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Postby Quebecshire » Tue Oct 25, 2022 3:57 pm

Astrobolt wrote:This is really well written, and I would vote whole heartedly in favour once it reaches the floor.

I do have a couple of suggestions.
Quebecshire wrote:Creeper is a pillar of our community and in particular the roleplay subset of it. While roleplay is not what The League is most known for in circles like gameplay, it's a huge part of our domestic culture and development. Creeper pioneered our use of wiki which has led to scores of quality articles and hundreds/thousands of various smaller ones - with him by far being the most extensive contributor. He's helped integrate and educate new roleplayers, maintained our canon extensively despite new joins and departures, wrote exhaustive storylines, compiled global information, and so on. In general he's an extremely hard worker and goes above and beyond, especially when it comes to tasks others might not want to take up.


I know it might be a challenge with the word count, but I think Creeper the player’s contributions should be mentioned as well. Him essentially helping build and enrich The League’s roleplay subcommunity is worthy of mention. (To stick with the theme of the condemn, perhaps something like that their seemingly helpful behaviour on the international stage, only serves to sanitize the nation’s public image, and prevent their heinous civil rights violations from coming to light?)


Quebecshire wrote:Denouncing the Cooperation and Development Coalition, an international organization spearheaded by Creeperopolis which has used its influence in areas surrounding its members to abet undue foreign interference. Through this organization, Creeperopolis and Salisford have maintained a tight grip on their neighbors, extending their subversion to the southern portions of the continent Ecros, “neo-Sur”,


In this clause, Salisford seems to be introduced in an abrupt manner. (Initially, the clause talks about the entire Cooperation and Development Coalition, but then just mentions Creeper and Salisford, with no context as to what Salisford is, and why they are being mentioned. Would there be any way to briefly give context? (Maybe like 3 words describing it?)


I thought about your feedback for a bit, and unfortunately I think I'm going to have to pass on the first thing. It's unfortunate, because I would like to include Creeper's contributions as a player, but I don't think it's realistic. Creeper's work in roleplay management on an OOC level, regional historical preservation, WA Delegacy success, and more is pretty substantial. But, it's not easy to word as condemnable and we're already at the limit. So this leaves me with two options. One, cut roleplay stuff to include that, or two, to pass on it. While it's unideal and I wish everything could be included, at this point I think I'm going to make the decision based on what I think best fits the character of Creeper's nation and the purpose of this condemn, so I'm going to keep it roleplay-only in light of that and spacing constraints. Thank you for the suggestion, nonetheless, though!

As for the Salisford thing, that's a good point! Salisford is the other primary nation in that alliance, not the face of it in the same way as Creeperopolis is, but essential to the events being discussed in the resolution. I'd like to keep a mention of it in, so I'll see if I can find a way to introduce him easily. In the event that I can't, I will strike it, but I should beable to cook something up.
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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Oct 27, 2022 10:28 am

I've made some edits "spearheaded" to "driven", etc, primarily synonym and style changes to make the character count more acceptable... which brings us to exactly 5,000 characters. Feedback is still open, of course. :)
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Postby Refuge Isle » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:15 pm

Where is the RP located?

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Postby Quebecshire » Thu Oct 27, 2022 12:59 pm

Refuge Isle wrote:Where is the RP located?

A combination of the Regional Message Board and our off-site wiki. Coordination takes place on Discord but (barring very rare exceptions/circumstances) no IC occurrences come from/happen on Discord. Wiki articles typically serve one of two purposes. First, they may function either for historical/lore reasons (there are certain page requirements to be added to the map, for example). They also document events which have been roleplayed on the RMB, and are expected to be referenced as such, a practice Creeper has been adamant about.
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Postby RemiorKami » Thu Oct 27, 2022 3:20 pm

Come to think of it now, I love RP commends. I could see myself supporting this after reading it.
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Postby -Northumbria » Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:02 am

It is an insult to the roleplay community to give a condemnation for RMB RP.

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Postby Heidgaudr » Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:12 am

-Northumbria wrote:It is an insult to the roleplay community to give a condemnation for RMB RP.

I'm sure the roleplay community of nations founded today have strong opinions on a great number of things.
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Postby -Northumbria » Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:36 am

Heidgaudr wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:It is an insult to the roleplay community to give a condemnation for RMB RP.

I'm sure the roleplay community of nations founded today have strong opinions on a great number of things.

I started RPing in 2013. Your snide comment has no relevance.

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Postby United Calanworie » Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:09 am

-Northumbria wrote:It is an insult to the roleplay community to give a condemnation for RMB RP.

