[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

[RiderSyl]

In this story, Embassies4Breakfast is the real villain, not Venico. Sorry Venny .

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

[New Astri]

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

[Chipoli]

I'm voting against it for multiple reasons. First, the raiders have left the region. Second, there was been a new delegate elected that is native to the region. They wish to password the region to provide it with greater security. I respect their wishes, so I voted against.

[Minskiev]

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

Gonna pop out the other end

[Vul Handa]

I'm voting against it for multiple reasons. First, the raiders have left the region. Second, there was been a new delegate elected that is native to the region. They wish to password the region to provide it with greater security. I respect their wishes, so I voted against.

Me two, I voted For while the raiders were in control but once they started to leave I voted Against because as you said the there are no more raiders and there is no point of the resolution.

[Ambrossa]

Against. Swat needs to establish a password now.

[Malphe II]

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

I'm honestly glad, they went out of their way to totally remove the ambiguity of the situation.

[The Universe World]

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

Embassies4Breakfast’s comments are what pushed The Communist Bloc to join in, and New Astri stated that if TCB did not join in the defenders likely could’ve regained control during one of the updates (which I agree with). So E4B deserves some blame for the raid succeeding.

[Outer Sparta]

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

The founder getting the anti-fascists to join in on the raid also did quite a bit of damage, not to mention tanking their reputation in the community.

[The Universe World]

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

The founder getting the anti-fascists to join in on the raid also did quite a bit of damage, not to mention tanking their reputation in the community.

Yep. See: my reply above.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Nope. Sorry to break it you Syl but that is not true whatsoever

At no point had I ever made a rule that regions with Nazi flags are allowed.

Infact, I had actually stated the exact opposite!

"4. The region's founder or delegate possesses a Nazi-Themed flag"

I had specifically included the possession of Nazi Flags by the founder (or delegate) of another region as a criteria for being despised by me BUT one of them must also have an Italian Flag as well.

If both the founder and delegate of another region has Nazi Flags, they won't be considered Fascist by me. However, if the founder has an Italian Flag while the delegate has a Nazi Flag, they will be considered Fascist and will not have their embassy requests accepted. That's all I said.

I never condoned the usage of Nazi Flags!

Speaking of that... I never condoned hate either... as seen from this

"2. Has a track record of genuine hate against minorities" (which the Nazis sought to exterminate)

You see? Maybe you should read harder next time and take some more time to process it all.

Also, I pretty much said that I hate Racism and Aryanism at number 6 on my list.

So by your own logic, only Italian Nazis would fall under your 6 rules?
Look, I suggest just stop digging a grave for yourself here.

Well Nazi Italians would almost certainly have more in common with Mussolinist Fascists for sure

Still discovering how many steps there are in this staircase that E4B's mouth cannot help but fall down.

It is fortunate that the region now rests in the control of those who have better judgment.

OMG, you are absolutely right!

Banning the founder from their own region that they've worked so hard on building up embassies for over the span of nearly a year is obviously better judgement. How could I be so foolish?

Nope. Sorry to break it you Syl but that is not true whatsoever

At no point had I ever made a rule that regions with Nazi flags are allowed.

Infact, I had actually stated the exact opposite!

"4. The region's founder or delegate possesses a Nazi-Themed flag"

I had specifically included the possession of Nazi Flags by the founder (or delegate) of another region as a criteria for being despised by me BUT one of them must also have an Italian Flag as well.

If both the founder and delegate of another region has Nazi Flags, they won't be considered Fascist by me. However, if the founder has an Italian Flag while the delegate has a Nazi Flag, they will be considered Fascist and will not have their embassy requests accepted. That's all I said.

I never condoned the usage of Nazi Flags!

Speaking of that... I never condoned hate either... as seen from this

"2. Has a track record of genuine hate against minorities" (which the Nazis sought to exterminate)

You see? Maybe you should read harder next time and take some more time to process it all.

