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I support Liberating ALH while the raiders continue to control it. This will not be submitted until after Garchyland returns to the WA Delegacy of ALH, where he has frequently served for at least the past decade - and I assume that he'll be catapulted back into power as soon as the Liberation passes. (Yes, I have obtained Garchy's support for this repeal in the highly likely event that those circumstances arise.)

Repeal "Liberate A Liberal Haven"
A resolution to repeal previously passed legislation.

Category: Repeal

Resolution: SC#380

Proposed by: Tinhampton

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Security Council Resolution #380 “Liberate A Liberal Haven” shall be struck out and rendered null and void.

THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

RECALLING that, between the 2nd of January and the 3rd of February 2022, the World Assembly Delegacy of [region=A Liberal Haven] (ALH) was held by a raider called Got the munchies real bad man, a vassal state of Vando0sa which had resided in ALH for six years;

NOTING that Got the munchies real bad man:

1. replaced ALH's native-imposed visible password with a nominally secret password upon seizing its delegacy;
2. was at first supported by about twenty-five members of [region=The Black Hawks] and [region=Lone Wolves United];
3. swelled to an astonishing 140 endorsements on the 6th of January, due to not only previously-uninvolved members of TBH and LWU but also forces from the [region=Karma]da, the Royal Kantrian Army of [region=Kantrias], [region=Osiris]' Sekhmet Legion, [region=Caer Sidi]'s Autumnal Court and elsewhere;
4. had been endorsed by just shy of 160 soldiers when SC#380 was passed on the 7th of January;
5. by the 9th of January, had received no less than 203 endorsements (thus becoming the world's 14th-most powerful delegate), where they hovered for a number of weeks; and
6. banned Maineiacs on the 1st of February, before banning themselves on the 3rd of February;

THANKFUL that Garchyland was restored to their rightful post as ALH's native WA Delegate on the 3rd of February 2022 after the withdrawal of the raider party, despite multiple unsuccessful attempts by large defender forces to return them to power in the days after SC#380 passed; and therefore

ACKNOWLEDGING not only the support of Garchyland and Maineiacs (ALH's last two natives) for a repeal of SC#380, but also the desire of Garchyland to reimpose a password upon ALH to once more guarantee its security - an action which they cannot take unless SC#380 is repealed:

HEREBY REPEALS SC#380 "Liberate A Liberal Haven."

Thank you Tinhampton for your support with this measure.

Although it is still early to talk about repealing liberation while the other measure has not yet passed, having a ready to go repeal will allow for a quick transition back with limited disruption.

As for our future: Many of our residents and friends who were created in antiquity have died off. Maineiacs and I are the only original nations that remain. The region will once again be password protected and not visible. Although it pains me as a "haven" to not have open borders, we currently do not have the WA membership necessary to avoid future raids. The region will stay locked with our two nations for posterity, and those who come to us wishing to join and be active will be encouraged to join other regions who we share diplomatic ties with (Forest and The Social Liberal Union, for example). We hope to re-open our embassies (if they are closed before control is gained) and open NEW diplomatic ties with regions who share similar ideals. Perhaps this journey will have been worth it if it reignites the flame that our ancient region once had.

How’s about letting one of the natives write the repeal Tin? It’s their region.

Maineiacs, ALH's other native, has expressed his support for this repeal to me. It has been reflected in the draft accordingly (see ACKNOWLEDGING).

Yes, I fully support this, and given that I've never written a proposal and am not familiar with what is required, I'm fine with Tinhampton drafting the repeal measure.

Quick edits!

Tinhampton wrote:RECALLING that, between the 2nd and 7th of January 2022, the World Assembly Delegacy of [region=A Liberal Haven] (ALH) was held by a raider called Got the munchies real bad man, a vassal state of Vando0sa which had resided in the region for six years, supported by about twenty-five members of [region=The Black Hawks] and [region=Lone Wolves United];

“which had” —> “that had”

Tinhampton wrote:NOTING that, on the 7th of January 2022, not only was SC#380 passed to remove the secret password that Got the munchies real bad man imposed upon ALH - which replaced its native-imposed visible password - but Garchyland was also returned to their rightful post as ALH's native WA Delegate;

Hmm this is a bit jumbled, rewrite:

“ECSTATIC that, upon the passing of SC#380 on the 7th of January 2022, the regional password was removed and, through defender efforts, the native delegate, Garchyland, was returned to their rightful post;”

Tinhampton wrote:CONVINCED that Garchyland should be entitled to reimpose a password upon ALH to guarantee its security once more, which cannot happen unless SC#380 is repealed:

“which cannot happen unless SC#380 is repealed:” —> “a process that can only occur with the repeal of SC#380”

Done, have a great day!

-A

Thousand Branches wrote:Quick edits!

1. not super-convinced
2. a rewrite has happened (admittedly in part to reflect the pile surge that's been happening over the past couple of hours) - hopefully you like it!
3. even less convinced

With this major's attempted liberation not having gone exactly to plan (unless you're a BC RO in A Liberal Haven), I can confirm that this won't be submitted for at least another 36 hours or so.

The Liberation's set to pass at minor update in 11 hours and this will be put on last call whenever Garchyland returns to the delegacy. If on Friday minor, I'll submit on Saturday's minor. If between Saturday major and Monday major, then on Monday's minor (IRL has me tied down for Sunday afternoon, Greenwich Mean Time). If on Monday minor or later, I'll submit on the minor update of the day after Garchyland regains power.