I don't really think anyone cares where it happens. If it happens, and it's high quality, there is absolutely no insult attached. It's about the work, not the medium.
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Postby Quebecshire » Fri Oct 28, 2022 11:19 am

United Calanworie wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:It is an insult to the roleplay community to give a condemnation for RMB RP.

It's about the work, not the medium.

Seconding this.

I'm not condemning Creeper for one-liner noob RMB RP. I'm condemning him for partially-RMB RP (some of his most notable works being on the wiki, which is really what he pioneered in our community), which is high quality. His 14-part story about Khrushchev was posted on the RMB, for example, and documented on the wiki.

We use the RMB because it helps our on-site activity and is something every player can easily access, a conscious decision we've made and stood by since early 2017. We aren't a GCR having brand new members post constantly as the first thing they do on the site, so it's a lot more manageable for us.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:28 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
United Calanworie wrote:It's about the work, not the medium.

Seconding this.

I'm not condemning Creeper for one-liner noob RMB RP. I'm condemning him for partially-RMB RP (some of his most notable works being on the wiki, which is really what he pioneered in our community), which is high quality. His 14-part story about Khrushchev was posted on the RMB, for example, and documented on the wiki.

We use the RMB because it helps our on-site activity and is something every player can easily access, a conscious decision we've made and stood by since early 2017. We aren't a GCR having brand new members post constantly as the first thing they do on the site, so it's a lot more manageable for us.

It is about the medium for me though. Also, one-liner RP is not 'noob'. I do it and I have been on NS since 2013.
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Postby Comfed » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:31 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Seconding this.

I'm not condemning Creeper for one-liner noob RMB RP. I'm condemning him for partially-RMB RP (some of his most notable works being on the wiki, which is really what he pioneered in our community), which is high quality. His 14-part story about Khrushchev was posted on the RMB, for example, and documented on the wiki.

We use the RMB because it helps our on-site activity and is something every player can easily access, a conscious decision we've made and stood by since early 2017. We aren't a GCR having brand new members post constantly as the first thing they do on the site, so it's a lot more manageable for us.

It is about the medium for me though. Also, one-liner RP is not 'noob'. I do it and I have been on NS since 2013.

Not sure why the medium at all matters for you though, unless it is borne out of some sense of elitism which would be bizarre given the quality of RP you claim to partake in.
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Postby Varanius » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:32 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:Seconding this.

I'm not condemning Creeper for one-liner noob RMB RP. I'm condemning him for partially-RMB RP (some of his most notable works being on the wiki, which is really what he pioneered in our community), which is high quality. His 14-part story about Khrushchev was posted on the RMB, for example, and documented on the wiki.

We use the RMB because it helps our on-site activity and is something every player can easily access, a conscious decision we've made and stood by since early 2017. We aren't a GCR having brand new members post constantly as the first thing they do on the site, so it's a lot more manageable for us.

It is about the medium for me though. Also, one-liner RP is not 'noob'. I do it and I have been on NS since 2013.

And your one vote is absolutely killer! Go get ‘em!
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:35 pm

Comfed wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:It is about the medium for me though. Also, one-liner RP is not 'noob'. I do it and I have been on NS since 2013.

Not sure why the medium at all matters for you though, unless it is borne out of some sense of elitism which would be bizarre given the quality of RP you claim to partake in.

It's about honour and pride.

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-Northumbria wrote:It is about the medium for me though. Also, one-liner RP is not 'noob'. I do it and I have been on NS since 2013.

And your one vote is absolutely killer! Go get ‘em!

Be as dismissive as you want, but I am right and nothing can change that fact.

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Postby The Orwell Society » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:42 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Comfed wrote:Not sure why the medium at all matters for you though, unless it is borne out of some sense of elitism which would be bizarre given the quality of RP you claim to partake in.

It's about honour and pride.

Varanius wrote:And your one vote is absolutely killer! Go get ‘em!

Be as dismissive as you want, but I am right and nothing can change that fact.

That's rather arrogant of you, Northumbria. Your one-liner, low quality "roleplay" is nothing compared to Creeperopolis's high-quality, well-written pieces (which I have gone back and read, after giving my support for this condemnation). Creeperopolis is more than deserving due to this fact, and the roleplay being on the RMB means nothing.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 4:47 pm

The Orwell Society wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:It's about honour and pride.


Be as dismissive as you want, but I am right and nothing can change that fact.

That's rather arrogant of you, Northumbria. Your one-liner, low quality "roleplay" is nothing compared to Creeperopolis's high-quality, well-written pieces (which I have gone back and read, after giving my support for this condemnation). Creeperopolis is more than deserving due to this fact, and the roleplay being on the RMB means nothing.

