[PASSED] Liberate A Liberal Haven

[Apatosaurus]

I am in full support of this resolution and thank the community for proposing this with such haste.

Wow…. A puppet that hasn’t answered any issues and has a grand sum of eight whole forum posts (including this one) is all that is needed for native support huh?

Lol Wayne. They've answered 55 issues (more than you have) and been in WA since 2015 (which is as far back as the Texas records go)

[WayNeacTia]

Wow…. A puppet that hasn’t answered any issues and has a grand sum of eight whole forum posts (including this one) is all that is needed for native support huh?

I understand that you've dispensed delusions of Trovons, China, and whatever else being false flag ops by defenders. But suggesting that a delegate of five and a half years is a defender plant is breaking into a new level of alternate reality timelines.

I never stated they were a defender plant. They have had exactly the same level of activity in the region as Vandoosa has had over the last few years. So what makes their claim any more valid than Vandoosa’s claim?

[Morover]

I understand that you've dispensed delusions of Trovons, China, and whatever else being false flag ops by defenders. But suggesting that a delegate of five and a half years is a defender plant is breaking into a new level of alternate reality timelines.

I never stated they were a defender plant. They have had exactly the same level of activity in the region as Vandoosa has had over the last few years. So what makes their claim any more valid than Vandoosa’s claim?

Wayne, I am genuinely confused by this claim. I'm not involved in any way but like, how do you even come to this conclusion?

[Apatosaurus]

I understand that you've dispensed delusions of Trovons, China, and whatever else being false flag ops by defenders. But suggesting that a delegate of five and a half years is a defender plant is breaking into a new level of alternate reality timelines.

I never stated they were a defender plant. They have had exactly the same level of activity in the region as Vandoosa has had over the last few years. So what makes their claim any more valid than Vandoosa’s claim?

Maybe, just maybe, you are more of a native of a region, if you have been delegate of that region for a grand total of nearly twelve years, than an invader plant that even if they were a native, would have lost all native-hood by betraying the region to region crashers.

[WayNeacTia]

Wow…. A puppet that hasn’t answered any issues and has a grand sum of eight whole forum posts (including this one) is all that is needed for native support huh?

Lol Wayne. They've answered 55 issues (more than you have) and been in WA since 2015 (which is as far back as the Texas records go)

That doesn’t mean fuck all and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

[Emodea]

I am in full support of this resolution and thank the community for proposing this with such haste.

It appears that Koth is indeed right. The most important native has spoken.

We are now live.

[Wascoitan]

I never stated they were a defender plant. They have had exactly the same level of activity in the region as Vandoosa has had over the last few years. So what makes their claim any more valid than Vandoosa’s claim?

would have lost all native-hood by betraying the region to region crashers.

since when is that for you to decide exactly? were you made king apatosaurus arbiter of who is and isn't a native when I wasn't looking? why should a native lose their "nativehood" the second they do something you don't like?

[Frenchy II]

Lol Wayne. They've answered 55 issues (more than you have) and been in WA since 2015 (which is as far back as the Texas records go)

That doesn’t mean fuck all and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

Now tell me this. A Liberal Haven, a not so prominent target in the modern meta, generally forgotten among raiders, will be held by a SINGLE DEFENDER PLANT, in a time where the R/D meta has drastically changed. Please, remove your cranium from your rectal cavity and stop rattling off more conspiracy theories than Alex Jones.

[Refuge Isle]

Lol Wayne. They've answered 55 issues (more than you have) and been in WA since 2015 (which is as far back as the Texas records go)

That doesn’t mean fuck all and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

"Puppet" or not, they've had exec control of the region for five and a half years. Think it's reasonable to say they're a native at this point.

[Apatosaurus]

Lol Wayne. They've answered 55 issues (more than you have) and been in WA since 2015 (which is as far back as the Texas records go)

That doesn’t mean fuck all

Indeed, it doesn't mean fuck all. It means a lot.

and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

What would anyone have to gain from said infiltration of A Liberal Haven? If they were a raider plant, they wouldn't be actively supporting this liberation in the thread and probably even helping the raiders here.

[WayNeacTia]

That doesn’t mean fuck all and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

Now tell me this. A Liberal Haven, a not so prominent target in the modern meta, generally forgotten among raiders, will be held by a SINGLE DEFENDER PLANT, in a time where the R/D meta has drastically changed. Please, remove your cranium from your rectal cavity and stop rattling off more conspiracy theories than Alex Jones.

