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[PASSED] - On the Strangers' Bar and Three Walled Bar

PostPosted: Thu Sep 29, 2022 8:47 pm
by Simone Republic
This has been comprehensively rewritten to cover both the Strangers' Bar and the Three Walled Bar, in light with Sedgistan's suggestion below, and with some inspiration from Honeydewistania's draft on Gnome Appreciation.

Draft 6 changes the wording only slightly, dropping the "text-based games" bit.

Category: Declaration

Draft 6
The Security Council,

Noting that the Strangers' Bar and the Three Walled Bar have been key meeting places for ambassadors to gather, whether to merely exchange ideas, discuss serious political issues, engage in old fashioned bar fights, or occasional nuclear attacks;

Noting that despite advances in technologies such as video calls, many diplomats still attend the World Assembly in person, for reasons such as seeking interaction with other species, cultural exchanges, or a lack of better things to do, the usual alternatives being either (a) starting pedantic arguments, (b) starting nuclear wars, or (c) starting nuclear wars due to pedantic arguments;

  1. Hereby expresses its gratitude to the Strangers' Bar for, among other things:
    1. The loyalty of the staff, such as Neville, Violet, Jimmy, and the chef, Dazza, for concocting drinks of all kinds, some barely edible pizzas, occasional free donuts for certain patrons, at least one half-decent sandwich and magical teas; and for enduring such work conditions and not find other jobs such as butcher, health and safety inspector specializing in asbestos, or delegate;
    2. Protection inside from threats from the outside world such as getting mauled down by hippos, lawyers, auditors and, through judicious use of Acme machinery, an absence of weapons, giving ambassadors a place to hide from their bosses, loved ones (emphasis on the plural), debt collectors (again, plural) and assorted enemies;
    3. Protection for the outside world from those inside by letting diplomats brawl, sing karaoke (especially dreadful off-key parodies) or otherwise make themselves "comfortable" inside it (including access to the House of Wonders), as long as the outside world avert their eyes, notwithstanding that the windows of the Strangers' Bar are fairly accessible in order to defenestrate patrons out to the pool;
  2. Hereby expresses its gratitude to the Three Walled Bar for, among other things:
    1. Providing at least one type of drink at a 50% discount to the Strangers' Bar by swiping nearly all drinks and bar supplies from the Strangers' Bar, thus giving less affluent ambassadors a chance to get drunk at a low price and relieve them of their boredom;
    2. Having the (allegedly) deranged Cedric as perennially underpaid bartender, who has been forced to make do with less resources such as having to chop off reindeer heads for decoration and installing the heads themselves, enduring far rowdier patrons, and copping the flak for numerous health and safety violations;
    3. Somehow ending up being far seedier than the Strangers' Bar despite the usual topics of discussion being far more serious such as war, peace, national development and correct use of the semi-colon, versus frivolous discussions on abortions, pedophilia and cannibalism that usually prevail in the Strangers' Bar;
  3. Finally, hereby also expresses its deep appreciation to the founders of the two bars, which have spent countless years nurturing the communities that gather at the two bars today, who unfortunately shall remain nameless due to the constant breaking of walls during the ongoing construction (or destruction) of the bars, complete lack of any rent payments since time immemorial, and other factors beyond the comprehension of drunken bar regulars.


Char count: 3,275

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 10:54 am
by Unibot III
I think the resolution could be stronger if there was an impetus provided for the recognition, like recognizing it as a historical site of cultural importance, or debt relief for boozehound ambassadors, or creating a foundation to ensure that the WA Strangers Bar remains a vibrant, depraved place for years to come. Something to justify why the WASC is talking about the bar.

Also, by popular request, I mentioned both Unibot III and mesothelioma in the same resolution, so hopefully everyone is happy.


Add me back in, you coward. :p

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 11:35 am
by Fachumonn
No.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 12:37 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Fachumonn wrote:No.

