[DEFEATED] Liberate EmbassyRegionia

[Reploid Productions]

I was, and as explained above, was not currently aware of these events. On review of my actions, it may have been my fault for believing his nation was terminated for consistent WA abuse, and not thoroughly checking embassies. As of that moment, I entrusted him to establish embassies on my part. Never was it my intention to enable what may or may not be his personal belief.

Quick point of clarification: The founder was deleted for WA violations. What regions make embassies with one another and why is in no way a moderation matter.

[WayNeacTia]

Innocent regions don’t have fascist embassies are not fascist-aligned (which EmbassyRegonia is not), nor do their founders get deleted. If that is what you call “innocent”, I would really hate to hear your definition of “problem”…..

Fixed that for you

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

[New Astri]

I was, and as explained above, was not currently aware of these events. On review of my actions, it may have been my fault for believing his nation was terminated for consistent WA abuse, and not thoroughly checking embassies. As of that moment, I entrusted him to establish embassies on my part. Never was it my intention to enable what may or may not be his personal belief.

Quick point of clarification: The founder was deleted for WA violations. What regions make embassies with one another and why is in no way a moderation matter.

ahh, okay, thank you for clearing that up for us! ftr i believe people were implying that there may have been an offense we weren't aware of as opposed to believing he was punished for which embassies he established. nice to have that known for sure either way

[Grea Kriopia]

What's the bloody point, anyway? A bunch of defenders swooped in to give Devi the delegacy a few minutes ago - at the rate this is going I wouldn't say a password's happening any time soon, never mind a secret one.

This is a highly assuming what-if situation. There are a lot of things that can be done to prevent us from feasibly del tipping every single update which will allow multiple BCROs to clear defenders in the region with little influence consequence if they all maintain 100~ endorsements roughly.

The short answer is there is no way to know what the certain outcome is, but the intent is there and should be prevented.

[Platoon of Peace]

If we're gonna call the region fascist, that it's also worth pointing out that the 10th(I think) embassy they had was with a region called The Transgender Region. Obviously the founder said some pretty stupid stuff, but this isn't exactly a point worth discarding.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Emphasizing the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies or undermine the sovereignty of others to build community throughout the multiverse as they see fit,

If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

If you don't, and you commit, I'll support this. Souls is probably supporting it for the memes, but it'll basically be an accidental pre-emptive lib, and I think the SC should pre-emptively lib more regions like this.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47114195

Everybody should know where I'm coming from before y'all make assumptions.

[Ikania]

If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

If you don't, and you commit, I'll support this. Souls is probably supporting it for the memes, but it'll basically be an accidental pre-emptive lib, and I think the SC should pre-emptively lib more regions like this.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47114195

Everybody should know where I'm coming from before y'all make assumptions.

To put it nicely as possible, you are not helping your case.

[Embassies4Breakfast]

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47114195

Everybody should know where I'm coming from before y'all make assumptions.

To put it nicely as possible, you are not helping your case.

Well it's not like I have anything to apologize for. I have every right to be defensive. The private telegram being leaked and shared is one thing (and that should've never been sent) but deliberately attacking me for holding some of these views is crossing the line.

It didn't even occur to some of you that I wasn't politely asked why I believe these things, everyone just jumped on the "Let's all attack EmbassyRegionia for being a faschie sympathizer" card.

[Miravana]

To put it nicely as possible, you are not helping your case.

Well it's not like I have anything to apologize for. I have every right to be defensive. The private telegram being leaked and shared is one thing (and that should've never been sent) but deliberately attacking me for holding some of these views is crossing the line.

It didn't even occur to some of you that I wasn't politely asked why I believe these things, everyone just jumped on the "Let's all attack EmbassyRegionia for being a faschie sympathizer" card.

For the record, the raid is not being done because you are a "faschie sympathizer." It is done because we want to burn embassies. Some individuals joined in because they didn't like your views, and that is their opinion and viewpoint. However, it is not the viewpoint of the raiders leading the raid. We just like seeing embassies burn ^_^

[Embassies4Breakfast]

Well it's not like I have anything to apologize for. I have every right to be defensive. The private telegram being leaked and shared is one thing (and that should've never been sent) but deliberately attacking me for holding some of these views is crossing the line.