Also, I pretty much said that I hate Racism and Aryanism at number 6 on my list.

If the delegate and natives don't want you back, then don't try and force yourself to come back. Simple as that.

Well, I do have plans on taking refuge for an uncertain amount of time in another region should the remaining natives display any unacceptably towards me in EmbassyRegionia. However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse

1. I am pretty certain that my first point had everything to do with what you said. Having said "Well in that case" at the beginning which indicates that your statement was read so I decided to slightly change my position to fit with the subject matter.

2. No you didn't. All you stated was that there were other "unsavory" nations but that's just about it with no mention of other "problematic systems or ideologies"

3. Well, for the sake of the proper argumentation of the policy's justified enforcement, yep the definition that was explicitly packaged for my policy is considered to be more important than fascism's universal definition.

How would you react if the natives do end up banning you from the region? Are you going to create alt accounts and try to seize back the power you lost after your first nation CTEd if the community does not want you back?

Well, attempting to seize back any sort of control over my region is very hopeless for me at this point.

I suppose that (if the natives don't want me back) I'll just create an anonymous alt-account and smuggle it inside of the region for safekeeping just before a password is established.

Nobody would ever be able to tell who the alt puppet belongs to. So, I think that I'd be completely safe from that puppet being banned.

In this story, Embassies4Breakfast is the real villain, not Venico. Sorry Venny .

Nope.

Multiple raiders unwarrantedly seized the delegacy from the natives in a relatively defenseless region without a password before committing the absolutely horrendous acts of regional vandalism and embassy griefing.

In what universe other than The Great Universe does that make me the "real villain"?

In this story, Embassies4Breakfast is the real villain, not Venico. Sorry Venny .

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

"The raiders did their thing and left"

Yeah. They certainly "did their thing"... by forming a coalition to ambush the native delegate, ban multiple residents/defenders and obliterate over over 1,000 hard-earned embassies that I (the founder) had worked so hard single-handedly to construct. So much for "Embassies4Breakfast is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders".

Also, the embassy setup would've worked well for the region before the vandals from foreign lands arrived to cause some trouble and unnecessarily reduced our embassies to only being established with regions that participated in the unnecessary raid that entirely destroyed every other embassy we used to have.

You really should've respected my embassy policy along with all the others who had a problem with it. You cannot learn to respect my formally applied rules now, can you? Listen, the embassy policy which dictated how EmbassyRegionia operates and regulates its embassies wasn't something that needed to be used as justification for TCB among others to assist in an attack by mere vandals.

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

*yawn*

Yep. You (among others) brought on the destruction of over 1,000 embassies while essentially allowing the non-native vandal (Venico) among many of their other ROs to suppress posts (including my own) and even ban the founder (me) from the region for a brief period of time during the raid.

Don't relate me to a "Fascism Fiasco" just because many Nazi Regions don't qualify under the 6 specific rules that I mandated for the region.

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

I dug very deep down into the earth's core for sure. The only thing that was found down there were some [url=nationstates.net/nation=Swaklaton]Swaklaton]Golden Riches[/url]

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

I'm honestly glad, they went out of their way to totally remove the ambiguity of the situation.

The ambiguity of the situation was the fact that so many were able to find justification in my telegram for assisting illegal vandals.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

Embassies4Breakfast’s comments are what pushed The Communist Bloc to join in, and New Astri stated that if TCB did not join in the defenders likely could’ve regained control during one of the updates (which I agree with). So E4B deserves some blame for the raid succeeding.

Nope.

The blame cannot be partially pushed onto me.

If anyone is to blame for TCB's involvement in the raid to begin with, then it should be The Black Hawks. In particular (Triseria) who was a notable catalyst for the events that initiated the involvement of TCB among others in the raid on my region.

Besides, didn't The Hurricane betray us at some point during the raid?

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

The founder getting the anti-fascists to join in on the raid also did quite a bit of damage, not to mention tanking their reputation in the community.

