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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:27 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Well your opinion is taken into account, but I’ll be proceeding without it. Thank you! :)

I will note for reference that you do not dispute what I say, and the conclusion it leads to; namely, that your friend is not a condemnable nominee.

I’ve already made my case for his condemnability in the OP and my rebuttals - which I maintain. I can repeat myself if it makes you feel better, but yeah, Creeper remains condemnable in spite of your complaints.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:29 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:I will note for reference that you do not dispute what I say, and the conclusion it leads to; namely, that your friend is not a condemnable nominee.

I’ve already made my case for his condemnability in the OP and my rebuttals - which I maintain. I can repeat myself if it makes you feel better, but yeah, Creeper remains condemnable in spite of your complaints.

Creeper remains uncondemnable in spite of your complaints, actually.

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Postby Varanius » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:31 pm

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Quebecshire wrote:I’ve already made my case for his condemnability in the OP and my rebuttals - which I maintain. I can repeat myself if it makes you feel better, but yeah, Creeper remains condemnable in spite of your complaints.

Creeper remains uncondemnable in spite of your complaints, actually.

Let’s see what the voters think about that! You confident bud?
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:34 pm

Varanius wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:Creeper remains uncondemnable in spite of your complaints, actually.

Let’s see what the voters think about that! You confident bud?

'The voters' also voted for Adolf Hitler.

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Postby Thorn1000 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:39 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Varanius wrote:Let’s see what the voters think about that! You confident bud?

'The voters' also voted for Adolf Hitler.

I dont think the voters voted Hitler to where he ended up but alright
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Postby Heidgaudr » Sat Oct 29, 2022 8:06 pm

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Varanius wrote:Let’s see what the voters think about that! You confident bud?

'The voters' also voted for Adolf Hitler.

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Postby Libertarian Switzerland- » Sat Oct 29, 2022 11:39 pm

Heidgaudr wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:'The voters' also voted for Adolf Hitler.

*looks down at clipboard* "Godwin's Law invoked ... Check."

OOC: he’s not saying they’re equivalent to Hitler he’s pointing out an example of the democratic process producing a wrong (and in the end; undemocratic) result.

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By the way, Northumbria’s RPs are very high quality at the moment.
For instance, in war RPs, he captures the thoughts and feelings of the average Northumbrian or Munkcestrian soldier,
few people do that.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:01 am

Libertarian Switzerland- wrote:
Heidgaudr wrote:*looks down at clipboard* "Godwin's Law invoked ... Check."

OOC: he’s not saying they’re equivalent to Hitler he’s pointing out an example of the democratic process producing a wrong (and in the end; undemocratic) result.

OOC: Perhaps using Hitler as an example when debating fictional-UN's recognition of people playing a video game is a bit tasteless?

I digress, looking to move forward on this draft soon since Commend Kringle is off my plate. Might mark it as last call soon, who knows!
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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:28 am

Quebecshire wrote:
Libertarian Switzerland- wrote:OOC: he’s not saying they’re equivalent to Hitler he’s pointing out an example of the democratic process producing a wrong (and in the end; undemocratic) result.

OOC: Perhaps using Hitler as an example when debating fictional-UN's recognition of people playing a video game is a bit tasteless?

I digress, looking to move forward on this draft soon since Commend Kringle is off my plate. Might mark it as last call soon, who knows!

It's true though? Varanius is saying the voters will vote for this, I am providing an example that shows what the voters decide is not always the right choice. And in this case, a vote for this is definitely not the right choice.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:32 am

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Quebecshire wrote:OOC: Perhaps using Hitler as an example when debating fictional-UN's recognition of people playing a video game is a bit tasteless?

I digress, looking to move forward on this draft soon since Commend Kringle is off my plate. Might mark it as last call soon, who knows!

It's true though? Varanius is saying the voters will vote for this, I am providing an example that shows what the voters decide is not always the right choice. And in this case, a vote for this is definitely not the right choice.

And how are you in the position to say that? You’re wrong, and it’s fairly obvious, too.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:36 am

The Orwell Society wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:It's true though? Varanius is saying the voters will vote for this, I am providing an example that shows what the voters decide is not always the right choice. And in this case, a vote for this is definitely not the right choice.

And how are you in the position to say that? You’re wrong, and it’s fairly obvious, too.

Actually I'm right. But do go on, person who admitted they only looked at Creeperopolis's RP after deciding to vote for the condemnation, and explain to me how Creeperopolis is a deserving nominee.

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Postby RemiorKami » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:39 am

-Northumbria wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:And how are you in the position to say that? You’re wrong, and it’s fairly obvious, too.

Actually I'm right. But do go on, person who admitted they only looked at Creeperopolis's RP after deciding to vote for the condemnation, and explain to me how Creeperopolis is a deserving nominee.

Which doesn't take away from the fact that it is high-quality...
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:44 am

-Northumbria wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:And how are you in the position to say that? You’re wrong, and it’s fairly obvious, too.

Actually I'm right. But do go on, person who admitted they only looked at Creeperopolis's RP after deciding to vote for the condemnation, and explain to me how Creeperopolis is a deserving nominee.

I supported the condemnation after reading the draft, which, mind you, is very well-written and convincing. Then, curious, I went back and read a few RMB posts and wiki pages, like these.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:45 am

RemiorKami wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:Actually I'm right. But do go on, person who admitted they only looked at Creeperopolis's RP after deciding to vote for the condemnation, and explain to me how Creeperopolis is a deserving nominee.

Which doesn't take away from the fact that it is high-quality...

