[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

[PokemonGirl]

Really wish these resolutions were made in layman's terms. From what I'm gathering via the arguments basically some poor little religion feels oppressed, and the opposition is like "you're fascists so good, get wrecked"

Reminds me of a certain other problem and I sing my national anthem as a response to the great contrarian philosophical question: Is X or Y more based?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giZFEXXbUvU

[WayNeacTia]

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

[RiderSyl]

Reminds me of a certain other problem and I sing my national anthem as a response to the great contrarian philosophical question: Is X or Y more based?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giZFEXXbUvU

Thanks for the word salad.

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

Probably going for a refound.

[The Universe World]

Reminds me of a certain other problem and I sing my national anthem as a response to the great contrarian philosophical question: Is X or Y more based?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giZFEXXbUvU

Thanks for the word salad.

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

Probably going for a refound.

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

Really wish these resolutions were made in layman's terms. From what I'm gathering via the arguments basically some poor little religion feels oppressed, and the opposition is like "you're fascists so good, get wrecked"

Reminds me of a certain other problem and I sing my national anthem as a response to the great contrarian philosophical question: Is X or Y more based?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giZFEXXbUvU

The opposition never claimed they are fascist. They claimed that the founder changed the definition of fascism for their embassy policy in order to keep embassies with fascist regions.

[WayNeacTia]

Thanks for the word salad.



Probably going for a refound.

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

[The Universe World]

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

They never said they wanted to refound the region; Rider theorized that that was their goal. Also, Grea and HumanSanity confirmed that they have talked with them; albeit they did not specifically refer to “advice”. I have also been talking with them, but I can confirm that I never gave them this advice.

[Platoon of Peace]

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

complains about people advertising what they are doing

proceeds to advertise what they are doing
i'd make a joke about your sig but that's kinda low hanging fruit

[The Universe World]

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

complains about people advertising what they are doing

proceeds to advertise what they are doing
i'd make a joke about your sig but that's kinda low hanging fruit

It may be low hanging fruit, but it is deserved. Wayne is a good person, but they can be extremely smug.

[WayNeacTia]

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

complains about people advertising what they are doing

proceeds to advertise what they are doing
i'd make a joke about your sig but that's kinda low hanging fruit

In your haste to grab a couple of points, there is one major difference that apparently you fail to grasp. I have absolutely nothing to lose. If they try and refound and I miss it, I go on about my day. If they miss, they lose the region permanently. I would make a joke about how easy it would be to figure that out, but that's kind of low hanging fruit......

[RiderSyl]

Okay hold your horses folks

Wayne is criticizing the advertisement of an act natives should want to keep secret because it being advertised can mess it up

Wayne advertising that he'll be part of any attempted refound sniping of ER is not a contradiction because there's no benefit to keeping that a secret, he and every other raider is going to be trying to snipe that and everyone knows it.

[Platoon of Peace]

complains about people advertising what they are doing

proceeds to advertise what they are doing
i'd make a joke about your sig but that's kinda low hanging fruit

In your haste to grab a couple of points, there is one major difference that apparently you fail to grasp. I have absolutely nothing to lose. If they try and refound and I miss it, I go on about my day. If they miss, they lose the region permanently. I would make a joke about how easy it would be to figure that out, but that's kind of low hanging fruit......

obviously it's not the same. I was just pointing out how it was a bit ironic that you were complaining about something you just did, even if the circumstances were quite different.

[The Universe World]

Again, the natives/Swaklaton never mentioned refounding. It is just a theory, and we should treat it as such.

[WayNeacTia]

In your haste to grab a couple of points, there is one major difference that apparently you fail to grasp. I have absolutely nothing to lose. If they try and refound and I miss it, I go on about my day. If they miss, they lose the region permanently. I would make a joke about how easy it would be to figure that out, but that's kind of low hanging fruit......

obviously it's not the same. I was just pointing out how it was a bit ironic that you were complaining about something you just did, even if the circumstances were quite different.

Perhaps I was trying to drive home the point, that certain things should be held close to the chest and not advertised for everyone to see.....

Again, the natives/Swaklaton never mentioned refounding. It is just a theory, and we should treat it as such.

Then the region can stagnate behind a password until it eventually CTE's. Either way another embassy spammer has bit the dust and the game is better off because of it.....

[RiderSyl]

Again, the natives/Swaklaton never mentioned refounding. It is just a theory, and we should treat it as such.

"Just a theory"... I'd like to know what alternate explanation has more merit than the refound theory.

[Wallenburg]

Really wish these resolutions were made in layman's terms. From what I'm gathering via the arguments basically some poor little religion feels oppressed, and the opposition is like "you're fascists so good, get wrecked"

This resolution is written in lay terms. I have no clue where you got a religious component from.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Thanks for the word salad.



Probably going for a refound.

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

OMG! Please don't refound it.
Do you know what TUW? I entirely give up. Please don't have the region refounded. It's nearly a year old at this point and I do not want all of that history to be destroyed. If The Embassy can function without an active founder than so can EmbassyRegionia.

I am well aware that no defenders have actually suggested refounding EmbassyRegionia at this point but still..

That cannot happen. Just think about it.

Swaklaton really shouldn't ban me... but I may (hesitantly) accept it...

Just because EmbassyRegionia is founderless now, that doesn't mean that it needs a founder (just like the GCRs or other UCRs like The Communist Bloc)

That statement/suggestion absolutely terrified me.

Just please don't refound the region that I've worked so hard on prior to my March 24 DEAT.

I'll just never change my opinions on Fascism...

I technically didn't have embassies with regions that fell under my definition of fascism but now that there's rarely any embassies left other than the raiders who participated in the raid. These embassies are being withdrawn now & reconstruction of the embassies can potentially take place now.

Besides, the region has already been featured not long after its founding.

