[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

[The Universe World]

You have made it possible for this liberation to not pass

While you've nailed the rest of your post, you're wrong there. Defenders will still pass the liberation - what's up in the air is the matter of whether the former founder has any future in EmbassyRegionia after the raider occupation ends. That's looking more and more like a "no, they don't".

Thank you! I agree. My point was that, even if slim, because of him there is now a slight possibility for it not to pass and there will definitely be a significant, notable bloc voting “no”.

Good Question.

Possibly.

If we take it at face-value than I would probably have no choice but to accept the embassy so long as it doesn't fit all 6 of my criteria .

'i would probably have no choice' bro you say that like someone is forcing you at gunpoint to accept embassies with nazis even tho you are literally 100% in control of whether or not you do that

This is absolutely hilarious. You deserve awards.

[Philippinia]

Full support!

[Sedgistan]

I assume you have some ironclad evidence to back up your claims? Or are you simply talking out of your ass as normal?

Some ironclad evidence for you. However, it really isn't a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender.

No…. You are accusing me of being a DOS player. Something you have been wanted for in the past. Perhaps you should have taken the hint the first time, instead of beating a dead horse.

I didn't make the accusation that you were DOS until you asked me to prove that you were once a defender.

EDIT: And I was wanted for accusing you of being DOS? I guess I need to accuse you of being DOS more so that I'm wanted more.

Your very first link was to a post in which you got a 1 day forumban for threadjacking on this topic. Since you continue to threadjack on this point, and harass Wayneactia, it's a *** 3 day forumban *** this time around.

Ok, my mistake what would be defined as a fascist then and remember what Germany had was Nazism.

...Nazism was inspired off of Mussolini's idea of fascism. Both were racially charged, extremist ideologies with a dictator at the head, surrounded by a cult of personality. If you want a pioneer for fascism, Mussolini can take that decaying candle, but Nazi Germany was most certainly fascist, just with the disgusting eugenics policy (ala Holocaust) dialed way the heck up.

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Both of you - this is a thread for discussing the Security Council proposal "Liberate EmbassyRegionia". Discussion of RL history and politics go in the General forum.

[Vul Handa]

I'll stop posting. It's not like it'll actually help anything but sure, I'll stop posting.

You're definitely not doing yourself any favors with the other natives of your old region and might even tank the liberation from passing if more people were aware of your actions as founder and why you've justified your embassy policy.

I'm starting to get lost here because there's so many accusations be thrown around. What actions has the original founder taken.

[RiderSyl]

You're definitely not doing yourself any favors with the other natives of your old region and might even tank the liberation from passing if more people were aware of your actions as founder and why you've justified your embassy policy.

I'm starting to get lost here because there's so many accusations be thrown around. What actions has the original founder taken.

The original founder established and maintained embassies with fascist regions. It is not why they were raided, but this Liberation proposal's bit about "the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies" caused it to be brought up, as fascism is rightfully considered a hateful ideology.

[The Universe World]

I'm starting to get lost here because there's so many accusations be thrown around. What actions has the original founder taken.

The original founder established and maintained embassies with fascist regions. It is not why they were raided, but this Liberation proposal's bit about "the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies" caused it to be brought up, as fascism is rightfully considered a hateful ideology.

And most importantly, they redefined fascism in a policy that they still support.

[Outer Sparta]

The original founder established and maintained embassies with fascist regions. It is not why they were raided, but this Liberation proposal's bit about "the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies" caused it to be brought up, as fascism is rightfully considered a hateful ideology.

And most importantly, they redefined fascism in a policy that they still support.

In their earlier post in the thread that essentially was done again just to double down on their old embassy policy to accommodate fascist regions.

[Swaklaton]

I would like to personally once again thank all of the defenders. While we may not be able to save the embassies, I have unwavering confidence we can still save our region.

[Malphe II]

I would like to personally once again thank all of the defenders. While we may not be able to save the embassies, I have unwavering confidence we can still save our region.

Yeah, I'm actually curious to see what yall do with the region after this! A lot of raiders talk about how much activity raids bring to target regions, I'm interested to see how natives can work with that long term.

[Grea Kriopia]

This is now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=sc

[The Universe World]

This is now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=sc

For. This is needed.

[The North Polish Union]

The entire "Nazis might be OK, I'm not really sure though, but It*lians??!! No way!" routine that the ex-founder has gone through here is... unique?

[The Universe World]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47138557
It seems the ex-ruler is still defiant. May Swaklaton be a good leader.

The entire "Nazis might be OK, I'm not really sure though, but It*lians??!! No way!" routine that the ex-founder has gone through here is... unique?

I have never seen anything like it. It is… odd.

[Ever-Wandering Souls]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47138557
It seems the ex-ruler is still defiant. May Swaklaton be a good leader.

