[DEFEATED] Commend Shizensky Prime

[Apatosaurus]

Submitted.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Good luck.

[Fachumonn]

Submitted.

This has been approved! Nice job Apato!

[Apatosaurus]

WIth Klean Kanteen's approval, this is now at quorum.

[Apatosaurus]

This is now at vote...

[Eist]

No brainer. Great defender, great proposal.

FOR

[Drop Your Pants]

During this time period, there was much miscommunication between defenders (in particular TITO and other defenders), as well as political turmoil (for example, the FRA and UDL frequently fighting each other for political reasons or even just minutiae, which significantly hindered proper collaboration between defenders). The RIASF helped coordinate and communicate between defenders during this time period despite this situation and thus provided critical stability to the defending faction.

Shiz is an amazing player but you're talking absolute horeshite there What actually happened was the actual updaters of the time worked together and eventually the political players either left or learnt to deal with it. RIASF were barely visible during a lot of the FRA/UDL squabbles.

[Team Leo]

For, good luck Apoto.

[Apatosaurus]

During this time period, there was much miscommunication between defenders (in particular TITO and other defenders), as well as political turmoil (for example, the FRA and UDL frequently fighting each other for political reasons or even just minutiae, which significantly hindered proper collaboration between defenders). The RIASF helped coordinate and communicate between defenders during this time period despite this situation and thus provided critical stability to the defending faction.

Shiz is an amazing player but you're talking absolute horeshite there :lol: What actually happened was the actual updaters of the time worked together and eventually the political players either left or learnt to deal with it. RIASF were barely visible during a lot of the FRA/UDL squabbles.

... I was very much informed otherwise by others active at the time as well as resources from that time as to the RIA's involvement in coordination and communication between defenders in this time period >_<

[Tangaroan Islands]

During this time period, there was much miscommunication between defenders (in particular TITO and other defenders), as well as political turmoil (for example, the FRA and UDL frequently fighting each other for political reasons or even just minutiae, which significantly hindered proper collaboration between defenders). The RIASF helped coordinate and communicate between defenders during this time period despite this situation and thus provided critical stability to the defending faction.

Shiz is an amazing player but you're talking absolute horeshite there What actually happened was the actual updaters of the time worked together and eventually the political players either left or learnt to deal with it. RIASF were barely visible during a lot of the FRA/UDL squabbles.

Hi DYP, long time no see, how are you? While I cannot comment on the UDL vs FRA squabbles as I have at no point taken part in those. My personal interpretation of that part of the commendation has nothing to do with UDL vs FRA. As you will undoubtedly agree, before libcord and even throughout the first years of that being a place of full unity, it was extremely difficult to gather big numbers, partly due to there not being a good bond between some of the bigger organizations. TITO at the time was incredibly hard to coordinate with, one might call them (and what’s in a name) an island. However, because of Shiz’s history within the XKI the good reputation of the RIASF, on some occasions when it did matter, TITO command would join #riasf and we would be able to work together to get things done.

Cheers,

Tanga

[WayNeacTia]

Shiz is an amazing player but you're talking absolute horeshite there What actually happened was the actual updaters of the time worked together and eventually the political players either left or learnt to deal with it. RIASF were barely visible during a lot of the FRA/UDL squabbles.

Hi DYP, long time no see, how are you? While I cannot comment on the UDL vs FRA squabbles as I have at no point taken part in those. My personal interpretation of that part of the commendation has nothing to do with UDL vs FRA. As you will undoubtedly agree, before libcord and even throughout the first years of that being a place of full unity, it was extremely difficult to gather big numbers, partly due to there not being a good bond between some of the bigger organizations. TITO at the time was incredibly hard to coordinate with, one might call them (and what’s in a name) an island. However, because of Shiz’s history within the XKI the good reputation of the RIASF, on some occasions when it did matter, TITO command would join #riasf and we would be able to work together to get things done.

Cheers,

Tanga

It really is amazing what could be accomplished with IRC back then. A lot of raiders at the the time had transitioned to Skype, and I always wondered why defenders continued to use IRC.

[Penguin Dictators]

Hi DYP, long time no see, how are you? While I cannot comment on the UDL vs FRA squabbles as I have at no point taken part in those. My personal interpretation of that part of the commendation has nothing to do with UDL vs FRA. As you will undoubtedly agree, before libcord and even throughout the first years of that being a place of full unity, it was extremely difficult to gather big numbers, partly due to there not being a good bond between some of the bigger organizations. TITO at the time was incredibly hard to coordinate with, one might call them (and what’s in a name) an island. However, because of Shiz’s history within the XKI the good reputation of the RIASF, on some occasions when it did matter, TITO command would join #riasf and we would be able to work together to get things done.