For once we are in agreement. I think we can do without lauding a purely GA artefact in the SC.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:52 pm
by The Orwell Society
I don’t think you put a whole lot of thought in the concept… the proposal, yes, but the concept… It should be known that the SC universe simply does not fit well with that of the General Assembly, and seeing as the Stranger’s Bar is a purely GA thing, this would not work. Opposed.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 1:56 pm
by Haganham
No comment on the quality of this particular proposal, but the notion that the SC shouldn't, or cannot recognize GA activity is frankly bizarre.

PostPosted: Fri Sep 30, 2022 2:00 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc
Haganham wrote:No comment on the quality of this particular proposal, but the notion that the SC shouldn't, or cannot recognize GA activity is frankly bizarre.

The SC has shown time and time again that it is happy to recognise individual nation’s achievements in the GA, but this piffle....?

PostPosted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:39 am
by West Barack and East Obama
The Orwell Society wrote:It should be known that the SC universe simply does not fit well with that of the General Assembly,


How? And who are you to proclaim that?


The Orwell Society wrote:and seeing as the Stranger’s Bar is a purely GA thing, this would not work. Opposed.


Declaration on Hippos was a purely UN thing. International Maxtopia Day was an issues and GA thing. How is this different?

That said, I don't think I'll support this. I think other RP institutions should be enshrined/recognised before the Stranger's Bar. The GA is pretty overrepresented in the SC out of the roleplaying communities.

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 3:55 pm
by Wallenburg
Simone Republic wrote:Plentiful supply of all kinds of drinks, from exactly prepared orange julius to mulsum to martinis of all kinds as well as, last but not least, at least 94 different kinds of tea;

"Last time I tried the tea, my colleague near-throttled me for it. Is it really worth the variety if you can't properly access it?"
A wide variety of food stuffs drawn from various World Assembly member states, not all of which containing copious amounts of spam;

"Oh, please. We all know the bar only knows how to make one sandwich, and the rest is overpriced, poorly made, unsanitary dreck."
Protection inside from threats from the outside world such as getting mauled down by hippos or bears;

"Hah! You wish!"
Protection for the outside world from threats inside by letting diplomats brawl, sing karaoke or otherwise make themselves "comfortable" (howsoever defined) inside it;

"Fair enough, although I really must stress that, for a containment chamber, the Bar is awfully porous. The doors aren't even locked, and members are rather prone to exiting via the many stained-glass windows."
Further, specifically expresses its gratitude to the bar staff, including Neville, Violet, Jimmy, Dazza, and others for enduring such interesting work conditions and not finding easier jobs elsewhere such as butcher, lunatic asylum manager, health and safety inspector specializing in asbestos and the supposed "benefits" of mesothelioma, or senator;

"It's hardly too late for them, they may well find desirable employment opportunities as asbestos inspectors once I ban all non-asbestos concretes from use in construction."

PostPosted: Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:09 pm
by Outer Sparta
I'm not sure about this one. And why the WA Strangers' Bar out of all the institutions of the WA?

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 7:42 am
by Sedgistan
Opposed for failing to mention the Security Council's far seedier cheaper Three Walled Bar.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:29 am
by Simone Republic
Draft 3

The Security Council,

Nothing that the World Assembly Headquarters has been a focus of political, cultural and dining experience across the multiverse and in facilitating conversations between ambassadors of different member states;

Convinced that the World Assembly Strangers' Bar, in its 14 years of existence, has made important contributions to the cultural enrichment of the World Assembly and fond memories for the ambassadors and hangers-on that have visited the Bar;

Duly notes that the headquarters is designed for a large number of ambassadors, assistants, assistants' assistants, assistants' assistants' assistants, bag carriers and other such staffers necessary to conduct its business, many of whom signed up for diplomatic service as a result of questionable life choices, and the plentiful supply of food and drinks allow for debt relief for boozehound ambassadors;

Expresses its gratitude that the use of Office of Building Management funding by the said Bar ensures that it is not subject to the oversight of anyone else and creating solid foundation to ensure that the WA Strangers Bar remains a vibrant, depraved place for years to come;

