[PASSED] Liberate Islamic States

[Hannoura Az-Zengi]

So it's ok to disband an ENTIRE region but not when people are currently raising IS? If so, I diagnose you with *MISLOGIC*

[Rhaza]

So it's ok to disband an ENTIRE region but not when people are currently raising IS? If so, I diagnose you with *MISLOGIC*

[Kasase]

Well, here is my take on the situation .
IS should be taken, however, I do believe that it should not rot away as a trophy and should be left in the hands of someone decent, perhaps an unknowing of the raiding native or someone new. it should be rebuilt in a more neutral image, not defender from the beginning, not raider from the beginning, what IS’s new controller chooses it to be. and rebuilt in it’s peoples image of IS.
After all, taking a raider region and holding it as a trophy is just as bad as raiders. Note that this is not the stance of odrya and just my personal opinion

[Watermelon]

Well, here is my take on the situation .
IS should be taken, however, I do believe that it should not rot away as a trophy and should be left in the hands of someone decent, perhaps an unknowing of the raiding native or someone new. it should be rebuilt in a more neutral image, not defender from the beginning, not raider from the beginning, what IS’s new controller chooses it to be. and rebuilt in it’s peoples image of IS.
After all, taking a raider region and holding it as a trophy is just as bad as raiders. Note that this is not the stance of odrya and just my personal opinion

That's what they all promise.

[Zabloing]

Well, here is my take on the situation .
IS should be taken, however, I do believe that it should not rot away as a trophy and should be left in the hands of someone decent, perhaps an unknowing of the raiding native or someone new. it should be rebuilt in a more neutral image, not defender from the beginning, not raider from the beginning, what IS’s new controller chooses it to be. and rebuilt in it’s peoples image of IS.
After all, taking a raider region and holding it as a trophy is just as bad as raiders. Note that this is not the stance of odrya and just my personal opinion

Why should it become something new? In my opinion, it should become a trophy as there is no reason to make it into a community again.

Horrible regions like this don't deserve a renewal.

[Rhaza]

After all, taking a raider region and holding it as a trophy is just as bad as raiders. Note that this is not the stance of odrya and just my personal opinion

Monuments to hubris - and more importantly - inevitable failure.

Those which base their existence on the destruction of others are entitled to no leniency. Especially in a case where they abused the game's mechanics via cheating to accomplish their goals.

To attack this at its source is merely setting an example, and reminding them once of what they've done to countless other regions. Even if ethically similar, it would never equate to the ills of invading and colonialism even by quantity. Snuffing out the attacker is infinitely more beneficial to pacificism and any level of peace than turning the other cheek would be.

Benedictions 4:10, or something.

[Refuge Isle]

That's what they all promise.

Of the hostile refounds in the last year, only Japan and Concord spring to mind as sites where there was ever an intention to do anything with the region afterwards. For the rest, destruction of the region is the objective, and is pretty brutally and publicly presented to be such.

So who are "they all", and where are these receipts?

[Watermelon]

That's what they all promise.

Of the hostile refounds in the last year, only Japan and Concord spring to mind as sites where there was ever an intention to do anything with the region afterwards. For the rest, destruction of the region is the objective, and is pretty brutally and publicly presented to be such.

So who are "they all", and where are these receipts?

Oh. Thank you for clarifying.

[Juansonia]

Those which base their existence on the destruction of others are entitled to no leniency.

That is where you are wrong.

[The Hurricane]

Defenders are better at defending themselves on why they should raid a region then actually defending and protecting regions.

[The North Polish Union]

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Repeatedly calling my posts "bait" adds nothing of value to the discussion, but thank you for providing an otherwise helpful explanation to my question. I asked a sincere question about where the line for passing offensive liberations and raiding founderless regions was. That's not bait, its curiousity. Apparently that line somewhere between Jawi and Vandoosa.

Benedictions 4:10, or something.

Google tells me the fake scripture thing that you have here and in WFEs comes from TGW's Dragon Age theme thing. But surely the Koran has something you could use to be brutally topical?

Defenders are better at defending themselves on why they should raid a region then actually defending and protecting regions.

True. And think of all the regions we can hit more easily while their WAs are tied up in a refound

[Devious]

That's what they all promise.

Of the hostile refounds in the last year, only Japan and Concord spring to mind as sites where there was ever an intention to do anything with the region afterwards. For the rest, destruction of the region is the objective, and is pretty brutally and publicly presented to be such.

So who are "they all", and where are these receipts?

Pretty sure the mystical council has a roleplay going

[Rhaza]

Of the hostile refounds in the last year, only Japan and Concord spring to mind as sites where there was ever an intention to do anything with the region afterwards. For the rest, destruction of the region is the objective, and is pretty brutally and publicly presented to be such.

So who are "they all", and where are these receipts?

Pretty sure the mystical council has a roleplay going

Was that the intent from early on?

Not as a gotcha, it definitely didn't seem like it that was on the agenda until recently, though. For technicality's sake I'll even say it wasn't the case for Concord during the invasion. Initially we were just going to lock it down, until Ike suggested we use it as our second region during some other government discussions several weeks later.

[Devious]

Pretty sure the mystical council has a roleplay going

Was that the intent from early on?

Not as a gotcha, it definitely didn't seem like it that was on the agenda until recently, though. For technicality's sake I'll even say it wasn't the case for Concord during the invasion. Initially we were just going to lock it down, until Ike suggested we use it as our second region during some other government discussions several weeks later.

You're correct that TMC was only repurposed in that direction a while after the actual refound, but also for technicality's sake, luca did say ever, haha.

[WayNeacTia]

Defenders are better at defending themselves on why they should raid a region then actually defending and protecting regions.

It’a not like you weren’t warned multiple times.

In other news, what an unsurprising, monumental waste of time. They are months if not years from a password on the region. If you are going to raid the fucking region, RAID THE FUCKING REGION. If you need a security council justification to raid a problematic region, they you really aren’t cut out for the big leagues, are you?

[The Ice States]

Liberate Islamic States was passed 12,064 votes to 4,063.

[Hannoura Az-Zengi]

fudge this shoot i'm out

[Mobs]

i support this as long as im in because mobs like wars and even more they like wars they win

[Vavlar]

Defenders are better at defending themselves on why they should raid a region then actually defending and protecting regions.

Common based hurricane

[Varax Zwei]

If you are going to raid the fucking region, RAID THE FUCKING REGION.

Alright, we raided it. Done and done. Brought over 50 updaters for the jump too.

[Rhaza]

You'd make a great raider if you took the mask off, Queb.

Took this to heart. Just dropped a 59e stage, nearly everyone made it in. Happy to give you lessons sometime!

[WayNeacTia]

If you are going to raid the fucking region, RAID THE FUCKING REGION.

Alright, we raided it. Done and done. Brought over 50 updaters for the jump too.

The delegate had 13 endorsements. Is that why it took so long? You needed to have as many people as possible online so you could have a crushing victory? Is that all that matters anymore? Winning by the biggest margin possible?

[Westinor]

Alright, we raided it. Done and done. Brought over 50 updaters for the jump too.

The delegate had 13 endorsements. Is that why it took so long? You needed to have as many people as possible online so you could have a crushing victory? Is that all that matters anymore? Winning by the biggest margin possible?

Yup winning is pretty great