I have never once said Garchyland is a puppet of a defender. I simply asked why their claims on the region take precedence over Vandy's when they have had about the same level of activity in the region over the last few years. Perhaps you should learn to read what was actually typed instead of those hidden magical sentences you seem to like to hallucinate.

and if you would stop running your mouth for a few minutes you would know this. Lots of people keep their WA on a puppet.

What would anyone have to gain from said infiltration of A Liberal Haven? If they were a raider plant, they wouldn't be actively supporting this liberation in the thread and probably even helping the raiders here.

So first you flat out accuse me of being a DOS player, and now you are pushing the theory that I believe Garchyland is a raider plant? With the amount of straw you are going though, there will be plenty of cold horses tonight in their stalls.......

[Apatosaurus]

Now tell me this. A Liberal Haven, a not so prominent target in the modern meta, generally forgotten among raiders, will be held by a SINGLE DEFENDER PLANT, in a time where the R/D meta has drastically changed. Please, remove your cranium from your rectal cavity and stop rattling off more conspiracy theories than Alex Jones.

I have never once said Garchyland is a puppet of a defender. I simply asked why their claims on the region take precedence over Vandy's when they have had about the same level of activity in the region over the last few years. Perhaps you should learn to read what was actually typed instead of those hidden magical sentences you seem to like to hallucinate.

If "about the same level of activity" means a total of almost twelve years as Delegate compared to a sleepy sleeper sitting in a region and doing nothing, then yes, definitely equal levels of activity.

[Morover]

Now tell me this. A Liberal Haven, a not so prominent target in the modern meta, generally forgotten among raiders, will be held by a SINGLE DEFENDER PLANT, in a time where the R/D meta has drastically changed. Please, remove your cranium from your rectal cavity and stop rattling off more conspiracy theories than Alex Jones.

I have never once said Garchyland is a puppet of a defender. I simply asked why their claims on the region take precedence over Vandy's when they have had about the same level of activity in the region over the last few years. Perhaps you should learn to read what was actually typed instead of those hidden magical sentences you seem to like to hallucinate.

I am in full support of this resolution and thank the community for proposing this with such haste.

Wow…. A puppet that hasn’t answered any issues and has a grand sum of eight whole forum posts (including this one) is all that is needed for native support huh?

Maybe you didn’t specify a defender puppet, but anyone can read into subtext.

[WayNeacTia]

I have never once said Garchyland is a puppet of a defender. I simply asked why their claims on the region take precedence over Vandy's when they have had about the same level of activity in the region over the last few years. Perhaps you should learn to read what was actually typed instead of those hidden magical sentences you seem to like to hallucinate.

If "about the same level of activity" means a total of almost twelve years as Delegate compared to a sleepy sleeper sitting in a region and doing nothing, then yes, definitely equal levels of activity.

By all means my man, keep going. The stage is yours......

[Altmoras]

Not sure why anyone is bothering to respond to the mountain of bad faith being offered up by raider mouthpieces in this thread.

All anyone really needs to know is that.

• A Liberal Haven is under occupation by two invader regions that have destroyed many other regions in the past and who have already changed the regional password.
  
• The native delegate whose 5.5 year streak was interrupted by these invaders would like the region to be liberated.

I look forward to being part of the liberating forces once this resolution passes.

[Vando0sa]

As the former delegate, and one of only two nations I expect are not a sleeper (read: not native) based on their WA status, I'd like to hear what they have to say. Until then, the author and their defender supporters have no more of a leg to stand on than the man with intense munchies himself.

Already covered pretty quickly and simply on discord, the proposal is pending native consent as stated for the nth time at the top of the draft

I mean, by that definition of a native then literally nobody in ALH is a "native" cause based off the activity on the RMB at least (maybe there's some offsite stuff with more to it but I doubt it) absolutely nobody has been contributing to the future of this region and engaging. considering the last message made before the raid was 101 days ago and it was the delegate questioning the future of the region because of the lack of activity. then before that there were a few embassy posts then a puppet of courelli posting SLU's statement on ainlands founder coup (which happened over a year ago now). where exactly are these natives that are supposedly supposed to be contributing to the future of the region and engaging? though all this going into the specifics of this particular region is ultimately unnecessary when all I need to do is point out that this definition of native would exclude non-WA issue answerers (possibly WA ones as well depending on how narrow you make the definition of "contribute to the future of the region") to show how you might not want to try to run with this definition, unless you want to say that the majority of nations in all/most regions aren't actually natives of course

You're blurring intent with action (aka activity) here for a convenient spin into a rabbithole about activity levels. Lenly didn't say only contribution or lack thereof defines who has a say in a region, it's also about intent to do harm to said region. If there's any question about Vandoosa's intent with the sleeper nation in the region, then well lol: https://www.nationstates.net/page=rmb/postid=28901700

Aww.. why would you post that.. now everyone is gunna think I'm a raider..

