[PASSED] Repeal "LGBTIQA Inclusiveness in Schools Act"

[Kenmoria]

I support this repeal, not only for the reasons mentioned but also that this indoctrinating of kids and that clause C could easily be percieved as banning free speech from schools (hate speech deffinetly does fall under free speech!), all in all the resolution was just disgusting and a repeal would be nice

“Your delegation is correct that clause c does limit free speech. It does so in order to prevent harassment of children. I would not regard that as particularly being a flaw, indeed: far from it. Fortunately, the replacement to which the ambassador for the Ice States recently referred includes a similar provision.”

[New-Minneapolis]

[Kenmoria]

“I find myself firmly in favour of this repeal.” Lewitt declares, handing around copies of his analysis. “This repeal is well-argued, even though it does not truly need to be, given the severity of the flaws in the targeted resolution.”

[Philimbesi]

I rise to cast our vote FOR this repeal. As is our continued opinion that the LGBTQIA are guaranteed rights against discrimination by the Charter of Civil Rights as an, "arbitrarily assigned and reductive categorisation", and therefore do not need any specific legislation protecting them, we will not support any further resolutions on the topic.

Nigel S Youlkin
USP Ambassador to the WA.

[Restored Sumeru]

The people of Restored Sumeru vote in favor of repealing this act based on one clause: the hate speech clause. The definition of hate speech shifts more than the sands of the Hypostyle Desert. Who is to say what "hate speech" is? Making violent threats is already illegal since it is a plan for assault or attempted murder. But some people stretch the definition of hate speech too far. We have met foreigners who think saying things like "I don't think children should attend drag shows" or "I would never date a trans woman" constitute hate speech. Those are just opinions. We are in favor of repealing this act and replacing it with one that is more suited to helping LGBTQ people in need (i.e. emphasizing counseling if they feel ostracized, normalization of same-sex relationships, and using an individual-centered model for counseling with regards to gender identity/expression).

-Grand Vizier Alhaitham of Restored Sumeru

[Zaddy Baddy Laddy]

fuck

[Therimenjas]

Therimenjas doesn't favor this repeal at all. One clause in particular was odious. The broad definition of school in the targeted legislation is a feature, not a bug. Furthermore, this excessive concern for cost is unseemly. Shall we welcome a proliferation of cheaper, but less compassionate schools?

[The Swaggerlands]

"Hoping that in the future, the World Assembly stops passing haphazardly written resolutions on the sole basis that they grant rights to certain marginalised groups, and instead consider the technical merit of a proposal before rushing to vote in favour based on premise alone"

You people are actually evil jesus christ

[Land of Bobtopia]

"Hoping that in the future, the World Assembly stops passing haphazardly written resolutions on the sole basis that they grant rights to certain marginalised groups, and instead consider the technical merit of a proposal before rushing to vote in favour based on premise alone"

You people are actually evil jesus christ

i dont think you know what the word evil means. litterally says dont say yes to a poorly written resolution because of the topic, and say yes to resolutions based on the quality of their writing and topic

[Kenmoria]

Therimenjas doesn't favor this repeal at all. One clause in particular was odious. The broad definition of school in the targeted legislation is a feature, not a bug. Furthermore, this excessive concern for cost is unseemly. Shall we welcome a proliferation of cheaper, but less compassionate schools?

“The broad definition of school, Ambassador, is most certainly a flaw. If it is, to use your terminology, a bug, that is merely a mistake. If it were a feature, therefore intentional, that would be deliberately poor policy. Having every single educative institution teach LGBT+ topics means that there is absurd duplication of effort, to the detriment of teachers. Furthermore, there is no reason for a course in functional mathematics, for example, to teach LGBT+ topics. Such topics are, though important, simply not relevant.”

“As for your concern over cost, I would concur that Governments should not make decisions based solely on social concerns. However, there is the issue of a developing nation, where schools might be very rare. Adding additional costs to an environment desperately in need of better education is hardly a positive result. For a wealthy nation, the proliferation of cheaper schools would be an unfortunate side effect. For a poor one, it would be a necessary and vital step in achieving universal education.”

[Princess Rainbow Sparkles]

“The Princess votes FOR this repeal. The repeal argument is sound. At the end it gets a bit prickly toward the target resolution’s author, and a bit unflattering of the whole Assembly membership. But perhaps deservedly so.”
- Deputy Ambassador Roweina.

[Brackerca]

Brackerca will neither vote FOR nor AGAINST this repeal due to being saddened by the fact that it is also supported by many anti-LGBTQIA thinkers as well because of it's policies against hate speech commited against LGBTQIA persons.
On the other hand, also understanding the need to change the broad and unspecific definition of a "school".

Brackerca does support it's clause to give mental health support to students with diverse sexual orientations, gender identity etc. However, we regard importance to mental health in general and believe that resources to support mental health resources should go beyond teaching (not excluding) only these specific issues and would need a legislation of it's own (if one like such has not already been passed).

[Attempted Socialism]

I supported the target resolution originally, and opposed an earlier attempt to repeal it. The intervening time has given me time to reflect. The issue with the definition is -- sadly -- correct, and compounds into being a major flaw. The admonishment in the penultimate line is well taken. I also appreciate that the authors have made an effort to highlight the GA's support for LGBT+ individuals, and to avoid homo- and transphobic arguments. While the repeal is also supported by homo- and transphobes (And their comments are on offer throughout the thread) the GA should not validate them, especially not in a repeal text that can, itself, not be removed.

