[DEFEATED] Liberate New Westphalia

[Rhaza]

~Celebrate Good Times, Come On!~

To confirm, in accordance with the native-defender plan to secure the region and move forward, we would like to ask all favorable voters to switch their votes to against. Thank you for your support during the uncertainty!

[The Universe World]

A manufactured victory, Wayne said. Yet it ended up being the first outright victory since China in November 2021.
Ah, good to know you a far from an actual leadership position because your pessimism would stifle any region.

If the liberation had passed, raiders would have pulled out. Thus a manufactured victory. Do at least try and keep up if you are going to beak. As for leadership? Someone else can do that shit, I deal with enough shit in real life. This is something I check in on while I am waiting for something or sitting on the john.

Certainly no more a manufactured victory than stacking the Security Council with proposals amidst the attempt to Liberate TMC. My personal favorite was Liberate Ukraine. Nothing quite like exploiting a tragic real-world event for IC gain! Or how about turning EmbassyRegionia into an OOC issue by focusing on the disgraced founder who was disavowed by every native, primarily because it made it so Independents (most notably The Communist Bloc) would join in? Gosh, so many options!

[RiderSyl]

Oh no TUW what are you doing

Certainly no more a manufactured victory than stacking the Security Council with proposals amidst the attempt to Liberate TMC. My personal favorite was Liberate Ukraine. Nothing quite like exploiting a tragic real-world event for IC gain!

That wasn't what Liberate Ukraine was, which I made clear many times in its thread. Also, it's very reckless of you to leave out the critical detail of when Liberate Ukraine was submitted. It was before the invasion. Of course, including that detail would be inconvenient for your narrative.

Or how about turning EmbassyRegionia into an OOC issue by focusing on the disgraced founder who was disavowed by every native, primarily because it made it so Independents (most notably The Communist Bloc) would join in? Gosh, so many options!

The disgraced founder brought everyone's focus onto themselves with their conduct, memorably leading to Ike's infamous "My brother in Christ" post. You were notably one of the founder's only sympathizers. You even tried to broker a deal between the disgraced founder and defenders, with you representing defenders... without informing defenders of what you were doing until AFTER you had made a deal with the disgraced founder!

A seemingly friendly newer defender has suddenly started spouting harsh accusatory OOC rhetoric towards ideological opponents after becoming a regular presence in Libcord? How shocking is that. Not very.

[The Universe World]

Oh no TUW what are you doing

Certainly no more a manufactured victory than stacking the Security Council with proposals amidst the attempt to Liberate TMC. My personal favorite was Liberate Ukraine. Nothing quite like exploiting a tragic real-world event for IC gain!

That wasn't what Liberate Ukraine was, which I made clear many times in its thread. Also, it's very reckless of you to leave out the critical detail of when Liberate Ukraine was submitted. It was before the invasion. Of course, including that detail would be inconvenient for your narrative.

Or how about turning EmbassyRegionia into an OOC issue by focusing on the disgraced founder who was disavowed by every native, primarily because it made it so Independents (most notably The Communist Bloc) would join in? Gosh, so many options!

The disgraced founder brought everyone's focus onto themselves with their conduct, memorably leading to Ike's infamous "My brother in Christ" post. You were notably one of the founder's only sympathizers. You even tried to broker a deal between the disgraced founder and defenders, with you representing defenders... without informing defenders of what you were doing until AFTER you had made a deal with the disgraced founder!

A seemingly friendly newer defender has suddenly started spouting harsh accusatory OOC rhetoric towards ideological opponents after becoming a regular presence in Libcord? How shocking is that. Not very.

Ok, I did not realize that about Liberate Ukraine. I was inactive at the time. I apologize and retract that part then. I am sorry. That was my very frazzled assumption. I do not see how it being before the invasion makes a difference, but I agree it was not problematic like I thought it was.
I was never a sympathizer of the founder. I acted in the best interests of the region by trying to cool down the situation and slowly lead him towards renouncing his views. It did not work. If you search through that thread I denounced his actions multiple times, and unlike me being inactive amidst Liberate Ukraine, you do not have an excuse for not knowing that because you were regularly in the Liberate EmbassyRegionia thread.
Yes, I did broker a deal to get him to apologize because that was the only way he would. And “representing defenders” is an interesting way to put it. TGU was unrecognized by defender orgs then; we were acting in our own interests.
I have been a regular presence in Libcord since April, Syl. I was unable to procure membership for TGU until recently. There is a big difference and I do not see why getting TGU integrated into Libcord would make me worse but being there for eight months under different orgs would not.
That being said, my point about those being manufactured victories stands, albeit not as strongly. Proposal stacking is still a manufactured victory, as was the way EmbassyRegionia was portrayed.
Side note: I was unaware you authored Liberate Ukraine so please do not take that as a personal attack.

