete destruction, to suffer all the consequences, actively throwing away any opportunity to make this right, actively throwing away potential new defenders and a region willing to be an ally. I have the discord messages to prove this.

Is this the standard for all defenders? I don't even know what defending really is. But if it's this, how is it a good thing?

I have mixed feelings on this whole situation in light of this. On one hand, offering to defend makes it seem like the raider should be called off. On the other hand, if you all were against raiding than why was that unknown until now? But I do sympathize with not wanting to be held responsible for your founder’s actions because they were not yours. Unless, of course, Koth’s theory was correct and others were involved in this.
I am going to hold off on making any declaration or military decision on behalf of TGU until the proposal passes or fails. Let the games begin.

[The South Polish Union]

In a bit of irony I'm sure nobody expected, Libcord has raided Indonesia this update, which appears to be a region of random RL Indonesians that just happened to be founded by Jawi; rather than raiding what they claim is a dangerous invader region in the proposal submitted.

Curious.

[New Astri]

In a bit of irony I'm sure nobody expected, Libcord has raided Indonesia this update, which appears to be a region of random RL Indonesians that just happened to be founded by Jawi; rather than raiding what they claim is a dangerous invader region in the proposal submitted.

Curious.

damn and they say PRAF bends over backwards to explain targets. yeah man i'm sure that region full of random indonesians hanging out knew all about jawi being a raider/jawi wa multiing

[Krea Griopia]

In a bit of irony I'm sure nobody expected, Libcord has raided Indonesia this update, which appears to be a region of random RL Indonesians that just happened to be founded by Jawi; rather than raiding what they claim is a dangerous invader region in the proposal submitted.

Curious.

From the previous WFE: Indonesia adalah bagian dari Islamic States (Indonesia is part of Islamic States)

Also, Libcord does not conduct raids ever, the WFE clearly says TGW and TL

Remember kids, literacy is for fendas

[Reconnaissance 2]

This wretched darkspawn hive has been cleansed by the steel and fire of The Order Of the Grey Wardens and The League Defense Forces. Darkspawn everywhere cower and flee at the sight of our glorious arms.

Blessed are they who stand before
The corrupt and the wicked and do not falter.
Blessed are the peacekeepers, the champions of the just.
-Benedictions 4:10

Considering how that reads at a time where a Muslim region is being invaded and it feels all crusadey...

[The South Polish Union]

In a bit of irony I'm sure nobody expected, Libcord has raided Indonesia this update, which appears to be a region of random RL Indonesians that just happened to be founded by Jawi; rather than raiding what they claim is a dangerous invader region in the proposal submitted.

Curious.

From the previous WFE: Indonesia adalah bagian dari Islamic States (Indonesia is part of Islamic States)

Also, Libcord does not conduct raids ever, the WFE clearly says TGW and TL

Remember kids, literacy is for fendas

Thanks it feels much better to know that 2 of the most active and vocal member-regions of Libcord did the raid and not Libcord itself

[Shrug and Destroy]

Conflating Libcord with an organization is highly inappropriate. None of the operations conducted by TGW or the LDF were part of Libcord. Libcord is not an org, it is a Discord server for defending ops and defending ops only. No part of tonight’s op took place in said Discord server. Spreading misinformation for the purpose of raider talking points is not going to get you very far outside of your own circles.

[New Astri]

Conflating Libcord with an organization is highly inappropriate. None of the operations conducted by TGW or the LDF were part of Libcord. Libcord is not an org, it is a Discord server for defending ops and defending ops only. No part of tonight’s op took place in said Discord server. Spreading misinformation for the purpose of raider talking points is not going to get you very far outside of your own circles.

"spreading misinformation" girl it's obvious that defenderdom coalesces in libcord + acts as a unit under libcord 99% of the time so as a result people mentally default to using "libcord" as the term to describe "multiple defender regions doing something together." literally no reason to assign melodramatic ~misinformation~ intent to that phrasing