[DEFEATED] Declaration on Raider Unity

[Team Leo]

Isn't raider a nice way of saying terrorist? There's no honor among thieves.

I'll vote yes anyway just to humor ya and promote NOT being raided. By all means raid others though. Look I depicted them as a soyjack whilst my country is wholesome Big-Chungus, Elon Musk. The right side of history.

Comparing raiders to terrorists? That’s like comparing Covid to Ebola. Seems there is no middle of the road in your interpretations.

They terrorized my regions, Wayne.

[New King Isles]

Comparing raiders to terrorists? That’s like comparing Covid to Ebola. Seems there is no middle of the road in your interpretations.

They terrorized my regions, Wayne.

Ok, but nobody cares about your regions

[Dawn Denac]

Isn't raider a nice way of saying terrorist? There's no honor among thieves.

I'll vote yes anyway just to humor ya and promote NOT being raided. By all means raid others though. Look I depicted them as a soyjack whilst my country is wholesome Big-Chungus, Elon Musk. The right side of history.

We don't harm people with the goal of advancing a political cause, for one.

Also a bit of a leap in logic to make, but Wayne already pointed that out.

[Wallenburg]

Isn't raider a nice way of saying terrorist? There's no honor among thieves.

I'll vote yes anyway just to humor ya and promote NOT being raided. By all means raid others though. Look I depicted them as a soyjack whilst my country is wholesome Big-Chungus, Elon Musk. The right side of history.

Comparing raiders to terrorists? That’s like comparing Covid to Ebola. Seems there is no middle of the road in your interpretations.

Seeing as both are deadly diseases that have killed many people in widespread epidemics, you may want to try a different analogy.

[WayNeacTia]

Comparing raiders to terrorists? That’s like comparing Covid to Ebola. Seems there is no middle of the road in your interpretations.

They terrorized my regions, Wayne.

And a grand sum of nobody, outside of you gives a fuck. Perhaps you should take the hint and realize that not every thread in either the Security Council or Gameplay is about the regions, which you refounded being taken away from you.

Comparing raiders to terrorists? That’s like comparing Covid to Ebola. Seems there is no middle of the road in your interpretations.

Seeing as both are deadly diseases that have killed many people in widespread epidemics, you may want to try a different analogy.

We could get into a longwinded debate about the mortality rates of COVID, compared to Ebola, but that is not the point of this thread. Needless to say, Poke's comparison would be like equating some guy who graffiti's a wall to the actual terrorists who committed 9/11.

[Apatosaurus]

They terrorized my regions, Wayne.

And a grand sum of nobody, outside of you gives a fuck. Perhaps you should take the hint and realize that not every thread in either the Security Council or Gameplay is about the regions, which you refounded being taken away from you.

Lennox is right. Why should we vote to promote the ideals of people who think it's amusing to destroy people's regions and communities?

[Dawn Denac]

And a grand sum of nobody, outside of you gives a fuck. Perhaps you should take the hint and realize that not every thread in either the Security Council or Gameplay is about the regions, which you refounded being taken away from you.

Lennox is right. Why should we vote to promote the interests of people who think it's amusing to destroy people's regions and communities?

Out of the sake of being devil's advocate: if a defender proposed this, would the reaction be of support?

[WayNeacTia]

And a grand sum of nobody, outside of you gives a fuck. Perhaps you should take the hint and realize that not every thread in either the Security Council or Gameplay is about the regions, which you refounded being taken away from you.

Lennox is right. Why should we vote to promote the interests of people who think it's amusing to destroy people's regions and communities?

First of all, the regions are property of the game, and whose use is permitted by the game creator. That creator also just happened to leave a mechanism in the game, which allows said region to be taken over by someone else. It's called politics. You want your safe region? The game creator also happened to give you the ability to keep your region and "community" that way. If a founder CTE's and the region is left wide open, then tough shit. That is how the game is DESIGNED to work.

[Apatosaurus]

Lennox is right. Why should we vote to promote the interests of people who think it's amusing to destroy people's regions and communities?

First of all, the regions are property of the game, and whose use is permitted by the game creator. That creator also just happened to leave a mechanism in the game, which allows said region to be taken over by someone else. It's called politics. You want your safe region? The game creator also happened to give you the ability to keep your region and "community" that way. If a founder CTE's and the region is left wide open, then tough shit. That is how the game is DESIGNED to work.

That moderation has not banned something doesn't mean that it's okay.