It didn't even occur to some of you that I wasn't politely asked why I believe these things, everyone just jumped on the "Let's all attack EmbassyRegionia for being a faschie sympathizer" card.

For the record, the raid is not being done because you are a "faschie sympathizer." It is done because we want to burn embassies. Some individuals joined in because they didn't like your views, and that is their opinion and viewpoint. However, it is not the viewpoint of the raiders leading the raid. We just like seeing embassies burn ^_^

Yeah. I suppose so. We've definitely seen this with previous embassy collectors where raiders attacked them just to destroy their embassy networks. Although, I'm not sure if Swaklaton is even on my side anymore... what I want to know is why a resident of The Black Hawks would secretly forward the telegram online which was then used as a pretext/justification by leftists to hop on board in this raid which was being commanded mainly by BoM

[New Astri]

If we're gonna call the region fascist, that it's also worth pointing out that the 10th(I think) embassy they had was with a region called The Transgender Region. Obviously the founder said some pretty stupid stuff, but this isn't exactly a point worth discarding.

no one is calling the region fascist, we're calling the region's founder's views & policies on fascism problematic.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47114195

Everybody should know where I'm coming from before y'all make assumptions.

uhh...what ikania said.

people have been upset with you because you have redefined fascism to this incredibly esoteric list of ridiculous and inaccurate specifications that enables you to justify rubbing shoulders with just about any fascist region on nationstates. and then instead of considering literally any of the critique you have received for this, you stood up in front of everyone and doubled down with what was essentially "i said what i said, neonazis aren't fash unless they're super devoted to mussolini."

"if a Fascist nation doesn't have an Italian flag then it isn't fascist." really? really man? that's a direct quote, for those who haven't read the linked rmb post yet. another gem is "As for the case of Barbaria I'll continue to never perceive them as 'fascist enough' by my definition to condemn them or close any embassy with them." sure, they talk about how hitler actually did some pretty good things on their RMB, but according to embassies4breakfast over here, "not all neo-nazis are necessarily fascists." people were giving you the benefit of the doubt, assuming that you didn't know about barbaria, and instead you've apparently personally reviewed them multiple times and just Actually Believe that supporting the dude who committed the largest genocide in history isn't grounds for being considered a fascist.

i don't think i need to specify how much worse nsleft's opinion of you is now. you can probably guess.

(also, sidenote: "It's possible to be both neo-nazi & fascists but not all neo-nazis are necessarily fascists if they support Adolf Hitler more than Benito Mussolini as Fascism has been reworded by myself into 'neo-mussolinism' instead"

hmm...so neo-nazis are into 'neo-mussolinism' and not fascism?
mussolinism, AKA fascism. neo-mussolinism, AKA...neo-fascism? :eyebrow: )

(sidenote sidenote after seeing the messages posted while i was typing this up: no, swaklaton does not support your actions. afaik the black hawks shared the things you said because they're immoral, contributing to normalizing fascism on nationstates, and should be talked about and strongly discouraged. i'm sure it's a nice side effect for them that it got us on board, though.)

[Franciara]

Emphasizing the right of all regions that do not endorse hateful ideologies or undermine the sovereignty of others to build community throughout the multiverse as they see fit,

If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

If you don't, and you commit, I'll support this. Souls is probably supporting it for the memes, but it'll basically be an accidental pre-emptive lib, and I think the SC should pre-emptively lib more regions like this.

Embassyregiona is an embassy collector region.

[New Astri]

Embassyregiona is an embassy collector region.

i know nobody wants to read through an entiiiire forum thread oftentimes but just letting you know that this point has been covered extensively in previous pages--we are all aware that it's an embassy collector, and at this point everyone is more upset with the founder's policies about embassies with fascist regions than the actual embassies themselves. here are the specific screenshots of the issues:

https://i.imgur.com/V8gjTPC.png
https://i.imgur.com/fcQMbBB.png
https://i.imgur.com/iyM2NiA.png

[Brox Reple]

If those are your exceptions, then you'd best withdraw this now. EmbassyRegionia has had embassies with fascists, some of which the Brotherhood of Malice are currently closing as part of this raid.
In your haste to defeat "hostile forces", you've lost sight of the bigger picture.