Appreciates that, based on the latest surveys, many envoys remain depraved drunks, weirdos, fruitcakes, miscreants, lunatics as well as at least three uniformed robots and other sentient beings across the multi-verse, and appreciate the ability to enjoy drinks and meals by siphoning funds their expense accounts and any number of other pockets of "spare cash" available, and avoid having to pay out of their meagre salaries for pricier drinking binges at a well-known local pub (which, for liability reasons, still cannot be named despite the passage of time due to the fact that the bar tabs apparently went unpaid after a fireball);

Confesses that despite advances in technologies such as video-conference drinking clubs, many diplomats still attend the WA in person, with common reasons cited including (i) seeking interaction with other sapient species and/or (ii) due to a lack of better things to do, the usual alternatives being either (a) starting pedantic arguments in text-based browser games and/or (b) starting nuclear wars;

Hereby expresses its gratitude to the World Assembly Strangers' Bar for, among other things:

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[*]Plentiful supply of all kinds of overpriced drinks, from exactly prepared orange julius to Roman mulsum to shaken and stirred martinis as well as a wide variety of magical tea (notwithstanding that the Three Walled Bar has drinks at half the price);

[*]A wide selection of food stuffs, including at least one half-decent sandwich and some edible pizza;

[*]Protection inside from threats from the outside world such as getting mauled down by hippos, bears, lawyers, auditors tracking General Fund spending or anyone checking on the compliance of WA resolutions;

[*]Protection for the outside world from threats inside by letting diplomats brawl, sing karaoke or otherwise make themselves "comfortable" (howsoever defined) inside it, as long as the outside world avert their eyes;

[*]Further, specifically expresses its wholesome gratitude to the bar staff, including (on the GA side) Neville, Violet, Jimmy, Dazza, and others for enduring such interesting work conditions and not finding other jobs such as butcher, health and safety inspector specializing in asbestos and the "benefits" of mesothelioma, or senator;

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Hereby declares its deep appreciation and continuing support for the World Assembly Strangers' Bar at the General Assembly.


Draft 2

Fairly minor changes, mostly to cut a couple of jokes for space reasons and add a few more


The Security Council,

Acknowledges that the World Assembly HQ has, since its construction after a fire-ball destroyed the previous facilities, has been a focus of political, cultural and dining experience across the multiverse;

Duly notes that the HQ is designed for a large number of ambassadors, ministers, assistants, assistants' assistants, assistants' assistants' assistants, bag carriers and other such persons deemed necessary to conduct its business, many of whom signed up for diplomatic service as a result of questionable life choices;

Appreciates that, based on the latest surveys, many envoys remain depraved drunks, weirdos, fruitcakes, miscreants, lunatics as well as at least three uniformed robots and other sentient beings across the multi-verse, and appreciate the ability to enjoy drinks and meals by siphoning funds their expense accounts and any number of other pockets of "spare cash" available, and avoid having to pay out of their meagre salaries for pricier drinking binges at a well-known local pub (which, for liability reasons, still cannot be named despite the passage of time;);

Confesses that despite advances in technologies such as video-conference drinking clubs, many diplomats still attend the WA (and both GA and SC) in person, with common reasons cited including (i) seeking interaction with other species and/or (ii) due to a lack of better things to do, the usual alternatives being either (i) starting pedantic arguments in text-based browser games and/or (ii) starting nuclear wars;

Hereby expresses its gratitude to the World Assembly Strangers' Bar on the General Assembly side and the New 3WB (Three Walled Bar) on the Security Council side, for, among other things:

  • Plentiful supply of all kinds of drinks, from exactly prepared orange julius to Roman mulsum to shaken and stirred martinis as well as at least 420 different kinds of tea;
  • A wide selection of food stuffs, including at least one half-decent sandwich;
  • Protection inside from threats from the outside world such as getting mauled down by hippos, bears, lawyers, or auditors tracking General Fund spending;
  • Protection for the outside world from threats inside by letting diplomats brawl, sing karaoke or otherwise make themselves "comfortable" (howsoever defined) inside it, as long as the outside world avert their eyes;
  • Having an open door policy (and plenty of broken windows) at the GA side, thus allowing much of its supplies to be conveniently "moved" to the Three Walled Bar (slogan: ""50% cheaper than the Strangers Bar") at the Security Council and sold definitely at a 50% discount compared to the Strangers' Bar (or even less), thus furthering the meagre budgets of the ambassadors handling matters on both sides of the World Assembly as long as they are sober enough to talk over;

