[DEFEATED] Declaration on China

[Zarulia]

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[WayNeacTia]

What a waste of three days. It’s not like Tin was told this was going to happen……

[Nepleslia]

What a waste of three days. It’s not like Tin was told this was going to happen……

Like that’s ever stopped her before…

[Outer Sparta]

What a waste of three days. It’s not like Tin was told this was going to happen……

Yeah, not particularly necessary and also opportunist to cash-in on the whole situation in that region.

[Rust]

Y'know, I see a whole lotta chatter (read: whinging) from what I can only assume are raiders and states with an axe to grind against Tinhampton for reasons I'll never be able to fathom, but nobody besides Tin herself seems to want to acknowledge the sheer magnitude of the O/L. Like she said, it's the biggest of its kind we've ever seen--the Security Council not making a declaration about it specifically, regardless of any preceding mention of it in other declarations, would be tantamount to the powers that be in the Area Beyond the Fourth Wall not recognizing the size and scope of a world war.

That aside, don't go acting like these declarations aren't already a joke on principle--the fact that the Security Council saw fit to make a declaration on the previous year like some kind of Year In Review blog post should be proof positive. These declarations ultimately represent no actual legislative action on the part of the Council, a body whose entire existence is predicated on ensuring the safety and sovereignty of the regions of member states. They're pointless, but we've already set a precedent with the decision to declare brains tasty, nuclear holocaust fun and engaging, and 2021 "a net positive, considering." If we're going to perpetuate the farce, let's at least do it in a way that aligns with the Council's raison d'etre.

The Rogue Nation of Rust, on behalf of and in service of its position as Minister of Public Relations for the region of Pawnsilvania, hereby endorses this declaration. We only hope this message doesn't come too late to be of help.

[Team Leo]

What a waste of three days. It’s not like Tin was told this was going to happen……

At least she can write proposals Wayne.

[Pathoal]

That aside, don't go acting like these declarations aren't already a joke on principle--the fact that the Security Council saw fit to make a declaration on the previous year like some kind of Year In Review blog post should be proof positive.

For the record, I voted against that

But really, even if the China liberation was significant after A Liberal Haven, this is a nothing declaration that expresses no meaningful opinion on its topic.

[United Region Alliance]

The URA has recommended A vote against this proposal.

[Amerion]

The South Pacific's World Assembly Delegation has cast the Coalition's vote AGAINST this proposed resolution, Declaration on China, and warmly encourages fellow member regions to vote AGAINST.

'No Rec' or No Recommendation indicates a vote where, in the absence of a recommendation from the Office of WA Legislation, the Admiral Delegate General voted according to the majority stance of World Assembly members in the South Pacific.

[Refuge Isle]

Previously, people would read feedback in drafting threads to get an idea of how a proposal would be received at vote.

That feedback is still issued, but there's been a trend of late to turn it in anyway and witness the defeat, first-hand. Strange times.

[Tinhampton]

Previously, people would read feedback in drafting threads to get an idea of how a proposal would be received at vote.

Feedback on this proposal was astonishingly constructive - and generally supportive - until January 9th, when you decided to proclaim that my draft

has moved beyond relevance already. It is attempting to document something that, while record-breaking at the time, has already been dwarfed in scale. It expresses no relevant position on international affairs. The purpose or utility of this declaration at all is questionable at best.

Never mind that the liberation of A Liberal Haven failed (and that there exists an SC Liberation on that region) or that this Declaration would declare "the recent invasion and liberation of China [...] deserving of study by raiders, defenders and natives alike."

[Refuge Isle]

Previously, people would read feedback in drafting threads to get an idea of how a proposal would be received at vote.

Feedback on this proposal was astonishingly constructive - and generally supportive - until January 9th, when you decided to proclaim that my draft

The implication of that statement being that I am profoundly influential.

Thank you.

[Rust]

But really, even if the China liberation was significant after A Liberal Haven, this is a nothing declaration that expresses no meaningful opinion on its topic.

And that doesn't apply to every other declaration this body has passed...how, exactly?