Just think about the negative consequences of refounding it.

We had about 1,170 embassies at our peak. EmbassyRegionia is so important to me at this point. I do not want a refound to take place... please.

All they need is to implement a password and things should go well. The Embassy has a password afterall and it's also founderless like EmbassyRegionia but noone had ever suggested refounding it... because significant things happened there.

Seeing that your statement was enough to scare me. I don't want the region to be refounded. I'd rather have EmbassyRegionia exist in its current incarnation (the one that I founded)

Not being able to return to my region is one thing, but having the region be refounded is a totally different thing that I am totally against.

Also, the fact that EmbassyRegionia was founded by its namesake nation also makes it pretty peculiar.

EmbassyRegionia has been through far too many important things to be refounded. I am begging you to allow the region to exist as it does now.

I'd rather not be allowed to return than have the region be refounded.

well, being banned wouldn't be a great thing but... EmbassyRegionia being destroyed is also not a good thing...

Besides running a founderless UCR is possible... I promise that EmbassyRegionia doesn't need a founder to thrive and that it's a very bad idea to refound the region for multiple different reasons.

Swaklaton doesn't have to refound EmbassyRegionia. I want it to keep existing.

Please just forbid my return and that will be enough...

Well, considering that the Raid would've probably succeeded anyways with or without The Hurricane's involvement, I am not so mad at him...
Yes I was just following the 6 rules. Yes, I had the power to change them at my will.

No, I didn't have to change them. No, I didn't make any mistakes. I didn't have anything to apologize for.

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

My Embassy Policy and obscure definitions of what constitutes 'fascism' along with the embassies with regions that don't fall under these definitions (even if they're neo-nazi) shall remain enforced forever...

That's what I would've said if I had any power left...

That… doesn't make any sense. There is NO REASON whatsoever to refuse to change your policy to leave out all fascists except the fact that you just can't admit when you're wrong. There are over 20,000 regions to have embassies with. I'll be willing to bet that less than 2% are fascists. If you want any hopes of putting your reputation on this site back together, you must admit your wrongdoing like a decent human being.

Well, Swaklaton is our delegate... and seeing that some have suggested a refound (which I would absolutely hate to happen)

I am not sure what to say...

Um... I may be the founder but Swaklaton is the executive delegate... so, it's probably very unlikely that my policies would apply to the region anymore.

Saying that I constructed embassies with "an awful amount" of fascist regions is pretty nonsensical. I never engaged in open diplomacy with these regions whatsoever. They were never even considered to be "allies" at all.

I just created a policy where only regions that fall under 6 descriptions and descriptors cannot propose embassies with me.

I had never conversed with any Fascist in EmbassyRegionia thus far.

It wasn't something that I deserved to be raided for... but y'all need to stop positioning yourselves against my embassy policies to begin with? That's not even something that I can not understand.

If the anti-fascists were so tempered by my region's way of constructing embassies with certain region (even if they're neo-nazis) then one thing that can be said is that closing about 1,170 embassies that we once had is one of the most terrible solutions to dealing with anti-fascism I've ever heard of.

While I created the obscure list many months ago.

I was also the one who allowed for Swaklaton to become Delegate anyway just before I got mod-deleted...

Why can't I refuse to admit my wrongdoings however? It's not like there were even any wrongdoings that I committed.

I'm sorry, that's just the truth. I am only being genuine to my own former ways of running things in EmbassyRegionia before the brief raid of April 5th to April 9th.

I actually favored Swaklaton's delegacy prior to the mod-deletion on March 24th.

I am a decent human being in my own way... I feel like...

Swaklaton is an executive delegate but shouldn't refound it because EmbassyRegionia is far too important for many reasons for a refound to take place. So, I hope that this theory or suggestion doesn't turn out to be true.

Well Nazi Italians would almost certainly have more in common with Mussolinist Fascists for sure


OMG, you are absolutely right!

Banning the founder from their own region that they've worked so hard on building up embassies for over the span of nearly a year is obviously better judgement. How could I be so foolish?



Well, I do have plans on taking refuge for an uncertain amount of time in another region should the remaining natives display any unacceptably towards me in EmbassyRegionia. However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse


Well, attempting to seize back any sort of control over my region is very hopeless for me at this point.

I suppose that (if the natives don't want me back) I'll just create an anonymous alt-account and smuggle it inside of the region for safekeeping just before a password is established.

Nobody would ever be able to tell who the alt puppet belongs to. So, I think that I'd be completely safe from that puppet being banned.



Nope.

Multiple raiders unwarrantedly seized the delegacy from the natives in a relatively defenseless region without a password before committing the absolutely horrendous acts of regional vandalism and embassy griefing.

In what universe other than The Great Universe does that make me the "real villain"?


"The raiders did their thing and left"

Yeah. They certainly "did their thing"... by forming a coalition to ambush the native delegate, ban multiple residents/defenders and obliterate over over 1,000 hard-earned embassies that I (the founder) had worked so hard single-handedly to construct. So much for "Embassies4Breakfast is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders".

Also, the embassy setup would've worked well for the region before the vandals from foreign lands arrived to cause some trouble and unnecessarily reduced our embassies to only being established with regions that participated in the unnecessary raid that entirely destroyed every other embassy we used to have.

You really should've respected my embassy policy along with all the others who had a problem with it. You cannot learn to respect my formally applied rules now, can you? Listen, the embassy policy which dictated how EmbassyRegionia operates and regulates its embassies wasn't something that needed to be used as justification for TCB among others to assist in an attack by mere vandals.


*yawn*

Yep. You (among others) brought on the destruction of over 1,000 embassies while essentially allowing the non-native vandal (Venico) among many of their other ROs to suppress posts (including my own) and even ban the founder (me) from the region for a brief period of time during the raid.