Hey, I'm not the one who got the anti-fascists to join the raid. I created a list of rules and these anti-fascists couldn't respect that. Also, I believe that the anti-fascist forces actually inflicted alot more than just "a little bit of" damage in my region in terms of embassies. If they wouldn't have gotten involved, all of these embassies could've been saved by now smh.

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Both of you - this is a thread for discussing the Security Council proposal "Liberate EmbassyRegionia". Discussion of RL history and politics go in the General forum.

Ok.

[Socialist Republic of Cantonia]

We believe that this proposal of the Security Council should be accepted.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

*deleted*

[Embassies4Breakfast]

*Deleted*

[Ambrossa]

Don't bring up Hurricane. He made a mistake, it's over now; all is forgiven. Your argument that you were just following the six rules is not valid. You certainly had the power to change those rules, but you don't anymore. All you had to do was apologize, see your mistake, and change the rules. If you would have done that, all would be forgiven.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Don't bring up Hurricane. He made a mistake, it's over now; all is forgiven. Your argument that you were just following the six rules is not valid. You certainly had the power to change those rules, but you don't anymore. All you had to do was apologize, see your mistake, and change the rules. If you would have done that, all would be forgiven.

Well, considering that the Raid would've probably succeeded anyways with or without The Hurricane's involvement, I am not so mad at him...
Yes I was just following the 6 rules. Yes, I had the power to change them at my will.

No, I didn't have to change them. No, I didn't make any mistakes. I didn't have anything to apologize for.

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

My Embassy Policy and obscure definitions of what constitutes 'fascism' along with the embassies with regions that don't fall under these definitions (even if they're neo-nazi) shall remain enforced forever...

That's what I would've said if I had any power left...

Well...

[Ambrossa]

Don't bring up Hurricane. He made a mistake, it's over now; all is forgiven. Your argument that you were just following the six rules is not valid. You certainly had the power to change those rules, but you don't anymore. All you had to do was apologize, see your mistake, and change the rules. If you would have done that, all would be forgiven.

Well, considering that the Raid would've probably succeeded anyways with or without The Hurricane's involvement, I am not so mad at him...
Yes I was just following the 6 rules. Yes, I had the power to change them at my will.

No, I didn't have to change them. No, I didn't make any mistakes. I didn't have anything to apologize for.

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

My Embassy Policy and obscure definitions of what constitutes 'fascism' along with the embassies with regions that don't fall under these definitions (even if they're neo-nazi) shall remain enforced forever...

That's what I would've said if I had any power left...

That… doesn't make any sense. There is NO REASON whatsoever to refuse to change your policy to leave out all fascists except the fact that you just can't admit when you're wrong. There are over 20,000 regions to have embassies with. I'll be willing to bet that less than 2% are fascists. If you want any hopes of putting your reputation on this site back together, you must admit your wrongdoing like a decent human being.

[The Universe World]

So by your own logic, only Italian Nazis would fall under your 6 rules?
Look, I suggest just stop digging a grave for yourself here.

Well Nazi Italians would almost certainly have more in common with Mussolinist Fascists for sure

Still discovering how many steps there are in this staircase that E4B's mouth cannot help but fall down.

It is fortunate that the region now rests in the control of those who have better judgment.

OMG, you are absolutely right!

Banning the founder from their own region that they've worked so hard on building up embassies for over the span of nearly a year is obviously better judgement. How could I be so foolish?

If the delegate and natives don't want you back, then don't try and force yourself to come back. Simple as that.

Well, I do have plans on taking refuge for an uncertain amount of time in another region should the remaining natives display any unacceptably towards me in EmbassyRegionia. However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse

How would you react if the natives do end up banning you from the region? Are you going to create alt accounts and try to seize back the power you lost after your first nation CTEd if the community does not want you back?

Well, attempting to seize back any sort of control over my region is very hopeless for me at this point.

I suppose that (if the natives don't want me back) I'll just create an anonymous alt-account and smuggle it inside of the region for safekeeping just before a password is established.