[RiderSyl]

I was never a sympathizer of the founder. I acted in the best interests of the region by trying to cool down the situation and slowly lead him towards renouncing his views. It did not work. If you search through that thread I denounced his actions multiple times, and unlike me being inactive amidst Liberate Ukraine, you do not have an excuse for not knowing that because you were regularly in the Liberate EmbassyRegionia thread.
Yes, I did broker a deal to get him to apologize because that was the only way he would. And “representing defenders” is an interesting way to put it. TGU was unrecognized by defender orgs then; we were acting in our own interests.

My excuse is that by the time you were denouncing him instead of reasoning with him, I had mentally checked out on the EmbassyRegionia stuff. I'm going off what I remember being told / complained to about. Seems we're both not-so-great at rehashing things.

I have been a regular presence in Libcord since April, Syl. I was unable to procure membership for TGU until recently. There is a big difference and I do not see why getting TGU integrated into Libcord would make me worse but being there for eight months under different orgs would not.

It's the officiality of it that sucks your decency out - makes you crave darkspawn salt and start relentlessly agenda-posting. Don't say I didn't warn you! I nearly fell to Libcordia too, I was lucky to escape when I did!

Apology accepted re: Lib Ukraine. I wish I would've pulled it from queue, or just written something else.

[The Universe World]

I was never a sympathizer of the founder. I acted in the best interests of the region by trying to cool down the situation and slowly lead him towards renouncing his views. It did not work. If you search through that thread I denounced his actions multiple times, and unlike me being inactive amidst Liberate Ukraine, you do not have an excuse for not knowing that because you were regularly in the Liberate EmbassyRegionia thread.
Yes, I did broker a deal to get him to apologize because that was the only way he would. And “representing defenders” is an interesting way to put it. TGU was unrecognized by defender orgs then; we were acting in our own interests.

My excuse is that by the time you were denouncing him instead of reasoning with him, I had mentally checked out on the EmbassyRegionia stuff. I'm going off what I remember being told / complained to about. Seems we're both not-so-great at rehashing things.

I have been a regular presence in Libcord since April, Syl. I was unable to procure membership for TGU until recently. There is a big difference and I do not see why getting TGU integrated into Libcord would make me worse but being there for eight months under different orgs would not.

It's the officiality of it that sucks your decency out - makes you crave darkspawn salt and start relentlessly agenda-posting. Don't say I didn't warn you! I nearly fell to Libcordia too, I was lucky to escape when I did!

Apology accepted re: Lib Ukraine. I wish I would've pulled it from queue, or just written something else.

Understandable in regards to your misrepresentation of what I did in regards to EmbassyRegionia. Yes, we are both bad at rehashing. Figures.
I’d argue I already relentlessly agenda-post, but in a way that is humorous enough to seem innocent . Albeit I do no crave darkspawn salt; raiders are too nice for me to do so.

[Sedgistan]

Okay, back to Liberate New Westphalia please.

[TheKeyToJoy]

Okay, back to Liberate New Westphalia please.

It got liberated!

[Buddhists of Janra]

Why are nations vote against something they supported at first?

[Rhaza]

Why are nations vote against something they supported at first?

Raiders have been removed from the region, so it's no longer needed.

[WayNeacTia]

Why are nations vote against something they supported at first?

Raiders have been removed from the region, so it's no longer needed.

It was never needed in the first place….

[Quebecshire]

Raiders have been removed from the region, so it's no longer needed.

It was never needed in the first place….

Thank you for your confidence in our ability to always have liberated the region, Wayne! o7

[The Universe World]

Raiders have been removed from the region, so it's no longer needed.

It was never needed in the first place….

Are you sure, Wayneactia? I recall correctly, and I recall that you thought we needed this “manufactured victory” because we were unconfident in our ability to win!

[Ordenstaat Indus]

Full support.