[Rust]

The implication of that statement being that I am profoundly influential.

Being "influential" in the realm of reactionary troglodytes isn't exactly high praise.

[Outer Sparta]

But really, even if the China liberation was significant after A Liberal Haven, this is a nothing declaration that expresses no meaningful opinion on its topic.

And that doesn't apply to every other declaration this body has passed...how, exactly?

Only this one is more opportunistic in using the situation to pass some meaningless declaration.

[Pathoal]

But really, even if the China liberation was significant after A Liberal Haven, this is a nothing declaration that expresses no meaningful opinion on its topic.

And that doesn't apply to every other declaration this body has passed...how, exactly?

Many other declarations express an actual opinion. Advancement Of Anti-Fascist Action expresses an anti-fascist opinion and includes many calls to action. This does not.

[Tinhampton]

"Declaration on China" was defeated 12,868 votes to 2,733. (17.52% support)

For: 2,733: Wischland (459), Got the munchies real bad man (205), Biggonian Megaist Empire (120), Penguin Dictators (71), Tinhampton (48), Josephtan (42), Particle (38), Yodle (35), Sanctaria (31), One Small Island (27), Sailiopia (19), Glorious Wakanda (17), Fluvannia (17), Morover (16), Santa Thereza (10), The Heavenly Cross Federation (9), TheRuhr (9), The Candy Of Bottles (8), The Voltarum (8), Orennica (8), Aftenheim (8), Zhong-guo (7), 15th Scottish Highlanders Division (7), The Soviet state of Svalbard (6), Libertarian Communist Planets (6), Lost Village Mayohiga (5), Government Problems (5), Oxfordheim (5), Zeiling (5), Marinonia (5), Republic Of Ludwigsburg (4), Beazlend (4), The Communists of the Multiversal Empire (4), Auxorii (4), The Age of Utopia (4), ARSTOTZRA (4), Republic of Dixie (4), Willtechia (4), Chap Ven (4), Klean Kanteen (4), Wurplestan (4), MorriganLand (4), Catorians (4), Bendoggia (3), Yenikader (3), Yesmanland (3), Xagea (3), Nickystein (3), Atlantica-Omega (3), Antamaran (3), Rhondels (3), Frontier Isles (3), Goatia (3), His Excellency (3), Quebec and Labrador (3), Amenistani Empire (3), Tomisburg (3), Agife (3), Deezer (3), Scenixia (3), Kigasan (3), Vipathe (3), Desertiania (2), Ghyrakiaz (2), CVT Greater Peru (2), The Grand Republic of New Prussia (2), Colfes (2), Islands Of Ventro (2), China SCR (2), Ostatlantik (2), The United Hyvanian States (2), Finema (2), Prodstrazka (2), The Andoran Empire ELARIA (2), Consigahria (2), Holy Hawaiian Empire (2), Pheonixknight (2), Lower Slobbovia (2), Mackiland (2), Wisea (2), Banaria (2), Vetoland (2), Copmanpeople (2), Prussia-Saxon (2), Jusamaica (2), Foreignaid (2), Free Cities Of Onebolonia (2), Thottie (2), CalradiaHQ (2), Sedgistan (2), The New North American Union (2), Arkkine (2), Lyanta (2), Copper-9 (2), and (1,304) individual member nations.