Don't relate me to a "Fascism Fiasco" just because many Nazi Regions don't qualify under the 6 specific rules that I mandated for the region.


I dug very deep down into the earth's core for sure. The only thing that was found down there were some [url=nationstates.net/nation=Swaklaton]Swaklaton]Golden Riches[/url]


The ambiguity of the situation was the fact that so many were able to find justification in my telegram for assisting illegal vandals.



Nope.

The blame cannot be partially pushed onto me.

If anyone is to blame for TCB's involvement in the raid to begin with, then it should be The Black Hawks. In particular (Triseria) who was a notable catalyst for the events that initiated the involvement of TCB among others in the raid on my region.

Besides, didn't The Hurricane betray us at some point during the raid?


Hey, I'm not the one who got the anti-fascists to join the raid. I created a list of rules and these anti-fascists couldn't respect that. Also, I believe that the anti-fascist forces actually inflicted alot more than just "a little bit of" damage in my region in terms of embassies. If they wouldn't have gotten involved, all of these embassies could've been saved by now smh.


Ok.

Since your primary reasoning here is that you were the one building embassies, I will make an offer. I have amassed a collection of embassies larger than yours (and at times much larger than yours). I can handle embassies, and Swaklaton can handle everything else (unless the natives want me to do more).

Again, you are the real villain because you provoked TCB and a few other anti-fascists to join. And, per New Astri, the defenders likely could've taken over at one of the updates and saved the embassies.

In regards to The Hurricane, I am also greatly disappointed in him. But he was one man. Him staying with the defenders would not have saved the embassies.

I understand. One individual most definitely isn't to blame for the raid (of so many individuals) succeeding.

I also understand that you have grown your embassies to epic proportions I will admit.

Sure, I am totally fine with this idea... you have certainly proven yourself to be dedicated in mass-proposing embassies for regions.

Contrary to what Wayneactia says, embassy collectors can be pretty important for increasing socialization between other players and interregional communication...

Also, it was stated by me (in my reply to cyberstrom) that The Hurricane was not totally at fault for the raid succeeding anyways as the embassies would've probably closed without The Hurricane's assistance.

I still maintain that I am not the real villain.

TCB got involved in a raid that they should've never been involved with. They helped to destroy an entire embassy network that I worked so hard on. The fact that you're suggesting something as ludicrous as refounding the region (which I don't want to happen) would make all of the embassies that I've managed to establish prior to the raid even more pointless.

I am not sure if you'll disagree with me... but refounding EmbassyRegionia is a very bad idea for sure... my region is far too important and should be preserved... regardless of my (the founder's) actions.

SCREAMING. this dude is really gonna be continuing to make Everyone Involved hate him right up until the vote finishes and this thread shuts. impressive feat to have your region raided and fuck up so bad in literally every statement you make afterwards that you're the one (1) person Literally Everyone Involved is equally mad at. man's gonna catch an award for Least Successful In Any Thread Ever. why would you even publicly announce intent to sneak into a region where nobody likes you that is such a bad idea

I am well aware that nobody likes me within my region.

However, I still founded it and helped Swaklaton to be elected as delegate.

The least that Swaklaton could do is allow me to reside there (even if the delegate doesn't allow me to become an RO)

Everybody hates me for refusing to say that my embassy policy was wrong. Why should I be forced to regret something? Where's the freedom in that? Why can't I be entitled to freedom of expression?

It's not like I openly engaged with Nazi regions. I just don't consider all Nazis to be fascists... so I allow them to construct embassies with me. It doesn't mean that I am trying to allow them to be "allies" of my region.

That wasn't my intention. I just approve their embassies... because they (and I cannot stress this enough) do not fall under my 6 definitions for what constitutes as a "fascist" nobody can respect that... but why?!?

Anyways... everybody does seem to be against me in this thread... that's something that I agree with.

The least that y'all can do is preserve my region and allow it to continue existing without a refound. I do not like that suggestion that Wayneactia or The Universe World put forth.

However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse

I am sure they will figure out how to spam embassies just as effectively as you were able to..... For the record, you supporting fascism is just the icing on the cake. I was just delighted to watch another embassy spammer burnt to the ground. In my opinion, no one should have pulled out. They should have damned the torpedoes' and finished the job, liberation be damned.........

I disagree.

Proposing embassies genuinely requires lots of muscle power... it was so exhausting every time I did it... but that certainly proves dedication for sure...

Also, Embassy Collectors are genuinely important anyways... they allow for interregional communication, allow users (with potentially similar interests) from multiple different regions to converse with one another without needing to have a direct embassy between their respective regions & allows different regions to advertise themselves.

Also, how do I "support fascism" if I only consider certain things to be truly fascist and are therefore, unable to have an embassy with my region? That's quite literally what I said in the telegram... didn't I?

Say whatever you desire but EmbassyRegionia shouldn't have been finished off... EmbassyRegionia was alot more than "just an embassy spammer"

I am honestly so glad that the region got liberated... those raiders were vandals who couldn't let the region do its own thing and continue proposing embassies...

That… doesn't make any sense. There is NO REASON whatsoever to refuse to change your policy to leave out all fascists except the fact that you just can't admit when you're wrong. There are over 20,000 regions to have embassies with. I'll be willing to bet that less than 2% are fascists. If you want any hopes of putting your reputation on this site back together, you must admit your wrongdoing like a decent human being.

Considering they have been justifying their embassy policy to accept any sort of fascist regions, I wouldn't count on that.

Well... why can't I? "Because fascism is wrong and you're making excuses for them" isn't an answer... I don't even consider some Nazis to be "true fascist" anyways...

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

Can't you just allow me to smuggle a puppet please?!?

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

This summarizes well the last few pages, and we'd do well to stop trying to get them to change.

Yeah.