[WayNeacTia]

First of all, the regions are property of the game, and whose use is permitted by the game creator. That creator also just happened to leave a mechanism in the game, which allows said region to be taken over by someone else. It's called politics. You want your safe region? The game creator also happened to give you the ability to keep your region and "community" that way. If a founder CTE's and the region is left wide open, then tough shit. That is how the game is DESIGNED to work.

That moderation has not banned something doesn't mean that it's okay.

What part did you miss in, that is how the game is DESIGNED to work?

[Apatosaurus]

That moderation has not banned something doesn't mean that it's okay.

What part did you miss in, that is how the game is DESIGNED to work?

Again, just because moderation has not banned something DOESN'T mean it's okay.

[Praeceps]

Is THIS what we do now?

[WayNeacTia]

What part did you miss in, that is how the game is DESIGNED to work?

Again, just because moderation has not banned something DOESN'T mean it's okay.

Please explain how moderation would ban a core game function? Also you more than anyone seem to acquaint tagging with somehow "destroying" regions a communities. Last time I checked and I did so just now, griefing is against the rules. Yet somehow raiding isn't against the rules. Do you want to know why? THE GAME IS FUNCTIONALLY DESIGNED TO WORK THIS WAY! You want a nice safe game? Go create one, because 99% of this game's community cares very little about your endless prattle of raiders "destroying" regions.

Is THIS what we do now?

It's a new fad in development. I am kind of hoping is catches on so I can patent it.

[Apatosaurus]

Is THIS what we do now?

YES.

Again, just because moderation has not banned something DOESN'T mean it's okay.

Please explain how moderation would ban a core game function? Also you more than anyone seem to acquaint tagging with somehow "destroying" regions a communities. Last time I checked and I did so just now, griefing is against the rules.

Griefing the game rule is not necessarily the same as region griefing in raiding.

Yet somehow raiding isn't against the rules. Do you want to know why? THE GAME IS FUNCTIONALLY DESIGNED TO WORK THIS WAY! You want a nice safe game? Go create one, because 99% of this game's community cares very little about your endless prattle of raiders "destroying" regions.

THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT RAIDING IS NECESSARILY OKAY!

[WayNeacTia]

Fine. I give up.

[New King Isles]

What the HELL

[Platoon of Peace]

Is THIS what we do now?

It's a new fad in development. I am kind of hoping is catches on so I can patent it.

I WILL BE JUMPING ON THIS TRAIN

I don't have my WA on this account at the moment, but I support this nonetheless. Raiding truly is a threat to the world

[WayNeacTia]

Raiding truly is a threat to the world

Yes, yes. I am quite sure that Moldova has mobilized it's armed forces because Malice tagged a couple of regions......

[Fachumonn]

Raiding truly is a threat to the world

Yes, yes. I am quite sure that Moldova has mobilized it's armed forces because Malice tagged a couple of regions......

Oh great, back to being snarky after being defeated. I guess it's the only thing you can do successfully.

[WayNeacTia]

Yes, yes. I am quite sure that Moldova has mobilized it's armed forces because Malice tagged a couple of regions......

Oh great, back to being snarky after being defeated. It's the only thing you know how to do.

I wasn't defeated. I simply don't want to get warned for spamming by continuing to yell at someone who closes their eyes and plugs their ears. As for your opinion of me? I am pretty sure you know exactly where it will be filed, so don't waste the keystrokes.....

[Fachumonn]

Oh great, back to being snarky after being defeated. It's the only thing you know how to do.

I wasn't defeated. I simply don't want to get warned for spamming by continuing to yell at someone who closes their eyes and plugs their ears. As for your opinion of me? I am pretty sure you know exactly where it will be filed, so don't waste the keystrokes.....

Congratulations! That is the best compliment you have ever given me.

[Platoon of Peace]

Raiding truly is a threat to the world

Yes, yes. I am quite sure that Moldova has mobilized it's armed forces because Malice tagged a couple of regions......

The nationstates world dude.

[Madjack]

That moderation has not banned something doesn't mean that it's okay.

What part did you miss in, that is how the game is DESIGNED to work?

No it isn't. Whilst raiding is allowed and moderation has repeatedly stated it always will be, raiding was never designed to be part of NationStates. It was an unintended - and unforeseen - side effect of the then-UN mechanic.

Of course, none of this is actually relevant to the proposal at hand.

[Dawn Denac]

I'm still curious on my question of if a defender proposed this, would it be passable to defenders?
EDIT: There was an annoying space here, it is now this message.

[Quebecshire]

I'm still curious on my question of if a defender proposed this, would it be passable to defenders?

Defenders are not a monolith, but, I would likely still oppose it, though my predominant reason would no longer be "it's a blatant self-condemn".