The entire "Nazis might be OK, I'm not really sure though, but It*lians??!! No way!" routine that the ex-founder has gone through here is... unique?

I have never seen anything like it. It is… odd.

In response to the ex-Founder's RMB post, we'd like to leave EmbassyRegionia with a parting gift towards rebuilding their embassies:

The Malicious Knife Enjoyer of The Vord proposed constructing embassies with Touch Grass.

[RCD Espanyol]

This is now at vote: https://www.nationstates.net/page=sc

For. This is needed.

I wouldn't be so sure about that, given that raiders have started to pull out of EmbassyRegionia already

[Team Leo]

I am against this proposal, as I am now a raider...

[Straona]

and yet again a liberation fails to do anything sadly as it took too long to get to the voting bloc and the Raiders are already leaving en mass

THat was quick Leo weren't you complaining about Raiders making the game bad for people when they sacked the Mystical Council like it was Constantinople?

[Team Leo]

and yet again a liberation fails to do anything sadly as it took too long to get to the voting bloc and the Raiders are already leaving en mass

THat was quick Leo weren't you complaining about Raiders making the game bad for people when they sacked the Mystical Council like it was Constantinople?

I'm a raider now. And I was mental about raiders. We need them bc without them, defenders wouldn't exist. Raiders make NS more fun.

[Straona]

and yet again a liberation fails to do anything sadly as it took too long to get to the voting bloc and the Raiders are already leaving en mass

THat was quick Leo weren't you complaining about Raiders making the game bad for people when they sacked the Mystical Council like it was Constantinople?

I'm a raider now. And I was mental about raiders. We need them bc without them, defenders wouldn't exist. Raiders make NS more fun.

That was the quickest flip flop of ideals I've ever seen here

[Team Leo]

I'm a raider now. And I was mental about raiders. We need them bc without them, defenders wouldn't exist. Raiders make NS more fun.

That was the quickest flip flop of ideals I've ever seen here

Well I've changed so I'm acting more mature.

[Astrobolt]

I'm a raider now. And I was mental about raiders. We need them bc without them, defenders wouldn't exist. Raiders make NS more fun.

Not all of them, but many defenders would gladly get rid of defending if it got rid of raiding. Defenderism is only really useful in order to counter raiding and to defend regional sovereignty, not an end in itself.

[Outer Sparta]

The real question now is: since the raiders are in the process of leaving since they just wiped out over a thousand embassies from the region, would the original founder be allowed to dictate affairs or do the natives already have a plan to ban them from the region once they take back control?

[Grea Kriopia]

I realize raiders have begun withdrawing from EmbassyRegionia, but this will not be tanked until the region is safely back in control and we confirm the natives don't desire the Liberation in place as a permanent security measure.

Discussions about these security measures going forward are ongoing and will be updated here depending on the decision. Happy to see the threat of a refound abated but we still need to look to the future to ensure EmbassyRegionia doesn't face this again.

[New Astri]

The real question now is: since the raiders are in the process of leaving since they just wiped out over a thousand embassies from the region, would the original founder be allowed to dictate affairs or do the natives already have a plan to ban them from the region once they take back control?

the native delegate does not support the founder and i'm guessing that the founder will be expunged from the community permanently (as should happen)

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Well, I wasn't really going to renounce my views anyways.

1. In that case, only the original Fascist Party is fash. Nazis are actually very different in how their "fascism" was operated and regulated compared to how Italy's system was operated and regulated.

2. Well, I don't support Hitler though at least

3. While there were certainly similarities, the two systems operated in different manner and used different motives to fuel their popularity and power seizure. So, Nazi can't necessarily be inherently fascist. That's my position


4. There are other problematic systems that aren't Fascist ya know

5. the definition of Fascism being universally accepted doesn't really make a difference because fascism has been redefined by my policy which is no longer enforced due to the raid

Also, how could you support ousting me in my very own region in favor of supporting another nation's definite leadership instead? Those embassies were constructed (pretty much) single-handedly over the span of nearly 11 months and are now all going to be closed in less than a day. That's not very easy to rebuild.

1. Your first point has nothing to do with what I said.
2. I literally just explained that I agreed that their are problematic systems other than fascism.
3. So you basically admitted that you do not care about what fascism actually is because the definition you curtailed for your policy is more important

1. I am pretty certain that my first point had everything to do with what you said. Having said "Well in that case" at the beginning which indicates that your statement was read so I decided to slightly change my position to fit with the subject matter.

2. No you didn't. All you stated was that there were other "unsavory" nations but that's just about it with no mention of other "problematic systems or ideologies"

3. Well, for the sake of the proper argumentation of the policy's justified enforcement, yep the definition that was explicitly packaged for my policy is considered to be more important than fascism's universal definition.