Well... this has got me in a pickle... I honestly refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing but...
Try to get me to change by helping raiders grief an embassy network and vandalize the WFE...

That will certainly get me to change my mind...

This summarizes well the last few pages, and we'd do well to stop trying to get them to change.

At this point, most of us are not trying. We are just enjoying the show.

Well I'm not "enjoying the show"

I don't like the fact that none of my potential contributions are being recognized...

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

The region was very much alive before raiders came to ruin everything.

It could still be alive after it passworded anyways...

Reminds me of a certain other problem and I sing my national anthem as a response to the great contrarian philosophical question: Is X or Y more based?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=giZFEXXbUvU

Thanks for the word salad.

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

Probably going for a refound.

Please don't...

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

Hmm... SBBF wasn't refounded and still became a trophy (I wasn't even on NationStates at the time)

Anyways, I sure hope that nobody intends to refound EmbassyRegionia.

That would certainly degrade its importance, the fact that it was featured and the fact that it went through a raid last week.

The goal should be to help it recover from the raid and not to destroy a region of substantial importance for a refound...
Anyways, are some defenders truly "defenders" if they support the refounding of regions like mine after liberation? I wouldn't desire a refound to take place...

That's what you think... EmbassyRegionia should be allowed to continue its existence for a long time and not stagnate behind a password...

Some Embassy Collectors weren't even Embassy Collectors until the embassy feature was introduced in 2011 (like Hollow Point & Fredonia).

So, please continue on about how the game would be better off without "embassy spammers" when some Embassy Collectors have been here for almost as long as the game itself.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

It's not like I openly engaged with Nazi regions. I just don't consider all Nazis to be fascists... so I allow them to construct embassies with me.
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I just approve their embassies... because they (and I cannot stress this enough) do not fall under my 6 definitions for what constitutes as a "fascist" nobody can respect that... but why?!?
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Also, how do I "support fascism" if I only consider certain things to be truly fascist and are therefore, unable to have an embassy with my region? That's quite literally what I said in the telegram... didn't I?
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Well... why can't I? "Because fascism is wrong and you're making excuses for them" isn't an answer... I don't even consider some Nazis to be "true fascist" anyways...

You clearly do not understand WHY people don't want you to build embassies with fascists, if you think it's fine if they're just Nazis and "not fascists." We're not asking asking you to specifically not build embassies with Italian fascists, we're asking you to not tolerate ....Naizs. Hate. Etc. Your definition of what a "true fascist" is, is irrelevant. You shouldn't build embassies with nazis, or neonazis, or whatever the hell you want to call them.

[The Universe World]

There is a lot to talk about here. Oh boy…

Refounding would actually not be a bad idea. Since the embassies are already gone, this might work. Swaklaton could become founder since he now rules the region (which would also mostly remove the risk of a raid), and they would not have to stifle the region and it’s community.

OMG! Please don't refound it.
Do you know what TUW? I entirely give up. Please don't have the region refounded. It's nearly a year old at this point and I do not want all of that history to be destroyed. If The Embassy can function without an active founder than so can EmbassyRegionia.

I am well aware that no defenders have actually suggested refounding EmbassyRegionia at this point but still..

That cannot happen. Just think about it.

Swaklaton really shouldn't ban me... but I may (hesitantly) accept it...

Just because EmbassyRegionia is founderless now, that doesn't mean that it needs a founder (just like the GCRs or other UCRs like The Communist Bloc)

That statement/suggestion absolutely terrified me.

Just please don't refound the region that I've worked so hard on prior to my March 24 DEAT.

I'll just never change my opinions on Fascism...

I technically didn't have embassies with regions that fell under my definition of fascism but now that there's rarely any embassies left other than the raiders who participated in the raid. These embassies are being withdrawn now & reconstruction of the embassies can potentially take place now.

Besides, the region has already been featured not long after its founding.

Just think about the negative consequences of refounding it.

We had about 1,170 embassies at our peak. EmbassyRegionia is so important to me at this point. I do not want a refound to take place... please.

All they need is to implement a password and things should go well. The Embassy has a password afterall and it's also founderless like EmbassyRegionia but noone had ever suggested refounding it... because significant things happened there.

Seeing that your statement was enough to scare me. I don't want the region to be refounded. I'd rather have EmbassyRegionia exist in its current incarnation (the one that I founded)

Not being able to return to my region is one thing, but having the region be refounded is a totally different thing that I am totally against.

Also, the fact that EmbassyRegionia was founded by its namesake nation also makes it pretty peculiar.

EmbassyRegionia has been through far too many important things to be refounded. I am begging you to allow the region to exist as it does now.

I'd rather not be allowed to return than have the region be refounded.

well, being banned wouldn't be a great thing but... EmbassyRegionia being destroyed is also not a good thing...

Besides running a founderless UCR is possible... I promise that EmbassyRegionia doesn't need a founder to thrive and that it's a very bad idea to refound the region for multiple different reasons.

Swaklaton doesn't have to refound EmbassyRegionia. I want it to keep existing.

Please just forbid my return and that will be enough...

That… doesn't make any sense. There is NO REASON whatsoever to refuse to change your policy to leave out all fascists except the fact that you just can't admit when you're wrong. There are over 20,000 regions to have embassies with. I'll be willing to bet that less than 2% are fascists. If you want any hopes of putting your reputation on this site back together, you must admit your wrongdoing like a decent human being.

Well, Swaklaton is our delegate... and seeing that some have suggested a refound (which I would absolutely hate to happen)

I am not sure what to say...

Um... I may be the founder but Swaklaton is the executive delegate... so, it's probably very unlikely that my policies would apply to the region anymore.

Saying that I constructed embassies with "an awful amount" of fascist regions is pretty nonsensical. I never engaged in open diplomacy with these regions whatsoever. They were never even considered to be "allies" at all.