[Paipo-Paipo]

Paipo-Paipo is against this resolution because what is defined as a School and what is asked of them is perfectly inline with what Schools are supposed to do. One cannot learn if they are hungry, tired, scared or otherwise preoccupied mentally. We stand for marriage equality but not if it has to come as a joke. this is insulting to any people or peoples that have had to fight for their very existence.

[Orifna]

A tall man in a black business suit enters the meeting room, with a blue and green checkered tie, and a blacked-out face, with two white, circular eyes.


"Go ahead with this... the previous resolution was inherently flawed. We must replace it immediately, once it is repealed. As for Orifna's vote?


FOR.

[Hoffley]

The People's Republic Of Hoffley takes a strong stance for inclusivity & treating every person despite minor flaws in the act. Whether an adult or child, gay or straight, whether from the People's Republic or another nation, each man woman and those who perhaps identify as something else are integral to humankind as a whole. Thus, we will be voting AGAINST in our first World Assembly vote to maintain our solidarity with the citizens of the world community. Even if this repeal is passed, we hope this signals to the oppressed peoples of the world community that perhaps just around the corner is a nation fighting for them.

[Russia18]

The World Assembly,

Affirming its stalwart commitment to protecting marginalised communities from discrimination via World Assembly legislation, such as through “Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities”, “Access to Transgender Hormone Therapy”, and “Ending School Segregation”,

Embarrassed, however, by the numerous flaws present within General Assembly Resolution #603 “LGBTIQA Inclusiveness in Schools Act”,

Lambasting the overly broad definition of “school” within GA#603, as “an institution designed for the organised education of students by providing learning spaces and environments”, which includes many entities such as junior football academies, martial arts dojos, and online coding courses,

Understanding that these “schools” consequently have to teach, along with their main educational purpose, a plethora of material concerning sexual orientation, romantic orientation, and gender identity, as well as provide resources to help minors question and accept their identities, even if these are already being provided by the main educational institutions that these students attend, thereby straining vital resources and almost certainly detracting from the primary educational function of these “schools” due to having to provide resources and lessons to all of the minors enrolled therein, hindering the holistic development of said students,

Disappointed that GA#603 requires that “schools” “otherwise support the mental health of students with diverse sexual or romantic orientations or gender identity”, which includes students’ mental health issues beyond being unable to cope with their sexual orientation, romantic orientation or gender identity (and “diverse” would easily cover many people, leaving no doubt as to what the consequences of this are), thus creating more inexcusable costs for these “schools”, as they may need to hire full-time counsellors or take less time covering core material and instead set time aside for therapy (for example), not to mention the inefficiency of it, since all of this would had already been provided in schools,

Stressing that these mandates not only detract from the primary educational function of these more specialized institutions, but in some cases also stop them from serving the primary educational purpose entirely, because running the normal operation as well as managing a system to identify minors using the learning space or environment, teaching them gender and sexual or romantic orientation material, and providing and funding resources to help every single user, (which may be thousands or even millions of people) come to terms with their gender identity, sexual orientation, or romantic orientation is simply financially impossible in the overwhelming majority of instances,

Concluding that GA#603 is an unmistakably flawed and poorly constructed piece of legislation, and that there is little reason for it to continue to be enforced as international law, and

Hoping that in the future, the World Assembly stops passing haphazardly written resolutions on the sole basis that they grant rights to certain marginalised groups, and instead consider the technical merit of a proposal before rushing to vote in favour based on premise alone, hereby:

Repeals General Assembly Resolution #603, “LGBTIQA Inclusiveness in Schools Act”.

Co-author: Minskiev, Dokansia
Target: https://www.nationstates.net/page=WA_pa ... /council=1

Dimitri looked at the proposal while rubbing his nose before looking at its author and spoke with a Russian accent, " Why should the Alphabet brigade get special treatment at all?"

[Spookystan]

Spookystan has never before spoken for or against any WA or SC proposal, but wtf is wrong with y’all that you’d support, never mind author and submit, such a sh*tty resolution? Ffs, no nation’s education system would tank because of the inclusiveness act; it’s a means of showing solidarity with the marginalized populations the repeal proposal pays lip service to. Sheesh, youse reactionaries.

[Orifna]

fuck

...Excuse me-?

[Princess Rainbow Sparkles]

...Excuse me-?

OOC: The debate in this thread is effectively dead. Most of us are just waiting for passage to be official so we can congratulate/curse the author and then file it away in the archives.

There is absolutely no reason for you to be highlighting a single word of profanity from a user who made that one post before being insta-deleted.

[Juansonia]

Spookystan has never before spoken for or against any WA or SC proposal, but wtf is wrong with y’all that you’d support, never mind author and submit, such a sh*tty resolution? Ffs, no nation’s education system would tank because of the inclusiveness act; it’s a means of showing solidarity with the marginalized populations the repeal proposal pays lip service to. Sheesh, youse reactionaries.

"The target resolution is flawed, and repealing it is the only way to fix said flaws. A replacement has already been drafted." - Maria-Fernanda Novo, WA Ambassador for the Armed Republic of Juansonia

OOC: The author, Honeydewistania, is trans. If this proposal was written for reactionary reasons, they were entirely IC, and fail to reflect on her OOC.

[Tinhampton]

Repeal "LGBTIQA Inclusiveness in Schools Act" was passed 12,188 votes to 4,385. (73.54% support)

[Macadia]

This was repealed and I wasn’t here for it? Awww