Nobody would ever be able to tell who the alt puppet belongs to. So, I think that I'd be completely safe from that puppet being banned.

In this story, Embassies4Breakfast is the real villain, not Venico. Sorry Venny .

Nope.

Multiple raiders unwarrantedly seized the delegacy from the natives in a relatively defenseless region without a password before committing the absolutely horrendous acts of regional vandalism and embassy griefing.

In what universe other than The Great Universe does that make me the "real villain"?

That is quite a region liberation story then if the old founder is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders. The raiders just did their thing and left while the founder still wants to be in control despite having their nation CTEd and having a questionable embassy setup they still abide by.

"The raiders did their thing and left"

Yeah. They certainly "did their thing"... by forming a coalition to ambush the native delegate, ban multiple residents/defenders and obliterate over over 1,000 hard-earned embassies that I (the founder) had worked so hard single-handedly to construct. So much for "Embassies4Breakfast is the villain to EmbassyRegionia more than the actual raiders".

Also, the embassy setup would've worked well for the region before the vandals from foreign lands arrived to cause some trouble and unnecessarily reduced our embassies to only being established with regions that participated in the unnecessary raid that entirely destroyed every other embassy we used to have.

You really should've respected my embassy policy along with all the others who had a problem with it. You cannot learn to respect my formally applied rules now, can you? Listen, the embassy policy which dictated how EmbassyRegionia operates and regulates its embassies wasn't something that needed to be used as justification for TCB among others to assist in an attack by mere vandals.

Comparatively, yes, raiders weren't as bad, but looking at it in a vacuum, we really wrecked things. We destroyed over 1000 embassies. That's significant.

It is a lesser evil than the former founder's fascism fiasco, for a fact.

*yawn*

Yep. You (among others) brought on the destruction of over 1,000 embassies while essentially allowing the non-native vandal (Venico) among many of their other ROs to suppress posts (including my own) and even ban the founder (me) from the region for a brief period of time during the raid.

Don't relate me to a "Fascism Fiasco" just because many Nazi Regions don't qualify under the 6 specific rules that I mandated for the region.

this is so funny. E4B literally digging into the earth's core at this point

I dug very deep down into the earth's core for sure. The only thing that was found down there were some [url=nationstates.net/nation=Swaklaton]Swaklaton]Golden Riches[/url]

I'm honestly glad, they went out of their way to totally remove the ambiguity of the situation.

The ambiguity of the situation was the fact that so many were able to find justification in my telegram for assisting illegal vandals.

Embassies4Breakfast’s comments are what pushed The Communist Bloc to join in, and New Astri stated that if TCB did not join in the defenders likely could’ve regained control during one of the updates (which I agree with). So E4B deserves some blame for the raid succeeding.

Nope.

The blame cannot be partially pushed onto me.

If anyone is to blame for TCB's involvement in the raid to begin with, then it should be The Black Hawks. In particular (Triseria) who was a notable catalyst for the events that initiated the involvement of TCB among others in the raid on my region.

Besides, didn't The Hurricane betray us at some point during the raid?

The founder getting the anti-fascists to join in on the raid also did quite a bit of damage, not to mention tanking their reputation in the community.

Hey, I'm not the one who got the anti-fascists to join the raid. I created a list of rules and these anti-fascists couldn't respect that. Also, I believe that the anti-fascist forces actually inflicted alot more than just "a little bit of" damage in my region in terms of embassies. If they wouldn't have gotten involved, all of these embassies could've been saved by now smh.

Both of you - this is a thread for discussing the Security Council proposal "Liberate EmbassyRegionia". Discussion of RL history and politics go in the General forum.

Ok.

Since your primary reasoning here is that you were the one building embassies, I will make an offer. I have amassed a collection of embassies larger than yours (and at times much larger than yours). I can handle embassies, and Swaklaton can handle everything else (unless the natives want me to do more).