Cheers,

Tanga

It really is amazing what could be accomplished with IRC back then. A lot of raiders at the the time had transitioned to Skype, and I always wondered why defenders continued to use IRC.

Ways were weird then, like the weirdness that some folks used to have specifically against Esper.net specific IRC chatrooms. If I had to guess, it was probably more of a security thing for them, since the normally used IRC chats that I at least remembered from my Defender days were ones like 10KI's own specific IRC chat that they had at the time. The same is probably why IRC was used more than Skype.

That's just a guess though and could easily be wrong.

Anyways, I know Shiz, I like Shiz, and agree that they're commendable easily. So I'm an obvious FOR.

[Paffnia]

An incredibly worthy nominee. Full support.

[Malicious Souls]

Divisive.

[FinRussland]

You won’t find me on the NS forums very often, and definitely not as a contributor.
However for this man I will make an exception.

I can speak to the truth of most that is mentioned in this post.
The people mentioned by apatosaurus are many and I know there are a lot more players in every branch of the game that owe their careers, pleasure in the game, their training,… to Shizensky.

I joined the Renegade Islands Alliance all these years ago because of a well written recruitment telegram. I stayed because of Shiz.

So there is only one thing I can say/do towards this proposal and that is applaud it.

As a long time region member and long time lurker, I fully echo this sentiment.

[Warzone Codger]

An unfortunate consequence of region not using these forums any more is that we don't get a record of the arguments leading to a resolution to fail. I'm not going to read every region's IFV and I'm even less likely to do so if I want to look back months from now

Every reply in the thread is positive. Why is it failing?

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

An unfortunate consequence of region not using these forums any more is that we don't get a record of the arguments leading to a resolution to fail. I'm not going to read every region's IFV and I'm even less likely to do so if I want to look back months from now

Every reply in the thread is positive. Why is it failing?

Not sure Codger, normally there is some brief from the major regions either here and/or in Dispatches. Nothing that I can see at the moment though.

[Fachumonn]

There really is no reason this should be closely voted down. As expressed by many others in this thread, Shiz. is definitely commendable. It was a well-written and well-crafted proposal with experienced WA authors. If this gets shot down (which it likely will), I'm not sure many are going to be willing to give up on it.

I have abstained since my region has voted against but I have a strong position for the proposal. Would like to see this thing pass, of course, but If it doesn't I assume someone else will pick up on this very soon.

(The delegate of the region Libertarian Socialist Confederation has abstained from voting on this proposal. Current numbers in the region indicate 4-2 against, but there shall be no delegate vote.)

[Apatosaurus]

An unfortunate consequence of region not using these forums any more is that we don't get a record of the arguments leading to a resolution to fail. I'm not going to read every region's IFV and I'm even less likely to do so if I want to look back months from now

Every reply in the thread is positive. Why is it failing?

Apparently because I wrote it and that's the worst possible issue a resolution could ever have

[WayNeacTia]

An unfortunate consequence of region not using these forums any more is that we don't get a record of the arguments leading to a resolution to fail. I'm not going to read every region's IFV and I'm even less likely to do so if I want to look back months from now

Every reply in the thread is positive. Why is it failing?

Apparently because I wrote it and that's the worst possible issue a resolution could ever have

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused that unfortunate situation for you.

[Fachumonn]

Apparently because I wrote it and that's the worst possible issue a resolution could ever have

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused that unfortunate situation for you.

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused people to dislike you.

[WayNeacTia]

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused that unfortunate situation for you.

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused people to dislike you.

I'm not trying to pass resolutions. He is. See the difference?

[Fachumonn]

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused people to dislike you.

I'm not trying to pass resolutions. He is. See the difference?

Well maybe you should try, and see how easy it is, huh?

[Minskiev]

I'm not trying to pass resolutions. He is. See the difference?

Well maybe you should try, and see how easy it is, huh?

Have you passed a resolution?

Dislike Wayne for this, dislike Wayne for that, he likes the attention.

[Free Algerstonia]

It really is comments exactly like this one, that has caused people to dislike you.

I'm not trying to pass resolutions. He is. See the difference?

Nope.