Further, specifically expresses its gratitude to the bar staff, including (on the GA side) Neville, Violet, Jimmy, Dazza, and others for enduring such interesting work conditions and not finding other jobs such as butcher, health and safety inspector specializing in asbestos and the "benefits" of mesothelioma, or senator;

Hereby declares its deep appreciation and continuing support for the World Assembly Strangers' Bar at the General Assembly and the New 3WB at the Security Council.


Draft 1

The World Assembly,

Duly notes that the World Assembly is populated by a large number of ambassadors, ministers, various other secretaries, assistants, assistants' assistants, assistants' assistants' assistants, bag carriers and other such persons deemed necessary to conduct its business, many appointed as a result of questionable life choices;

Further notes that despite advances in technologies, many diplomats still attend to the matters of World Assembly in person rather than remotely, perhaps due to a lack of better things to do, the usual alternatives being either (i) starting pedantic arguments in text based browser games and/or (ii) starting nuclear wars;

Reluctantly acknowledges that ongoing surveys of international envoys show an (un)fortunate prevalence of drunks, weirdos, at least three uniformed robots as well as other fruitcakes, miscreants and lunatics;

Firmly believes that such drunks and misfits are best kept pliant with generous helpings of free food and drink, if only to prevent them from banging their heads against the wall while intoxicated;

Hereby expresses its gratitude to the World Assembly Strangers' Bar for providing, among other things:

  • Plentiful supply of all kinds of drinks, from exactly prepared orange julius to mulsum to martinis of all kinds as well as, last but not least, at least 94 different kinds of tea;
  • A wide variety of food stuffs drawn from various World Assembly member states, not all of which containing copious amounts of spam;
  • Protection inside from threats from the outside world such as getting mauled down by hippos or bears;
  • Protection for the outside world from threats inside by letting diplomats brawl, sing karaoke or otherwise make themselves "comfortable" (howsoever defined) inside it;

Further, specifically expresses its gratitude to the bar staff, including Neville, Violet, Jimmy, Dazza, and others for enduring such interesting work conditions and not finding easier jobs elsewhere such as butcher, lunatic asylum manager, health and safety inspector specializing in asbestos and the supposed "benefits" of mesothelioma, or senator;

Hereby declares its deep appreciation and continuing support for the World Assembly Strangers' Bar.



Sedgistan wrote:Opposed for failing to mention the Security Council's far seedier cheaper Three Walled Bar.


I'll add that in. Usually too drunk in the Strangers' Bar to hop over to the SC side.

Unibot III wrote:
Add me back in, you coward. :p


It's now "three uniformed robots" since I can't add user names.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 9:19 am
by Simone Republic
The Orwell Society wrote:I don’t think you put a whole lot of thought in the concept… the proposal, yes, but the concept… It should be known that the SC universe simply does not fit well with that of the General Assembly, and seeing as the Stranger’s Bar is a purely GA thing, this would not work. Opposed.


I was more focusing on packing in (hopefully funny) jokes for the proposal, so I am quite happy to break certain conventions to make the text funnier. :)

I mean, technically SC#359 does state that "The General Assembly is formally recognized as the adjacent chamber to the Security Council, under the overarching organization of the World Assembly" so in a way I think it does sit awkwardly next to each other.

PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 10:19 am
by RemiorKami
Riding on a "joke" that is so unfunny it almost made me laugh, is not a good way to pass a proposal. No serious thought was put into this proposal.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 8:04 am
by Simone Republic
Humpty Bumpty

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 10:22 am
by Fachumonn
This is x2 worse now.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 12:17 pm
by Wallenburg
"To equate the Strangers' Bar to the Three-Walled Bar borders on insanity. I have already explained how the claims made about the Strangers' Bar are not accurate. By asserting they apply to the Three-Walled Bar, I can only assume intentional dishonesty. In my experience, they don't serve any food to speak of—at least, nothing worth calling food—and don't offer a liquor selection so much as a drink of the day from the two crates they get successfully shipped in across the battlefield that is the third floor of the Security Council campus. Its protective ability is less against the dangers of the outside "world" and more against the dangers of the rest of the Security Council campus, which no sane person would enter without a squadron of troops in tow."

