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by Thousand Branches » Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:12 pm
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:17 pm
Thousand Branches wrote:I have finally trawled the last page or so of edits and they have been updated accordingly, to the best of my ability. This includes, to a certain degree, Comfed, PRS, D&B, Goober, and Fhaeng’s suggestions. Thanks all for your wonderful comments, man I love this proposal and I am so happy to have folks helping me bring it back from the grave.
by Tinhampton » Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:48 pm
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Wed Sep 28, 2022 7:56 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Article 1ai would appear to allow any member state to threaten "any dispatched photographers or historians" - however incredibly - if that means stopping the artwork to be preserved in PAINT from being logged.
I quite frankly cannot make out who on Page 2 was lobbying for a moral decency or immoral sourcing exception in Article 2b. In any event, ART or any other WA committee should be in the business of determining what is beautiful (perhaps not even that), not what is right and wrong.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Thu Sep 29, 2022 1:39 pm
Tinhampton wrote:Article 1ai would appear to allow any member state to threaten "any dispatched photographers or historians" - however incredibly - if that means stopping the artwork to be preserved in PAINT from being logged.
I quite frankly cannot make out who on Page 2 was lobbying for a moral decency or immoral sourcing exception in Article 2b. In any event, ART or any other WA committee should be in the business of determining what is beautiful (perhaps not even that), not what is right and wrong.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 01, 2022 4:56 am
by West Barack and East Obama » Sat Oct 01, 2022 5:11 am
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:West Barack and East Obama wrote:Dr Justin Obama, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs: Why though? The internet gallery is completely fine, but a physical one that contains less artwork, costs more money to maintain has no benefits. Sure, 'up close and personal' appreciation of the art may be a small benefit, but that will only be available to the rich upper class and will not really benefit the WA as a whole, unless this physical gallery has plans to be absolutely ginormous and also be easily accessible by the vast majority of the WA (i.e. a huge number)
Sigh okay.
One, don’t know where you got the impression that the gallery would “only be available to the rich upper class”. I purposely never presented any price for entry and literally deemed specifically that it would be easily accessible by all WA nations. It literally says “a sufficiently accessible and sizable portion of land within international World Assembly territory”.
As for size, obviously it won’t be a small museum. If we were talking irl, it would be utterly implausible, but NationStates has literal hundreds of thousands of nations and over 20000 in the WA. And honestly assuming somehow every single nation wants to donate artwork, that’s still only 40000-ish artworks, a large complex could easily house that many. Shit, the Louvre has like 30 something thousand on it’s own.
Physical galleries are important because art is not always perfectly presented on a screen. Colors, strokes, details get lost in the pixels and the small size of a computer screen. It is important to be able to have a place to explore the cultures of WA nations from around the realm by really connecting to their art, in a way that cannot be achieved remotely. No, it is not a decision of pure efficiency, and I don’y believe it should be. The IGA remains.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:12 am
West Barack and East Obama wrote:The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:Sigh okay.
One, don’t know where you got the impression that the gallery would “only be available to the rich upper class”. I purposely never presented any price for entry and literally deemed specifically that it would be easily accessible by all WA nations. It literally says “a sufficiently accessible and sizable portion of land within international World Assembly territory”.
As for size, obviously it won’t be a small museum. If we were talking irl, it would be utterly implausible, but NationStates has literal hundreds of thousands of nations and over 20000 in the WA. And honestly assuming somehow every single nation wants to donate artwork, that’s still only 40000-ish artworks, a large complex could easily house that many. Shit, the Louvre has like 30 something thousand on it’s own.
Physical galleries are important because art is not always perfectly presented on a screen. Colors, strokes, details get lost in the pixels and the small size of a computer screen. It is important to be able to have a place to explore the cultures of WA nations from around the realm by really connecting to their art, in a way that cannot be achieved remotely. No, it is not a decision of pure efficiency, and I don’y believe it should be. The IGA remains.
OOC:
No mention of price of entry means that the PIECE/the committee in charge can set entry fees however they want, and they'll probably put a pretty penny on it to help run this massive museum. Not that the art gallery's entry fee is a concern to me, to be honest. If anything, it's the saving grace for the PIECE part, as it at least makes the venture profitable for the WA in a monetary sense. Taking time off work, having enough income to travel long distances, just to see the art from your nation in a museum that your tax dollars are paying for is not a privilege most have.
"sufficiently accessible" is rather meaningless. Accessible for whom? How sufficient is sufficient? Even if we're ignoring the space tech alternate dimension galaxy nations, it's going to be difficult. Someone from Australia or New Guinea would have a pretty hard time accessing either the UNHQ or the Louvre.
