[DEFEATED] Liberate Ukraine (by United Terinova/RiderSyl)

[Tinhampton]

In light of recent... events, is Syl still expecting apologies over the weekend?

[Lenlyvit]

Ukraine has an active founder and non-executive WA Delegate. This scenario doesn't make any sense unless you assume that the founder is going to CTE sometime soon. In my opinion, this proposal is clearly just an attempt to comment on a RL event without breaking SC rules while metatextually winking at the reader. And I think it does fine at that job.

You're right that that's what this was written to be, but as time went on I found myself wanting to pull this from the queue, especially as the situation the proposal was in became more and more clear. In the end, however, I made a conscious decision to let this go to vote as to not to harm the Brotherhood of Malice's operation in The Mystical Council.

In turn, I wanted the Brotherhood of Malice to vote against the proposal. The raider delegate of The Mystical Council has indeed voted against. I have also personally voted against my own proposal, as United Terinova. I hope to revisit this idea another time, under entirely different circumstances, but right now, it needs to be stomped into the ground as the botch-job it is.

The raider delegate isn't voting on the proposal at all. Also, I don't suggest you pursue this in the future, it'll get creamed just as bad as it's being creamed now.

In light of recent... events, is Syl still expecting apologies over the weekend?

With the region passworded, the raiders switching delegates for influence use, and three more natives kicked out? And their pilers leaving for the refound? I doubt she'll get any apologies.

[Unified Communist Councils]

Using a real world geopolitical crisis as a quaint way to push out some game-side, virtual in-character RP instead of showing the aforementioned OOC developments the serious, meaningful and respectful tone it deserves is offensive and unhelpful to those actually afflicted. This liberation has my opposition.

[Anozia]

I'm surprised there's no rule against this (that I could find explicitly at least).
It's one thing to discuss touchy topics on ongoing real world geopolitical affairs, it's another to engrave something permanently in an issue or resolution.
Maybe targeting a different region with arguments based on a perception of what's going on IRL, exaggerated to fit the mood of the game better, may have been a better compromise.
But directly transcribing real-world ongoing stuff to that extent, I think it's wrong.

[SarkanyGarden]

From logistic and strategic points of view, you would have to spend a lot of time combing over every tiny detail since liberation has many flaws at the moment in which could backfire.
Problem A: Due to constant war whether raising militia or so other nation calls rebels, other nation has also improvised with their own smaller faction of its own backed militia leaving the small area of Ukraine a warzone.
Ukraine would have to prioritize Its ally's first for support before slowly integrating their backed militia into their own military once more or have better communication with their leading parties instead of having carriers drive or run to said commanders.
Problem B: Other Nation almost completely surrounds the now land-locked nation though Ukraine has gotten its supplies via air and a small portion of troops from now friendly nations we now run into the problem. It is a High tension of nonaggression at the moment other nation if they were not being highly watched could easily storm the capital from orbital mapping we can see a military depo set up by other nation not far from Kiev so with that in mind were at a tipping point.
We're either waiting for old peace treaties to be void or for the bigger nation to act also.
On a personal level, I wouldn't trust the populace seeing as they both hold each side in big regard which could lead to messier outcomes if not handled properly.

[Krulltopia]

Assuming Ukrainian Cavask (the founder of Ukraine) is the same player as Cavask (the founder of Poland) which seems likely, there's a good chance the region becomes founderless at times until he returns to the game. Although he's never disappeared long-term, Cavask is hardly the most active regional administrator.

Todd was the founder, but he kindly passed it to me a while ago. I am still around. I started paying more attention to the region a while ago and have no intention of letting the founder CTE.

[OsCongo]

Code: Select all

01100101 01110101 00100000 01110011 01101111 01110101 00100000 01100011 01101111 01101110 01110100 01110010 01100001 00100000 01100001 00100000 01110101 01100011 01110010 01100001 01101110 01101001 01100001

[The North Polish Union]

Assuming Ukrainian Cavask (the founder of Ukraine) is the same player as Cavask (the founder of Poland) which seems likely, there's a good chance the region becomes founderless at times until he returns to the game. Although he's never disappeared long-term, Cavask is hardly the most active regional administrator.

Todd was the founder, but he kindly passed it to me a while ago. I am still around. I started paying more attention to the region a while ago and have no intention of letting the founder CTE.

Good to know. I assume this applies to both Cavask and Ukrainian Cavask?

So you've gone userite now?

[Lenlyvit]

"Liberate Ukraine" was defeated 11,982 votes to 2,468.

[Krulltopia]

Good to know. I assume this applies to both Cavask and Ukrainian Cavask?

So you've gone userite now?

Don't know why you'd assume that, I only mentioned the Ukraine founder. I've looked after Ukraine for a few years now.

Anyway, this resolution has thankfully been crushed.

[RiderSyl]

Well, I botched the execution of this proposal.

The rest of you didn't.

[Free Algerstonia]

"Liberate Ukraine" was defeated 11,982 votes to 2,468.

the russian social media bots strike again

[Outer Sparta]

Well, I botched the execution of this proposal.

The rest of you didn't.

It was an intriguing idea though.

[Andusre]

Recent developments in the past few hours have only just sank in & put this proposal in context. I had a gut feeling that Liberate Ukraine wasn't a good idea from the beginning, but now I am absolutely convinced that this proposal was a serious & harrowing error of judgement.

[RiderSyl]

I had a gut feeling that Liberate Ukraine wasn't a good idea from the beginning, but now I am absolutely convinced that this proposal was a serious & harrowing error of judgement.

Why?

[Reventus Koth]

Recent developments in the past few hours have only just sank in & put this proposal in context. I had a gut feeling that Liberate Ukraine wasn't a good idea from the beginning, but now I am absolutely convinced that this proposal was a serious & harrowing error of judgement.

The only serious and harrowing error of judgment I see here is a bad faith post on a defeated proposal (whose thread should probably be locked by now) that seems to have been made only for the purpose of shaming the author based on something that hadn't even happened when the proposal was written. I thought you were above this level of pearl clutching.

[Thousand Branches]

Recent developments in the past few hours have only just sank in & put this proposal in context. I had a gut feeling that Liberate Ukraine wasn't a good idea from the beginning, but now I am absolutely convinced that this proposal was a serious & harrowing error of judgement.

The only serious and harrowing error of judgment I see here is a bad faith post on a defeated proposal (whose thread should probably be locked by now) that seems to have been made only for the purpose of shaming the author based on something that hadn't even happened when the proposal was written. I thought you were above this level of pearl clutching.

Former proposal threads are pretty rarely locked, only if they’re causing disruption. Heck, even once they’re archived they usually aren’t locked and from what I’ve been told, they generally wait a week or two before archiving as well