Excuse you. My RP is great. Also, here is their RP:

"2022–23 Liga Imperial: Round 15, Match 5
29 October 2022 – 18:00 SST

CF Rubicón 3–0 CF San Pedro

36' GATTONE, Oddone (RUB)
80' GUILLÉN POMAR, Armando (RUB)
86' ALTOMARI, Dalmazio (RUB)

Attendance: 49,638"

Hardly condemnable.

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Postby Varanius » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:04 pm

Perhaps if Northumbria’s SC criticism was as good as Creeper’s RP, he might actually get something done one of these days!

Happy to support this proposal Quebec. You can count the West’s vote for.
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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:10 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
The Orwell Society wrote:That's rather arrogant of you, Northumbria. Your one-liner, low quality "roleplay" is nothing compared to Creeperopolis's high-quality, well-written pieces (which I have gone back and read, after giving my support for this condemnation). Creeperopolis is more than deserving due to this fact, and the roleplay being on the RMB means nothing.

Excuse you. My RP is great. Also, here is their RP:

"2022–23 Liga Imperial: Round 15, Match 5
29 October 2022 – 18:00 SST

CF Rubicón 3–0 CF San Pedro

36' GATTONE, Oddone (RUB)
80' GUILLÉN POMAR, Armando (RUB)
86' ALTOMARI, Dalmazio (RUB)

Attendance: 49,638"

Hardly condemnable.

This is an impressive level of cherrypicking. Even so, it's kind of funny because the post you're quoting is one of the many posts he makes to keep his Liga Imperial information up to date. But who wants to actually look at the rest of the work? Even so, this is a mere single, more recent project of the many things he has done.

Varanius wrote:Happy to support this proposal Quebec. You can count the West’s vote for.



Thank you Vara, The League and Concord greatly appreciate it.
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:14 pm

Varanius wrote:Perhaps if Northumbria’s SC criticism was as good as Creeper’s RP, he might actually get something done one of these days!

Happy to support this proposal Quebec. You can count the West’s vote for.

Our RP styles are basically the same. News-posty, short, only difference is that I post on the forums. Also that mine aren't mostly football results.

Quebecshire wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:Excuse you. My RP is great. Also, here is their RP:

"2022–23 Liga Imperial: Round 15, Match 5
29 October 2022 – 18:00 SST

CF Rubicón 3–0 CF San Pedro

36' GATTONE, Oddone (RUB)
80' GUILLÉN POMAR, Armando (RUB)
86' ALTOMARI, Dalmazio (RUB)

Attendance: 49,638"

Hardly condemnable.

This is an impressive level of cherrypicking. Even so, it's kind of funny because the post you're quoting is one of the many posts he makes to keep his Liga Imperial information up to date. But who wants to actually look at the rest of the work? Even so, this is a mere single, more recent project of the many things he has done.

Varanius wrote:Happy to support this proposal Quebec. You can count the West’s vote for.



Thank you Vara, The League and Concord greatly appreciate it.

I am convinced. You have my full support. Next we should commend/condemn everyone who's written an IIWiki article.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pm

-Northumbria wrote:I am convinced. You have my full support. Next we should commend/condemn everyone who's written an IIWiki article.


Lol okay

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(As a note to other spectators, obviously some of these are small or placeholders depending on the page, but the sheer dedication and size of developed pages speaks for itself).
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Postby Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:16 pm

-Northumbria wrote:I am convinced. You have my full support. Next we should commend/condemn everyone who's written an IIWiki article.

Ooc: The nominee has likely done more work than writing that singular article.

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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:22 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:I am convinced. You have my full support. Next we should commend/condemn everyone who's written an IIWiki article.


Lol okay

(As a note to other spectators, obviously some of these are small or placeholders depending on the page, but the sheer dedication and size of developed pages peaks for itself).

When I was 12 I wrote a lot of IIWiki articles. Does that deserve SC recognition? No. Neither does your friend, sorry.

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Postby Quebecshire » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:23 pm

-Northumbria wrote:
Quebecshire wrote:
Lol okay

(As a note to other spectators, obviously some of these are small or placeholders depending on the page, but the sheer dedication and size of developed pages peaks for itself).

When I was 12 I wrote a lot of IIWiki articles. Does that deserve SC recognition? No. Neither does your friend, sorry.

Well your opinion is taken into account, but I’ll be proceeding without it. Thank you! :)
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Postby -Northumbria » Sat Oct 29, 2022 5:26 pm

Quebecshire wrote:
-Northumbria wrote:When I was 12 I wrote a lot of IIWiki articles. Does that deserve SC recognition? No. Neither does your friend, sorry.

Well your opinion is taken into account, but I’ll be proceeding without it. Thank you! :)

I will note for reference that you do not dispute what I say, and the conclusion it leads to; namely, that your friend is not a condemnable nominee.

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