Raiders are the parasitic dredges of humanity: only feeling happy and wanted when they're destroying other peoples communities and happiness. They invade regions with long, storied histories and vibrant communities, and destroy them.

The fact that some people spend hours a day and have 20+ accounts used purely for the purposes of messing with other people on some early 2000s nation simulator game is equal parts baffling and depressing to me.

I agree. The Indus Ordenstaat offers its unconditional support towards Westphalia, and is saddened by the lack of majority votes towards it's liberation. An abstention from supporting territorial and state integrity is a sign of immaturity that should have no place in the World Assembly. Hail Westphalia! Down with the raiders!

[The Universe World]

Full support.

Raiders are the parasitic dredges of humanity: only feeling happy and wanted when they're destroying other peoples communities and happiness. They invade regions with long, storied histories and vibrant communities, and destroy them.

The fact that some people spend hours a day and have 20+ accounts used purely for the purposes of messing with other people on some early 2000s nation simulator game is equal parts baffling and depressing to me.

I agree. The Indus Ordenstaat offers its unconditional support towards Westphalia, and is saddened by the lack of majority votes towards it's liberation. An abstention from supporting territorial and state integrity is a sign of immaturity that should have no place in the World Assembly. Hail Westphalia! Down with the raiders!

It has been liberated, that is why people are voting against it.

[WayNeacTia]

It was never needed in the first place….

Are you sure, Wayneactia? I recall correctly, and I recall that you thought we needed this “manufactured victory” because we were unconfident in our ability to win!

Perhaps you should take some time to get acquainted. before you decide to become Libcord's newest mouthpiece. Think about this? If the region had been called "Bob's Land" instead of "New Westphalia" would this have even been on the radar? I somehow doubt it. Also given the fact that the region is less than year old, and it's only historical significance is the adding of "New" to a historical regional name, makes me think that is is nothing more than Trovons 2.0. As I said a manufactured victory.

I would suggest not giving up your day job. Libcord already has a mouthpiece and you could only dream about holding a candle to him. Merry Christmas.....

[The Aldholt Republic]

Recognizing Free City of Rigia as the legal sovereign of New Westphalia and its community as a long-time native, serving as the delegate multiple times, being the incumbent officeholder, and long-time caretaker of the community prior to the ongoing invasion

The basis for leadership should be democratic and not purely down to this negligible reasoning, ? Nevertheless, the region seemed compliant and dismissive of this, persuading me to cast my vote in favour of its liberation.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Recognizing Free City of Rigia as the legal sovereign of New Westphalia and its community as a long-time native, serving as the delegate multiple times, being the incumbent officeholder, and long-time caretaker of the community prior to the ongoing invasion

The basis for leadership should be democratic and not purely down to this negligible reasoning, ? Nevertheless, the region seemed compliant and dismissive of this, persuading me to cast my vote in favour of its liberation.

Did you even bother reading the thread? The raiders have gone from the region, therefore the Liberation is now surplus to requirements. Therefore, you should be voting against as requested by the OP here.

[The Universe World]

Are you sure, Wayneactia? I recall correctly, and I recall that you thought we needed this “manufactured victory” because we were unconfident in our ability to win!

Perhaps you should take some time to get acquainted. before you decide to become Libcord's newest mouthpiece. Think about this? If the region had been called "Bob's Land" instead of "New Westphalia" would this have even been on the radar? I somehow doubt it. Also given the fact that the region is less than year old, and it's only historical significance is the adding of "New" to a historical regional name, makes me think that is is nothing more than Trovons 2.0. As I said a manufactured victory.

I would suggest not giving up your day job. Libcord already has a mouthpiece and you could only dream about holding a candle to him. Merry Christmas.....

This is a nonstarter. If it was called Bob’s Land then it never would have been raided in the first place.
You specifically called it a manufactured victory because of the liberation proposal.
I am the mouthpiece of no one and nothing but myself and TGU. I have taken stances contradictory to mainstream defenderdom (such as believing that we should defend Sunland and should have defend Moon), and stances contradictory to mainstream raiderdom (such as believing that “maintain a founder, sign a treaty” is false and untrue). I have no day job; I am a student. Merry Christmas.

[Tinhampton]

"Liberate New Westphalia" was defeated 8,884 votes to 6,257. (41.32% support)

Voting ended at 5pm GMT on 22nd December 2022.