[Apatosaurus]

If "about the same level of activity" means a total of almost twelve years as Delegate compared to a sleepy sleeper sitting in a region and doing nothing, then yes, definitely equal levels of activity.

:clap: By all means my man, keep going. The stage is yours......

Thank you for not addressing my point. :)

[WayNeacTia]

How exactly have they crashed the region? Spurring activity in a dead region is crashing it now? Who knew…..

Seizing the delegacy without native consent, banning long-time natives, defacing the WFE and flag with advertisements for your org, changing the password to something secret only the raiders know and closing all the embassies is spurring activity now? More like crashing a region for your own amusement. You also haven't considered that this "activity" will end as soon as raiders leave the region since they're all satisfied and feel good that they've destroyed the native community. And again, I'm surprised a former UDL member is supporting the region crashers here. I suppose people's alignments change when they're trying to evade bans.

Seeing as how you made this post, were called on it, then decided to pretend like it didn't happen and seeing as how I am sitting on the john with nothing better to do, lets get deep in the weeds shall we? You accuse me of being Chester? Chester, the die hard, moralist defender? The one exactly like you? The Chester that founded the North American Union, and had an embassy with A Liberal Haven? The Chester that was a member of Hell? The Chester that was hell bent on passing resolutions at all cost (once again, just like you). Now unlike you, I am not going to make a direct accusation here, but you sure seem to be the one making the biggest issue out of the region being raided here. I am sure you have heard of the ancient proverb about glass houses and stones? Perhaps you should take it to heart.....

[Apatosaurus]

Chester? Chester, the die hard, moralist defender? The one exactly like you?

Thanks for calling me a moralist :)

The Chester that founded the North American Union, and had an embassy with A Liberal Haven?

Which you were in?

but you sure seem to be the one making the biggest issue out of the region being raided here.

Yes, because there is a very strange possibility which is very difficult to understand, that community destruction is bad.

[Goobergunchia]

Cognizant of the region’s continuous struggle for survival since its founder, Polaris and Vega, ceased to exist in 2011, making it a prime target for various invader forces over the course of the last decade,

I'll be voting for this, but A Liberal Haven has been generally founderless for longer than 2011 -- the Founder coming back briefly in that year aside. This is a region I defended in my ADN days. See here.

[WayNeacTia]

The Chester that founded the North American Union, and had an embassy with A Liberal Haven?

Which you were in?

And? You know, Chet was also really good at building strawmen. (but you wouldn't know anything about that would you?)

Chester? Chester, the die hard, moralist defender? The one exactly like you?

Thanks for calling me a moralist

Guess who taught Chester to be a moralist. Unibot. I'll let that sink in, whilst you regroup.

[Garchyland]

Cognizant of the region’s continuous struggle for survival since its founder, Polaris and Vega, ceased to exist in 2011, making it a prime target for various invader forces over the course of the last decade,

I'll be voting for this, but A Liberal Haven has been generally founderless for longer than 2011 -- the Founder coming back briefly in that year aside. This is a region I defended in my ADN days. See here.

The founder came back for 30 days - it was an attempted revive, but the password is not recoverable. I have lived in ALH since its creation, under a few nations - my most recent (if 2007 is recent) is this one.

The truth is, we are not an active region. We do not try to relish in the glory of longevity, but most of my recent activity on this website has been limited. I am amazed to see what it has become in the almost 18 years I have been playing, when I created my first nation in a computer lab at my school. I have grown alongside this website, seeing the April Fools pranks introduced, the United Nations becoming the WA, and my 55 issues answered were the original handful of issues the website had :-) I would like to see activity brought back to ALH, but I have not had the time to do it on my own, and the native community is much like me - not very active, but very dedicated to supporting this website. Anyone who thinks that what is happening now is “spurring activity” should realize this is not what our region is about in any way. Perhaps we’ve been too welcoming in the past and ended up welcoming in our sleeper with open arms.