I think a better idea would be for the WA to support and fund museums across the WA. One big centralised WA museum just doesn't work practically. However, multiple museums working in cohesion with the WA's support to make art more accessible for all would be a worthwhile goal that I could support. (Not sure if my ambassador would though. Spending this, spending that, bleh)
by West Barack and East Obama » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:45 am
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:Also nothing in this proposal allows the committee to set a price on entry, that does not suddenly allow them to put a price on entry. Because the WAH doesn’t say anything about price of entry, does that somehow mean we need to pay to get into the building every time? That literally is such circular logic.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 01, 2022 8:52 am
West Barack and East Obama wrote:The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:Also nothing in this proposal allows the committee to set a price on entry, that does not suddenly allow them to put a price on entry. Because the WAH doesn’t say anything about price of entry, does that somehow mean we need to pay to get into the building every time? That literally is such circular logic.
OOC: Er... okay. Well, both the PIECE and WAHQ can set a price of entry, because nothing says they can't. It doesn't mean they will automatically do it, but given that this whole PIECE is a black hole sucking up all of the General Fund, they will most certainly do it (and the WAHQ has revenue streams from renters, so they don't need entry fees). And also, I said that was a moot point because price of entry was not my issue, I just discussed it because you mentioned it.
Anyways, choosing to construct an unreasonably huge and expensive structure over supporting individual museums seems like an odd choice to promote the arts, but what do I know. It'll be interesting to see how this (and subsequent repeal attempts upon passage) plays out with the voters.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Sat Oct 01, 2022 10:39 am
Comfed wrote:Still against given the lack of any consideration of the rights of the artists.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:26 pm
by Magecastle Embassy Building A5 » Tue Oct 04, 2022 7:55 pm
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Comfed wrote:When I look around me at the state of real life politics, with culture war arguments over abortion and LGBT rights, and then I look at the WA and see the same debates about cannibalism, I have hope for the world.
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Tue Oct 04, 2022 8:01 pm
Magecastle Embassy Building A5 wrote:"Why does the ART need to visit these museums? Why is it not possible to instead mandate that member nations directly provide such art to the ART, or have the ART otherwise receive it from member nations?"
~Alexander Nicholas Saverchenko-Coletti,
World Assembly Ambassador,
The Empire of The Ice States
by Free Algerstonia » Tue Oct 04, 2022 9:43 pm
by Simone Republic » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:18 am
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Wed Oct 05, 2022 4:30 am
Free Algerstonia wrote:The Algerstonican Patriotic Office of Creativity for the Nation and People of Algerstonia is waiting to see a concrete number of how much beautiful Algerstonican artwork will be presented in the World Assembly International Art Gallery. If the APOCNPA deems the amount too little of a showcase, this will be viewed as a slap in the face to the hard-working citizens of this country and the Free State will do everything within our power to destroy this proposal for ignoring Algerstonican cultural traditions and artwork.
Simone Republic wrote:I like the idea of the online gallery (section 1) so long as copyright issues are amply covered (since a lot of artworks have IP issues). Section 2 seems likely to cost a lot of money so I think it's more of a national respknsio/willingness issue.
by Free Algerstonia » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:33 am
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:Free Algerstonia wrote:The Algerstonican Patriotic Office of Creativity for the Nation and People of Algerstonia is waiting to see a concrete number of how much beautiful Algerstonican artwork will be presented in the World Assembly International Art Gallery. If the APOCNPA deems the amount too little of a showcase, this will be viewed as a slap in the face to the hard-working citizens of this country and the Free State will do everything within our power to destroy this proposal for ignoring Algerstonican cultural traditions and artwork.
This is already in the proposal, the amount of artwork from each nation is 2Simone Republic wrote:I like the idea of the online gallery (section 1) so long as copyright issues are amply covered (since a lot of artworks have IP issues). Section 2 seems likely to cost a lot of money so I think it's more of a national respknsio/willingness issue.
I’m honestly not sure what half of this means but I do have consent clauses for artworks displayed
by The United Sts of America » Wed Oct 05, 2022 6:43 am
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:37 am
The United Sts of America wrote:Interesting proposal
Would like to clarify some things:
1: Can art pieces be permanently in the gallery
2: Is the any more-specific term for art? I could splash paint and mix em together, get one of my friends in the govt(theoretically) to approve it, and I become famous
3: Are these galleries owned and operated by the WA or member nations? Assuming it's member nations, would nations be allowed to charge fees(i.e. entrance fees etc.) to help alleviate the cost of building, maintaining, and operating the galleries. And if allowed, does any of the monies collected have to be paid to the WA
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Fri Oct 07, 2022 4:01 am
by The Web of Life and Destiny » Mon Oct 10, 2022 8:16 pm
The Web of Life and Destiny wrote:Fuck it, we’re submitting on Sunday, edit now or forever hold your peace
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