Wayneactia wrote:How’s about letting one of the natives write the repeal Tin? It’s their region.

Nah OG...

This is never happening, is it?

Maineiacs wrote:This is never happening, is it?

Sure.... We can repeal the liberation while your region is still occupied if you really want.

Wayneactia wrote:

Maineiacs wrote:This is never happening, is it?

Sure.... We can repeal the liberation while your region is still occupied if you really want.

Wayne's right here. If it's repealed now, they can just as easily password the thing again and ultimately refund it if they want. Though such an operation would take such a long time as to not be worth it.)

Eventually the siege will end. Either because the 'fendas pull off the win or because the raiders decide that dedicating nearly every resource they have into this is not such a great idea while the 'fendas direct their attention at taking off updates to finish wiping up the remaining tags across the multiverse.

Hulldom wrote:

Wayneactia wrote:Sure.... We can repeal the liberation while your region is still occupied if you really want.

Wayne's right here. If it's repealed now, they can just as easily password the thing again and ultimately refund it if they want. Though such an operation would take such a long time as to not be worth it.)

Eventually the siege will end. Either because the 'fendas pull off the win or because the raiders decide that dedicating nearly every resource they have into this is not such a great idea while the 'fendas direct their attention at taking off updates to finish wiping up the remaining tags across the multiverse.

Pretty sure raiders will take this win over having their tags cleaned up any day.

I am still not going to submit this until Garchyland returns to ALH's delegacy (or all natives are banned, in which case I'll give this draft a significant revamp and give you lot a few days' notice).

Tinhampton wrote:I am still not going to submit this until Garchyland returns to ALH's delegacy (or all natives are banned, in which case I'll give this draft a significant revamp and give you lot a few days' notice).

It doesn't really look like he will regain the delegacy. There are 480+ raiders, all of whom have endorsed the leader of the raid. I'm not eager to call off the liberation, but it's looking like it's not going to succeed, and I'm at a loss about what to do.

I doubt the raiders will try to destroy the region.
https://www.nationstates.net/page=list_ ... ensusid=65

Maineiacs wrote:

Tinhampton wrote:I am still not going to submit this until Garchyland returns to ALH's delegacy (or all natives are banned, in which case I'll give this draft a significant revamp and give you lot a few days' notice).

It doesn't really look like he will regain the delegacy. There are 480+ raiders, all of whom have endorsed the leader of the raid. I'm not eager to call off the liberation, but it's looking like it's not going to succeed, and I'm at a loss about what to do.

Yeah looks like the liberation was passed on January 7, which according to the regional history, was when there was around 250 nations present. Before, the region only had like around 20 nations for years, a constant number. How's the defending efforts and the fight against the raiders so far when now you have over 400 nations in the region?

Outer Sparta wrote:

Maineiacs wrote:

It doesn't really look like he will regain the delegacy. There are 480+ raiders, all of whom have endorsed the leader of the raid. I'm not eager to call off the liberation, but it's looking like it's not going to succeed, and I'm at a loss about what to do.

Yeah looks like the liberation was passed on January 7, which according to the regional history, was when there was around 250 nations present. Before, the region only had like around 20 nations for years, a constant number. How's the defending efforts and the fight against the raiders so far when now you have over 400 nations in the region?

All I know is they haven't kicked out yet. No idea why.

Maineiacs wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Yeah looks like the liberation was passed on January 7, which according to the regional history, was when there was around 250 nations present. Before, the region only had like around 20 nations for years, a constant number. How's the defending efforts and the fight against the raiders so far when now you have over 400 nations in the region?

All I know is they haven't kicked out yet. No idea why.

Because defenders haven’t been able to raise the numbers necessary to retake the Delegacy. So you’re going to have to wait until either they can or the raiders leave of their own accord.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:

Maineiacs wrote:

All I know is they haven't kicked out yet. No idea why.

Because defenders haven’t been able to raise the numbers necessary to retake the Delegacy. So you’re going to have to wait until either they can or the raiders leave of their own accord.

Y dont u get ur forces from TWPAF to help then?

Team Leo wrote:

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Because defenders haven’t been able to raise the numbers necessary to retake the Delegacy. So you’re going to have to wait until either they can or the raiders leave of their own accord.

Y dont u get ur forces from TWPAF to help then?

I’m sorry, I don’t speak patois, try using English.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:

Team Leo wrote:Y dont u get ur forces from TWPAF to help then?

I’m sorry, I don’t speak patois, try using English.

I said "Why don't you get your forces from TWPAF to help then?"

Maineiacs wrote:

Outer Sparta wrote:Yeah looks like the liberation was passed on January 7, which according to the regional history, was when there was around 250 nations present. Before, the region only had like around 20 nations for years, a constant number. How's the defending efforts and the fight against the raiders so far when now you have over 400 nations in the region?

All I know is they haven't kicked out yet. No idea why.

Do you know how many defender groups are involved with the operation to kick out the raiders? Cause even if there are ample numbers, that might not be enough to dislodge the raiders.

Maineiacs wrote:I'm at a loss about what to do.

Vibe. Destruction is not possible due to Garchyland's immense influence. We will leave eventually.

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:Because defenders haven’t been able to raise the numbers necessary to retake the Delegacy. So you’re going to have to wait until either they can or the raiders leave of their own accord.

NB: We did have the numbers, but weird site lag prevented us from getting it. See here.