I just created a policy where only regions that fall under 6 descriptions and descriptors cannot propose embassies with me.

I had never conversed with any Fascist in EmbassyRegionia thus far.

It wasn't something that I deserved to be raided for... but y'all need to stop positioning yourselves against my embassy policies to begin with? That's not even something that I can not understand.

If the anti-fascists were so tempered by my region's way of constructing embassies with certain region (even if they're neo-nazis) then one thing that can be said is that closing about 1,170 embassies that we once had is one of the most terrible solutions to dealing with anti-fascism I've ever heard of.

While I created the obscure list many months ago.

I was also the one who allowed for Swaklaton to become Delegate anyway just before I got mod-deleted...

Why can't I refuse to admit my wrongdoings however? It's not like there were even any wrongdoings that I committed.

I'm sorry, that's just the truth. I am only being genuine to my own former ways of running things in EmbassyRegionia before the brief raid of April 5th to April 9th.

I actually favored Swaklaton's delegacy prior to the mod-deletion on March 24th.

I am a decent human being in my own way... I feel like...

Swaklaton is an executive delegate but shouldn't refound it because EmbassyRegionia is far too important for many reasons for a refound to take place. So, I hope that this theory or suggestion doesn't turn out to be true.

Since your primary reasoning here is that you were the one building embassies, I will make an offer. I have amassed a collection of embassies larger than yours (and at times much larger than yours). I can handle embassies, and Swaklaton can handle everything else (unless the natives want me to do more).

Again, you are the real villain because you provoked TCB and a few other anti-fascists to join. And, per New Astri, the defenders likely could've taken over at one of the updates and saved the embassies.

In regards to The Hurricane, I am also greatly disappointed in him. But he was one man. Him staying with the defenders would not have saved the embassies.

I understand. One individual most definitely isn't to blame for the raid (of so many individuals) succeeding.

I also understand that you have grown your embassies to epic proportions I will admit.

Sure, I am totally fine with this idea... you have certainly proven yourself to be dedicated in mass-proposing embassies for regions.

Contrary to what Wayneactia says, embassy collectors can be pretty important for increasing socialization between other players and interregional communication...

Also, it was stated by me (in my reply to cyberstrom) that The Hurricane was not totally at fault for the raid succeeding anyways as the embassies would've probably closed without The Hurricane's assistance.

I still maintain that I am not the real villain.

TCB got involved in a raid that they should've never been involved with. They helped to destroy an entire embassy network that I worked so hard on. The fact that you're suggesting something as ludicrous as refounding the region (which I don't want to happen) would make all of the embassies that I've managed to establish prior to the raid even more pointless.

I am not sure if you'll disagree with me... but refounding EmbassyRegionia is a very bad idea for sure... my region is far too important and should be preserved... regardless of my (the founder's) actions.

SCREAMING. this dude is really gonna be continuing to make Everyone Involved hate him right up until the vote finishes and this thread shuts. impressive feat to have your region raided and fuck up so bad in literally every statement you make afterwards that you're the one (1) person Literally Everyone Involved is equally mad at. man's gonna catch an award for Least Successful In Any Thread Ever. why would you even publicly announce intent to sneak into a region where nobody likes you that is such a bad idea

I am well aware that nobody likes me within my region.

However, I still founded it and helped Swaklaton to be elected as delegate.

The least that Swaklaton could do is allow me to reside there (even if the delegate doesn't allow me to become an RO)

Everybody hates me for refusing to say that my embassy policy was wrong. Why should I be forced to regret something? Where's the freedom in that? Why can't I be entitled to freedom of expression?

It's not like I openly engaged with Nazi regions. I just don't consider all Nazis to be fascists... so I allow them to construct embassies with me. It doesn't mean that I am trying to allow them to be "allies" of my region.

That wasn't my intention. I just approve their embassies... because they (and I cannot stress this enough) do not fall under my 6 definitions for what constitutes as a "fascist" nobody can respect that... but why?!?

Anyways... everybody does seem to be against me in this thread... that's something that I agree with.

The least that y'all can do is preserve my region and allow it to continue existing without a refound. I do not like that suggestion that Wayneactia or The Universe World put forth.

I am sure they will figure out how to spam embassies just as effectively as you were able to..... For the record, you supporting fascism is just the icing on the cake. I was just delighted to watch another embassy spammer burnt to the ground. In my opinion, no one should have pulled out. They should have damned the torpedoes' and finished the job, liberation be damned.........

I disagree.

Proposing embassies genuinely requires lots of muscle power... it was so exhausting every time I did it... but that certainly proves dedication for sure...

Also, Embassy Collectors are genuinely important anyways... they allow for interregional communication, allow users (with potentially similar interests) from multiple different regions to converse with one another without needing to have a direct embassy between their respective regions & allows different regions to advertise themselves.

Also, how do I "support fascism" if I only consider certain things to be truly fascist and are therefore, unable to have an embassy with my region? That's quite literally what I said in the telegram... didn't I?

Say whatever you desire but EmbassyRegionia shouldn't have been finished off... EmbassyRegionia was alot more than "just an embassy spammer"

I am honestly so glad that the region got liberated... those raiders were vandals who couldn't let the region do its own thing and continue proposing embassies...

Considering they have been justifying their embassy policy to accept any sort of fascist regions, I wouldn't count on that.

Well... why can't I? "Because fascism is wrong and you're making excuses for them" isn't an answer... I don't even consider some Nazis to be "true fascist" anyways...

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

Can't you just allow me to smuggle a puppet please?!?

This summarizes well the last few pages, and we'd do well to stop trying to get them to change.

Yeah.

Well... this has got me in a pickle... I honestly refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing but...
Try to get me to change by helping raiders grief an embassy network and vandalize the WFE...

That will certainly get me to change my mind...