You've got a chance to realize you're going to bat for a region you shouldn't very early on in this. I hope you take advantage of it.

If you don't, and you commit, I'll support this. Souls is probably supporting it for the memes, but it'll basically be an accidental pre-emptive lib, and I think the SC should pre-emptively lib more regions like this.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=47114195

Everybody should know where I'm coming from before y'all make assumptions.

Given the last portion of your RMB post, I would like to say that the region Barbaria uses the black sun which a nazi symbol of nazi origin. Additionally the founder's pretitle is a reference to Hyperborea which has become a significant neo-nazi symbol online in the past few years.
While that might not fit your definition of fascist, I think it should be enough to condemn them and not keep an embassy open with that region.

[Apatosaurus II]

Fixed that for you

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

[New Astri]

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

personally that's exactly what i would expect from a former defender given the key word 'former'

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

Well.... that really depends on why the Founder copped a DEAT. There are some Founders around that pretty much everyone is hoping will incur the wrath and leave their region wide open.

[Outer Sparta]

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

Deleted for WA violations but the founder also seemed to have a tendency to accept embassies with fascist regions. Not the reason why they were deleted but certainly doesn't paint the region in a good light.

[WayNeacTia]

Interesting. You are asserting the founder wasn't deleted? When I click on their nation name, it says they were. Perhaps you should clear your browser cache and try looking again......

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

You seem to be making some interesting assertions here. Why be so coy Python? If you are going to make an accusation, put up or shut up.

[Apatosaurus II]

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

Well.... that really depends on why the Founder copped a DEAT. There are some Founders around that pretty much everyone is hoping will incur the wrath and leave their region wide open.

Sure, but WA multiing isn't really what would necessitate region destruction. This isn't a case like Sanctum or Genua after all.

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

You seem to be making some interesting assertions here. Why be so coy Python? If you are going to make an accusation, put up or shut up.

I see it's a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender?

[WayNeacTia]

You seem to be making some interesting assertions here. Why be so coy Python? If you are going to make an accusation, put up or shut up.

I see it's a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender?

I assume you have some ironclad evidence to back up your claims? Or are you simply talking out of your ass as normal?

[Spode Humbled Minions]

Having a deleted founder doesn't make you worthy of destruction. Honestly, I did expect better from a former defender than to defend region griefers.

You seem to be making some interesting assertions here. Why be so coy Python? If you are going to make an accusation, put up or shut up.

They're just in the conspiracy that you're a deep cover agent for the GAG23 plot.

Regarding the resolution at hand, full support- The Malice Botherhood's attempt to destroy the record of their various heinous secrets must be stopped in the name of both order and knowledge.

[Apatosaurus II]

I see it's a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender?

I assume you have some ironclad evidence to back up your claims? Or are you simply talking out of your ass as normal?

Some ironclad evidence for you. However, it really isn't a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender.

[WayNeacTia]

I assume you have some ironclad evidence to back up your claims? Or are you simply talking out of your ass as normal?

Some ironclad evidence for you. However, it really isn't a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender.

No…. You are accusing me of being a DOS player. Something you have been wanted for in the past. Perhaps you should have taken the hint the first time, instead of beating a dead horse.

[Apatosaurus II]

Some ironclad evidence for you. However, it really isn't a serious accusation to say that someone used to be a defender.

No…. You are accusing me of being a DOS player. Something you have been wanted for in the past. Perhaps you should have taken the hint the first time, instead of beating a dead horse.

I didn't make the accusation that you were DOS until you asked me to prove that you were once a defender.

EDIT: And I was wanted for accusing you of being DOS? I guess I need to accuse you of being DOS more so that I'm wanted more.