Again, you are the real villain because you provoked TCB and a few other anti-fascists to join. And, per New Astri, the defenders likely could've taken over at one of the updates and saved the embassies.

In regards to The Hurricane, I am also greatly disappointed in him. But he was one man. Him staying with the defenders would not have saved the embassies.

[New Astri]

SCREAMING. this dude is really gonna be continuing to make Everyone Involved hate him right up until the vote finishes and this thread shuts. impressive feat to have your region raided and fuck up so bad in literally every statement you make afterwards that you're the one (1) person Literally Everyone Involved is equally mad at. man's gonna catch an award for Least Successful In Any Thread Ever. why would you even publicly announce intent to sneak into a region where nobody likes you that is such a bad idea

[WayNeacTia]

However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse

I am sure they will figure out how to spam embassies just as effectively as you were able to..... For the record, you supporting fascism is just the icing on the cake. I was just delighted to watch another embassy spammer burnt to the ground. In my opinion, no one should have pulled out. They should have damned the torpedoes' and finished the job, liberation be damned.........

[The Universe World]

SCREAMING. this dude is really gonna be continuing to make Everyone Involved hate him right up until the vote finishes and this thread shuts. impressive feat to have your region raided and fuck up so bad in literally every statement you make afterwards that you're the one (1) person Literally Everyone Involved is equally mad at. man's gonna catch an award for Least Successful In Any Thread Ever. why would you even publicly announce intent to sneak into a region where nobody likes you that is such a bad idea

Ah, I forgot to mention that. I actually think this form of ban evasion is far more common than it seems. But saying you plan to do it publicly is... new.

However, sooner or later Swaklaton & the natives will realize just how important I am for the overall functionality of the region and shall recognize my contributions as a regional embassy powerhouse

I am sure they will figure out how to spam embassies just as effectively as you were able to..... For the record, you supporting fascism is just the icing on the cake. I was just delighted to watch another embassy spammer burnt to the ground. In my opinion, no one should have pulled out. They should have damned the torpedoes' and finished the job, liberation be damned.........

I am going to briefly play devil's advocate. As an embassy collector, it is actually quite draining to request so many embassies everyday. Most of the people who have worked in my region could never get into doing it, except for a few here and there (Howdy Doody Time is the only one so far who has been good at it, which makes sense since he founded SECFanatics and SEC Fanatics). That is why I put up an offer to help with embassies, since the other natives have little experience (or no experience) handling them, including Swaklaton.

[Outer Sparta]

Well, considering that the Raid would've probably succeeded anyways with or without The Hurricane's involvement, I am not so mad at him...
Yes I was just following the 6 rules. Yes, I had the power to change them at my will.

No, I didn't have to change them. No, I didn't make any mistakes. I didn't have anything to apologize for.

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

My Embassy Policy and obscure definitions of what constitutes 'fascism' along with the embassies with regions that don't fall under these definitions (even if they're neo-nazi) shall remain enforced forever...

That's what I would've said if I had any power left...

That… doesn't make any sense. There is NO REASON whatsoever to refuse to change your policy to leave out all fascists except the fact that you just can't admit when you're wrong. There are over 20,000 regions to have embassies with. I'll be willing to bet that less than 2% are fascists. If you want any hopes of putting your reputation on this site back together, you must admit your wrongdoing like a decent human being.

Considering they have been justifying their embassy policy to accept any sort of fascist regions, I wouldn't count on that.

[Swaklaton]

FYI: Once a password is instated, all nations will be banned from the region with the exception of a few trusted defenders. It has been brought to my attention the founder intends to smuggle in a puppet. This means, unfortunately, a full sweep is in order. If you are banjected, please don't angrily telegramme me, it's just something that has to happen.

[Wallenburg]

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

This summarizes well the last few pages, and we'd do well to stop trying to get them to change.

[The Universe World]

I refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing!

This summarizes well the last few pages, and we'd do well to stop trying to get them to change.

At this point, most of us are not trying. We are just enjoying the show.