[Vando0sa]

I'll be voting for this, but A Liberal Haven has been generally founderless for longer than 2011 -- the Founder coming back briefly in that year aside. This is a region I defended in my ADN days. See here.

The founder came back for 30 days - it was an attempted revive, but the password is not recoverable. I have lived in ALH since its creation, under a few nations - my most recent (if 2007 is recent) is this one.

The truth is, we are not an active region. We do not try to relish in the glory of longevity, but most of my recent activity on this website has been limited. I am amazed to see what it has become in the almost 18 years I have been playing, when I created my first nation in a computer lab at my school. I have grown alongside this website, seeing the April Fools pranks introduced, the United Nations becoming the WA, and my 55 issues answered were the original handful of issues the website had :-) I would like to see activity brought back to ALH, but I have not had the time to do it on my own, and the native community is much like me - not very active, but very dedicated to supporting this website. Anyone who thinks that what is happening now is “spurring activity” should realize this is not what our region is about in any way. Perhaps we’ve been too welcoming in the past and ended up welcoming in our sleeper with open arms.

Hewwo! I'm the sleeper!

There is somewhere near 1500 issues now to play with plus a lot of easter egg issues too!

Also sowwy we raided your region.. raiders gotta raid stuff.. or else we'd not be called raiders..

[Maineiacs]

I'm very much in favor of kicking the invaders out. I'd really rather not have to deal with such nonsense.

[Tinhampton]

This proposal was co-authored by Andusre, since this doesn't appear to have been stated in the OP's version of the proposal text.

It attained the 56 approvals required for quorum in five hours, nine minutes and fifty-four seconds (submission at 03:55:11 GMT; Sedgistan approves at 09:05:05 GMT) and will almost certainly be voted on between the minor updates of today and Friday 7th January.

AS OF 0920 GMT ON MONDAY: Approvals: 57 out of 56 needed (Budgie Snugglers, Sylh Alanor, Thousand Branches, Andusre, Tinhampton, Morover, Creeperopolis, One Small Island, Ordivus, Willtechia, Thaelle, Aerlion, Paramountica, Peraro Krotoik, Albrook, Treadwellia, Wischland, The Salaxalans, Imperial Eagle, Seludong, Enlais, New Strixica, Wadelhelpia, Student Loan Debt, Calnodia, Otaku Stratus, The Independent States of Allied Forces, TESDAI, Auxorii, The Glorious Hypetrain, Aftenheim, NinjitsUtopia, Bearded Dragones, Arcesius, Candensia, Herby, Tomisburg, Penguin Dictators, Amerion, Primorye Oblast, USS Juneau, Brys questions, Lesser Velutaria, SherpDaWerp, The Free Northern Isles, 15th Scottish Highlanders Division, Free Woritanarbio Islands, Jean Rowe, Echoslavia, The Stalker, Noble Titans, Calamari Lands, The Unified Pumaxi, Trovons, New Themotica, Sedgistan, Kyuxcy)

Edit to add that TNP Delegate Madjack approved this at 0921 GMT...

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Two tag:delegates campaigns were sent for this proposal after its submission. Both are presented below for posterity.

Delegates of the World Assembly,

I write to you in urgency: A Liberal Haven has been infiltrated and seized by hostile raiding forces. As the infiltrator spearheading this takeover has lurked in the Haven for years, accumulating influence, raiders are in a prime position to commit permanent destructive damage to this region and its native inhabitants.

We have but one chance to end this raid, and the responsibility is on all of us to do it right. Time is short, and the raiding forces are only gaining strength.

I humbly ask for your aid in supporting this proposal, which is backed by the native delegate who was wrongfully unseated. Help us to drive out the raiders, and restore control of the region to its rightful owners by approving this liberation at the link below.

https://www.nationstates.net/page=UN_view_proposal/id=emodea_1641182111

page=UN_view_proposal/id=emodea_1641182111

Instead of approving that.. Don't! There is nothing to worry about. Everything is fine, this is fine. Region is perfectly safe from sneaky nations.

We don't need the Security Council to infringe on our right to regional sovereignty!

Guns, Freedom, Liberty, Mountain Dew and Taco Bell forever! Yea! Freedom!