At this point, most of us are not trying. We are just enjoying the show.

Well I'm not "enjoying the show"

I don't like the fact that none of my potential contributions are being recognized...

And what exactly is that going to change? The region will be a dead hulk behind that password.

The region was very much alive before raiders came to ruin everything.

It could still be alive after it passworded anyways...

Thanks for the word salad.



Probably going for a refound.

Please don't...

If so, they shouldn't make it so blatantly obvious all over the forums what they are doing. At this point I wonder which "defenders" are giving them this advice. I know I will have a puppet watching that region very closely for a refound attempt. May make a nice little trophy.

Hmm... SBBF wasn't refounded and still became a trophy (I wasn't even on NationStates at the time)

Anyways, I sure hope that nobody intends to refound EmbassyRegionia.

That would certainly degrade its importance, the fact that it was featured and the fact that it went through a raid last week.

The goal should be to help it recover from the raid and not to destroy a region of substantial importance for a refound...
Anyways, are some defenders truly "defenders" if they support the refounding of regions like mine after liberation? I wouldn't desire a refound to take place...

That's what you think... EmbassyRegionia should be allowed to continue its existence for a long time and not stagnate behind a password...

Some Embassy Collectors weren't even Embassy Collectors until the embassy feature was introduced in 2011 (like Hollow Point & Fredonia).

So, please continue on about how the game would be better off without "embassy spammers" when some Embassy Collectors have been here for almost as long as the game itself.

In regards to refounding the region, I will make sure to advocate against that. Swaklaton has not said anything one way or the other (yet), and I understand why you do not want it to be refounded and agree. But you should speak to Swaklaton and the other natives about that too. I hold great power in your region, but I am not the sole power.

The reason why your policy is so controversial is because you created a new definition for a word to justify your actions, and have therefore made it so that the non-existent regions that fail to meet your requirements are not worthy of embassies, but Nazis are. That should put it into perspective for you.

You are not fit to be in the regional government. But perhaps outright banning you from the region you created is a step too far. I am going to ask Swaklaton to let you stay as a citizen, but you will not receive a position in the regional government unless you recognize your wrongdoings. That is a fair way of doing things, and my opinion should hold weight since I have a position in their regional government and have coordinated much of the stuff regarding the region since the March 24th incidents.

[Outer Sparta]

If the founder continues to want to beg their way back into the region in a bid to regain the power they had lost, then maybe the region shouldn't let them back in. I highly doubt those rants would endear with the community or mend any broke bridges.

[WayNeacTia]

If the founder continues to want to beg their way back into the region in a bid to regain the power they had lost, then maybe the region shouldn't let them back in. I highly doubt those rants would endear with the community or mend any broke bridges.

Let them throw their pity party. They are solely responsible for what happened.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

If the founder continues to want to beg their way back into the region in a bid to regain the power they had lost, then maybe the region shouldn't let them back in. I highly doubt those rants would endear with the community or mend any broke bridges.

No... I want to reenter my region simply because I want to... it cannot be stated any more simply....

It's not like I openly engaged with Nazi regions. I just don't consider all Nazis to be fascists... so I allow them to construct embassies with me.
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I just approve their embassies... because they (and I cannot stress this enough) do not fall under my 6 definitions for what constitutes as a "fascist" nobody can respect that... but why?!?
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Also, how do I "support fascism" if I only consider certain things to be truly fascist and are therefore, unable to have an embassy with my region? That's quite literally what I said in the telegram... didn't I?
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Well... why can't I? "Because fascism is wrong and you're making excuses for them" isn't an answer... I don't even consider some Nazis to be "true fascist" anyways...

You clearly do not understand WHY people don't want you to build embassies with fascists, if you think it's fine if they're just Nazis and "not fascists." We're not asking asking you to specifically not build embassies with Italian fascists, we're asking you to not tolerate ....Naizs. Hate. Etc. Your definition of what a "true fascist" is, is irrelevant. You shouldn't build embassies with nazis, or neonazis, or whatever the hell you want to call them.

Well, you're right... the definition of what I qualify as "True Fascist" is irreverent when I think about it.. Also, the nazis never benefited my region in any particular way, shape or form.

*ugh* well, Neo-Nazis are still not considered... okay fine, there are policies that would need to be implemented then...
Well, the only tradeoff to embassies with all Nazi regions being revoked is that...

1. Embassies with all controversially themed regions (whether they're Nazi or modeled after something else like any particular Terror Group, regions named after all evil and/or controversial organizations or people, regions named after innocent companies with controversial histories etc) shouldn't be considered...

2. All regions that doesn't like EmbassyRegionia shouldn't be considered for an embassy with the region (this includes regions that possesses one or more embassies with another region that doesn't like EmbassyRegionia)

Neo-Nazis never fell under my embassy policy... however if I were to suddenly change my mind, these are two potential outcomes that would occur...as a result...

There is a lot to talk about here. Oh boy…

OMG! Please don't refound it.
Do you know what TUW? I entirely give up. Please don't have the region refounded. It's nearly a year old at this point and I do not want all of that history to be destroyed. If The Embassy can function without an active founder than so can EmbassyRegionia.

I am well aware that no defenders have actually suggested refounding EmbassyRegionia at this point but still..

That cannot happen. Just think about it.

Swaklaton really shouldn't ban me... but I may (hesitantly) accept it...

Just because EmbassyRegionia is founderless now, that doesn't mean that it needs a founder (just like the GCRs or other UCRs like The Communist Bloc)

That statement/suggestion absolutely terrified me.

Just please don't refound the region that I've worked so hard on prior to my March 24 DEAT.

I'll just never change my opinions on Fascism...

I technically didn't have embassies with regions that fell under my definition of fascism but now that there's rarely any embassies left other than the raiders who participated in the raid. These embassies are being withdrawn now & reconstruction of the embassies can potentially take place now.