I have tried to resist saying the obvious out of politeness, but no, Creeperopolis's RP is not particularly high-quality. Mine isn't either for that matter. Look at Gholgoth's RP and tell me with a straight face that this is equal to what has been written by the members and associates of Gholgoth. And if we are giving out awards for writing wiki articles, Kylaris - and I say this as someone who dislikes the wikification and newspostification of NS RP, and therefore has little time for such so-called RP regions - is a far more deserving nominee.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sun Oct 30, 2022 10:56 am

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RemiorKami wrote:Which doesn't take away from the fact that it is high-quality...

I have tried to resist saying the obvious out of politeness, but no, Creeperopolis's RP is not particularly high-quality. Mine isn't either for that matter. Look at Gholgoth's RP and tell me with a straight face that this is equal to what has been written by the members and associates of Gholgoth. And if we are giving out awards for writing wiki articles, Kylaris - and I say this as someone who dislikes the wikification and newspostification of NS RP, and therefore has little time for such so-called RP regions - is a far more deserving nominee.

Congratulations on finding one part (of fourteen and counting) of one thing mentioned in one clause of the resolution to complain about. Here, I'll do you one better by mentioning only one clause worth of content. Augustus Young and Creeperian annexation of Sequoyan territory. Two comprehensive, detailed, and well developed articles. Two of many.

I'd love to hear more about Kylaris, maybe I'll reach out to them! But this is not a thread about Kylaris. I don't see why their potential C/C-ability has to be mutually exclusive with Creeperopolis', someone with immense contributions both IC and OOC.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:21 am

Quebecshire wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:I have tried to resist saying the obvious out of politeness, but no, Creeperopolis's RP is not particularly high-quality. Mine isn't either for that matter. Look at Gholgoth's RP and tell me with a straight face that this is equal to what has been written by the members and associates of Gholgoth. And if we are giving out awards for writing wiki articles, Kylaris - and I say this as someone who dislikes the wikification and newspostification of NS RP, and therefore has little time for such so-called RP regions - is a far more deserving nominee.

Congratulations on finding one part (of fourteen and counting) of one thing mentioned in one clause of the resolution to complain about. Here, I'll do you one better by mentioning only one clause worth of content. Augustus Young and Creeperian annexation of Sequoyan territory. Two comprehensive, detailed, and well developed articles. Two of many.

I'd love to hear more about Kylaris, maybe I'll reach out to them! But this is not a thread about Kylaris. I don't see why their potential C/C-ability has to be mutually exclusive with Creeperopolis', someone with immense contributions both IC and OOC.

I chose one of your friend’s longer RP posts to be as charitable to them as possible. I don’t care about wiki articles, they’re not RP.

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Postby One Small Island » Sun Oct 30, 2022 11:50 am

-Northumbria wrote:they’re not RP.

In that case factbooks are not RP, as it's roughly the same thing, with the only real difference being that factbooks are onsite.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:05 pm

One Small Island wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:they’re not RP.

In that case factbooks are not RP, as it's roughly the same thing, with the only real difference being that factbooks are onsite.

Correct.
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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:08 pm

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One Small Island wrote:In that case factbooks are not RP, as it's roughly the same thing, with the only real difference being that factbooks are onsite.

Correct.

World building is 100% roleplay. You wouldn’t know, since you’ve done absolutely none of it, which is part of the reason why your RP is so bad…
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Postby Nunaqujjuk » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:10 pm

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Postby -Northumbria » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:15 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:Correct.

World building is 100% roleplay. You wouldn’t know, since you’ve done absolutely none of it, which is part of the reason why your RP is so bad…

No it isn't. It's like the difference between authors worldbuilding and authors actually writing a book. Worldbuilding is not writing the book, worldbuilding is not roleplay.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:19 pm

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The Orwell Society wrote:World building is 100% roleplay. You wouldn’t know, since you’ve done absolutely none of it, which is part of the reason why your RP is so bad…

No it isn't. It's like the difference between authors worldbuilding and authors actually writing a book. Worldbuilding is not writing the book, worldbuilding is not roleplay.

But you can’t have quality RP without some worldbuilding to back it up.
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Postby Doge Land » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:21 pm

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The Orwell Society wrote:World building is 100% roleplay. You wouldn’t know, since you’ve done absolutely none of it, which is part of the reason why your RP is so bad…

No it isn't. It's like the difference between authors worldbuilding and authors actually writing a book. Worldbuilding is not writing the book, worldbuilding is not roleplay.


Well shit, I didn't know we were telling stories.


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Postby Platoon of Peace » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:22 pm

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The Orwell Society wrote:World building is 100% roleplay. You wouldn’t know, since you’ve done absolutely none of it, which is part of the reason why your RP is so bad…

No it isn't. It's like the difference between authors worldbuilding and authors actually writing a book. Worldbuilding is not writing the book, worldbuilding is not roleplay.

Yeah, world building is roleplay. You can't roleplay without a set world or context. And to your simile, when authors write their book, they don't throw you into a story and introduce new things without any context. They build the events and circumstances.

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Postby Nunaqujjuk » Sun Oct 30, 2022 12:30 pm

Platoon of Peace wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:No it isn't. It's like the difference between authors worldbuilding and authors actually writing a book. Worldbuilding is not writing the book, worldbuilding is not roleplay.

Yeah, world building is roleplay. You can't roleplay without a set world or context. And to your simile, when authors write their book, they don't throw you into a story and introduce new things without any context. They build the events and circumstances.

Quebec has a lotta proposals that I've disagreed with recently, but this one is a strange hill to die on. I support this, if the opinion of a largely unimportant nation makes you feel good. :)

In my opinion, worldbuilding is building a world to roleplay on/in
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