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 6:42 pm
by Excidium Planetis
Acknowledges that the World Assembly HQ has, since its construction after a fire-ball destroyed the previous facilities, has been a focus of political, cultural and dining experience across the multiverse;

Inaccurate. The colossal fireball of extradimensional inanity consumed the entire organization, not just the HQ. In fact, I don't even recall if there was a UN HQ. The WAHQ was not constructed immediately after, but constructed after GA resolution #8 "World Assembly Headquarters", about one month later.

PostPosted: Sun Oct 23, 2022 7:19 pm
by Simone Republic
Excidium Planetis wrote:
Acknowledges that the World Assembly HQ has, since its construction after a fire-ball destroyed the previous facilities, has been a focus of political, cultural and dining experience across the multiverse;

Inaccurate. The colossal fireball of extradimensional inanity consumed the entire organization, not just the HQ. In fact, I don't even recall if there was a UN HQ. The WAHQ was not constructed immediately after, but constructed after GA resolution #8 "World Assembly Headquarters", about one month later.


Well, I can change it to "since its eventual construction" and cut the fireball bit. I am hoping for this to actually be funny although admittedly I am not very good at humour so it's likely to end up being a bunch of dad jokes.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 1:37 am
by Simone Republic
I am incorporating some choice jokes from the first addition here:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=58

And from various other conventions. This will loiter for a couple of months at least but if everything looks good, will submit either for the 7th anniversary of the current version of the Bar (January 2023) or the 14th anniversary (including the first version) in April 2023.

PostPosted: Mon Nov 28, 2022 6:59 am
by Gruenberg
Why can't you leave the WA alone?

PostPosted: Thu Dec 29, 2022 12:30 pm
by Simone Republic
Unibot III wrote:I think the resolution could be stronger if there was an impetus provided for the recognition, like recognizing it as a historical site of cultural importance, or debt relief for boozehound ambassadors, or creating a foundation to ensure that the WA Strangers Bar remains a vibrant, depraved place for years to come. Something to justify why the WASC is talking about the bar.


I'll try to edit that in for the next draft at least the part about the historical site of cultural importance and debt relief bit plus its depravity. I think we can't create anything through a declaration (opinions only as far as I can tell).

Sedgistan wrote:Opposed for failing to mention the Security Council's far seedier cheaper Three Walled Bar.


I've also included mentioning the Three Walled Bar in the SC side but I assume it deserves its own declaration (if this one passes).

This looks like it's more likely to go in April now, not January. Not quite ready yet.

It's been seven years since the new Strangers' Bar started!!

PostPosted: Tue Jan 31, 2023 1:11 am
by Simone Republic
(IC)

Congratulations to the GA campus for running an overpriced bar with crap food for seven years... and coming up on 14 years counting the old bar....

I think time to celebrate with this resolution?

(End IC)

PostPosted: Sat Apr 29, 2023 10:19 am
by Simone Republic
Sedgistan wrote:Opposed for failing to mention the Security Council's far seedier cheaper Three Walled Bar.


This has been revised to incorporate the Three Walled Bar and to thank Cedric on that side as well.

I mean, I am not very good at humour so it's still a very experimental resolution at this stage. (I'd rather not write another commend/condemn/injunct whatever, there are plenty of colleagues in The North Pacific who do this better than I can).

PostPosted: Wed Sep 13, 2023 12:11 am
by Simone Republic
Since Melons is doing a declaration on gnomes, I thought I'd dig this up for comments. This is of course assuming that Neville is not a gnome.

(Update)

Melons has agreed to take a look so this might go through after draft... will be awhile.