Besides, the region has already been featured not long after its founding.

Just think about the negative consequences of refounding it.

We had about 1,170 embassies at our peak. EmbassyRegionia is so important to me at this point. I do not want a refound to take place... please.

All they need is to implement a password and things should go well. The Embassy has a password afterall and it's also founderless like EmbassyRegionia but noone had ever suggested refounding it... because significant things happened there.

Seeing that your statement was enough to scare me. I don't want the region to be refounded. I'd rather have EmbassyRegionia exist in its current incarnation (the one that I founded)

Not being able to return to my region is one thing, but having the region be refounded is a totally different thing that I am totally against.

Also, the fact that EmbassyRegionia was founded by its namesake nation also makes it pretty peculiar.

EmbassyRegionia has been through far too many important things to be refounded. I am begging you to allow the region to exist as it does now.

I'd rather not be allowed to return than have the region be refounded.

well, being banned wouldn't be a great thing but... EmbassyRegionia being destroyed is also not a good thing...

Besides running a founderless UCR is possible... I promise that EmbassyRegionia doesn't need a founder to thrive and that it's a very bad idea to refound the region for multiple different reasons.

Swaklaton doesn't have to refound EmbassyRegionia. I want it to keep existing.

Please just forbid my return and that will be enough...







Well, Swaklaton is our delegate... and seeing that some have suggested a refound (which I would absolutely hate to happen)

I am not sure what to say...

Um... I may be the founder but Swaklaton is the executive delegate... so, it's probably very unlikely that my policies would apply to the region anymore.

Saying that I constructed embassies with "an awful amount" of fascist regions is pretty nonsensical. I never engaged in open diplomacy with these regions whatsoever. They were never even considered to be "allies" at all.

I just created a policy where only regions that fall under 6 descriptions and descriptors cannot propose embassies with me.

I had never conversed with any Fascist in EmbassyRegionia thus far.

It wasn't something that I deserved to be raided for... but y'all need to stop positioning yourselves against my embassy policies to begin with? That's not even something that I can not understand.

If the anti-fascists were so tempered by my region's way of constructing embassies with certain region (even if they're neo-nazis) then one thing that can be said is that closing about 1,170 embassies that we once had is one of the most terrible solutions to dealing with anti-fascism I've ever heard of.

While I created the obscure list many months ago.

I was also the one who allowed for Swaklaton to become Delegate anyway just before I got mod-deleted...

Why can't I refuse to admit my wrongdoings however? It's not like there were even any wrongdoings that I committed.

I'm sorry, that's just the truth. I am only being genuine to my own former ways of running things in EmbassyRegionia before the brief raid of April 5th to April 9th.

I actually favored Swaklaton's delegacy prior to the mod-deletion on March 24th.

I am a decent human being in my own way... I feel like...

Swaklaton is an executive delegate but shouldn't refound it because EmbassyRegionia is far too important for many reasons for a refound to take place. So, I hope that this theory or suggestion doesn't turn out to be true.


I understand. One individual most definitely isn't to blame for the raid (of so many individuals) succeeding.

I also understand that you have grown your embassies to epic proportions I will admit.

Sure, I am totally fine with this idea... you have certainly proven yourself to be dedicated in mass-proposing embassies for regions.

Contrary to what Wayneactia says, embassy collectors can be pretty important for increasing socialization between other players and interregional communication...

Also, it was stated by me (in my reply to cyberstrom) that The Hurricane was not totally at fault for the raid succeeding anyways as the embassies would've probably closed without The Hurricane's assistance.

I still maintain that I am not the real villain.

TCB got involved in a raid that they should've never been involved with. They helped to destroy an entire embassy network that I worked so hard on. The fact that you're suggesting something as ludicrous as refounding the region (which I don't want to happen) would make all of the embassies that I've managed to establish prior to the raid even more pointless.

I am not sure if you'll disagree with me... but refounding EmbassyRegionia is a very bad idea for sure... my region is far too important and should be preserved... regardless of my (the founder's) actions.



I am well aware that nobody likes me within my region.

However, I still founded it and helped Swaklaton to be elected as delegate.

The least that Swaklaton could do is allow me to reside there (even if the delegate doesn't allow me to become an RO)

Everybody hates me for refusing to say that my embassy policy was wrong. Why should I be forced to regret something? Where's the freedom in that? Why can't I be entitled to freedom of expression?

It's not like I openly engaged with Nazi regions. I just don't consider all Nazis to be fascists... so I allow them to construct embassies with me. It doesn't mean that I am trying to allow them to be "allies" of my region.

That wasn't my intention. I just approve their embassies... because they (and I cannot stress this enough) do not fall under my 6 definitions for what constitutes as a "fascist" nobody can respect that... but why?!?

Anyways... everybody does seem to be against me in this thread... that's something that I agree with.

The least that y'all can do is preserve my region and allow it to continue existing without a refound. I do not like that suggestion that Wayneactia or The Universe World put forth.


I disagree.

Proposing embassies genuinely requires lots of muscle power... it was so exhausting every time I did it... but that certainly proves dedication for sure...

Also, Embassy Collectors are genuinely important anyways... they allow for interregional communication, allow users (with potentially similar interests) from multiple different regions to converse with one another without needing to have a direct embassy between their respective regions & allows different regions to advertise themselves.

Also, how do I "support fascism" if I only consider certain things to be truly fascist and are therefore, unable to have an embassy with my region? That's quite literally what I said in the telegram... didn't I?

Say whatever you desire but EmbassyRegionia shouldn't have been finished off... EmbassyRegionia was alot more than "just an embassy spammer"

I am honestly so glad that the region got liberated... those raiders were vandals who couldn't let the region do its own thing and continue proposing embassies...


Well... why can't I? "Because fascism is wrong and you're making excuses for them" isn't an answer... I don't even consider some Nazis to be "true fascist" anyways...


Can't you just allow me to smuggle a puppet please?!?


Yeah.

Well... this has got me in a pickle... I honestly refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing but...
Try to get me to change by helping raiders grief an embassy network and vandalize the WFE...

That will certainly get me to change my mind...



Well I'm not "enjoying the show"

I don't like the fact that none of my potential contributions are being recognized...


The region was very much alive before raiders came to ruin everything.

It could still be alive after it passworded anyways...


Please don't...



Hmm... SBBF wasn't refounded and still became a trophy (I wasn't even on NationStates at the time)

Anyways, I sure hope that nobody intends to refound EmbassyRegionia.

That would certainly degrade its importance, the fact that it was featured and the fact that it went through a raid last week.

The goal should be to help it recover from the raid and not to destroy a region of substantial importance for a refound...
Anyways, are some defenders truly "defenders" if they support the refounding of regions like mine after liberation? I wouldn't desire a refound to take place...



That's what you think... EmbassyRegionia should be allowed to continue its existence for a long time and not stagnate behind a password...

Some Embassy Collectors weren't even Embassy Collectors until the embassy feature was introduced in 2011 (like Hollow Point & Fredonia).

So, please continue on about how the game would be better off without "embassy spammers" when some Embassy Collectors have been here for almost as long as the game itself.

In regards to refounding the region, I will make sure to advocate against that. Swaklaton has not said anything one way or the other (yet), and I understand why you do not want it to be refounded and agree. But you should speak to Swaklaton and the other natives about that too. I hold great power in your region, but I am not the sole power.

The reason why your policy is so controversial is because you created a new definition for a word to justify your actions, and have therefore made it so that the non-existent regions that fail to meet your requirements are not worthy of embassies, but Nazis are. That should put it into perspective for you.

You are not fit to be in the regional government. But perhaps outright banning you from the region you created is a step too far. I am going to ask Swaklaton to let you stay as a citizen, but you will not receive a position in the regional government unless you recognize your wrongdoings. That is a fair way of doing things, and my opinion should hold weight since I have a position in their regional government and have coordinated much of the stuff regarding the region since the March 24th incidents.

Yes. I am glad that we're on the same page regarding not having the region refounded.

I agree that Swaklaton not allowing me to return is a little too harsh. I will also certainly have some kind of conversation with Swaklaton regarding their intentions to ban me at some point... maybe a vote should be put forth to the natives about this...

Although, this idea seems pointless...

Yeah... the definitions that were created were so obscure and specific that it would be very rare for a region to be created on NationStates that falls under all 6 precise descriptions and fails to meet my requirements to construct an embassy. That's what's assumed you are saying. You are right...

However, you cannot expect me to change a policy that works for an embassy collector...

If you want to be admit any wrongdoing...

All that can be stated is that "recognizing any wrongdoings" will be considered... that doesn't necessarily mean that the conclusion will be reached that any wrongdoing was done... however, as stated in one particular reply to Ever-Wandering Souls up above

I'll only consider retracting my current views if two (more broad) embassy qualifications are created instead...

If the founder continues to want to beg their way back into the region in a bid to regain the power they had lost, then maybe the region shouldn't let them back in. I highly doubt those rants would endear with the community or mend any broke bridges.

Let them throw their pity party. They are solely responsible for what happened.

*yawn*

[WayNeacTia]

Let them throw their pity party. They are solely responsible for what happened.

*yawn*

Yawn all you like. I hate to break it to you, but your actions have caused one of three possible outcomes.

1. The region is left as it is, and is raided mercilessly as has been made evident in this thread that Swaklaton does not possess the gameplay knowledge to keep the region safe.

2. They password the region and it dies a slow death, as it has been made patently obvious Swaklaton cannot control entry like The Stalker does with Hell, as they simply do not possess the gameplay knowledge to make that a reality.

3. They attempt to refound the region. Unless someone with a metric ass ton of skill is leading that operation, the chances of it being sniped are extremely high.

This is the reality of the situation. You are the sole cause of whatever outcome prevails. Had you not gotten the founder account deleted, none of this would even be a thing. Perhaps you should reflect on that before posting again. Either way, all possible outcomes are win in my books.....

[Swaklaton]

obviously it's not the same. I was just pointing out how it was a bit ironic that you were complaining about something you just did, even if the circumstances were quite different.

Perhaps I was trying to drive home the point, that certain things should be held close to the chest and not advertised for everyone to see.....

Again, the natives/Swaklaton never mentioned refounding. It is just a theory, and we should treat it as such.

Then the region can stagnate behind a password until it eventually CTE's. Either way another embassy spammer has bit the dust and the game is better off because of it.....

Your ability to be unnecessarily angry and toxic on forums never ceases to amaze me

[WayNeacTia]

Perhaps I was trying to drive home the point, that certain things should be held close to the chest and not advertised for everyone to see.....


Then the region can stagnate behind a password until it eventually CTE's. Either way another embassy spammer has bit the dust and the game is better off because of it.....

Your ability to be unnecessarily angry and toxic on forums never ceases to amaze me

If you consider the reality of the situation to be toxic and angry, that is on you. It still doesn't change the reality of your predicament.....

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Perhaps I was trying to drive home the point, that certain things should be held close to the chest and not advertised for everyone to see.....

Then the region can stagnate behind a password until it eventually CTE's. Either way another embassy spammer has bit the dust and the game is better off because of it.....

Your ability to be unnecessarily angry and toxic on forums never ceases to amaze me

Hardly toxic to describe the three most probable outcomes of all this. I must agree with Wayne, whatever one happens it’s a win in my book.

Edit: and for pity’s sake folks please spoiler some of the longer posts.