Against: 12,868: Madjack (1,008), Amerion (807), Albrook (773), Giovanniland (557), East Durthang (483), Duby (271), North East Somerset (264), Treadwellia (263), Primorye Oblast (257), Budgie Snugglers (228), Luna State (203), Super Awesome Fun Times (179), Andusre (144), Thaelle (130), Ruinenlust (126), Bearded Dragones (120), Lesser Velutaria (110), Tevaris (108), ShrewLlamaLand (107), Sylh Alanor (89), The Glorious Hypetrain (87), South Boston Irishmen (76), Thousand Branches (75), Enlais (62), Student Loan Debt (57), The Salaxalans (57), Mikeswill (57), Brys questions (55), Candensia (47), Technocratic Terra (44), Octal (43), Arcesius (43), Baaas (41), Noble Titans (35), New Asden (34), Battadia (32), Dabberwocky (32), The Free Northern Isles (31), Fachumonn (26), Herya (25), NewTexas (25), Kingdom of Englands (23), Cruciland (23), Potenzia (23), Suter (22), Orioni 2 (22), Owswaldia (22), Aynia Moreaux (22), Zuzek (21), Tostandia (21), The Scottish Republic (19), Orca and Narwhal (17), Americatain (17), Besancia (16), Baloo Kingdom (15), Ioavollr (15), Greater Cuba (14), Candanadium (13), Lawid (13), Niveusium (12), Ordivus (12), Oi Barbaroi (12), Vegaga (11), The Unified Pumaxi (11), Zamastan (11), The Bolivian Socialist Falange (11), Draganisia (10), Seludong (10), Loush Land (10), Russiania (10), Satn (10), Albarusija (10), Mardata (9), Vesperias (9), Hajirah (9), Maplestan (9), The Hard Part (8), Trovons (8), Jolx (8), Brocklandia (8), The Greastest Nation (8), Chodean Kal (8), German Federal Reich (7), Anglerland (7), The Palentine (7), Golanchia (7), Penetration Nation (7), Lamoni (7), Uponda (7), South Sulphur (7), Kalanaria (7), All Glory to God (6), Wadelhelpia (6), Hetic South (6), Floovonia (6), Valator (6), Otaku Stratus (6), Gatchina (6), Dellettia (6), Echoslavia (5), The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia (5), Sacky All (5), Reultan (5), Omniabstracta (5), Eastern Kodiak (5), The Finntopian Empire (5), Dorianopolis (5), Cappedore (5), Rakscovia (5), Lead Keion (5), Lushie (5), Yorkshire and its colonies (5), Gladys and the drowning fish (5), San Lumen (5), Wobbegong (5), Greater Bahland (4), Onocarcass (4), Voxija (4), The Goh Dynasty (4), Baccalieu (4), The Ruby Ranch Republic (4), Puppiverse (4), Polarea (4), Ze Faderland (4), Quentania (4), Wabacha (4), Eggtowne (4), Denathor (4), Nordenbruck Directory (4), Communo-Slavocia (4), New Aryako Eurbadilweld (4), Kyuxcy (4), East Thule (3), Spokesland (3), The Germanic States of Europe (3), Ravko (3), BrainBot (3), Vengeant Aggression (3), Trioskia (3), New Megaton (3), Transylvania Company (3), Herby (3), Xaviet empire (3), Fickonong (3), United Corporate States (3), Reino Fiore Belli (3), Harmony Cafe (3), The Soviet Russian Nation (3), Fouroon Deapergothe (3), Chuliu Emperor (3), Brygenwerth (3), Vaarland (3), Kleinekatzen (3), Jawsrael (3), Demoitia (3), Jeradise (3), Barak Khalad (3), Two Owls of Duolingo (3), Skonlanda (3), Madrocea (3), Republic of Washinton (3), The Elite Imperial Forces (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), Gran-Cesar (3), Democratic anti veganist state (2), Avalon Nova (2), Republic of Stratis (2), Gabeonovia (2), Funktropolis (2), Tsaivao (2), Koslovenia (2), Chiakki (2), Yobosinssddfds (2), Romulus III (2), Wallstone (2), New Michael Federation Republic (2), Seffa (2), Laketovia (2), Davelands (2), KurentSlavija (2), Always Winners (2), Kingdom of Derita (2), Zombiedolphins (2), Kadth (2), Jacobopolus (2), Dexian (2), Taki Calxur (2), Rolenmar (2), Free Woritanarbio Islands (2), The papal county of Derbyshire (2), Shnrubton (2), Mushmellow (2), Waskonte (2), The United Remnants of America (2), Vaako (2), The Hanzanburg Union (2), Tiwari (2), Himura Yakumo (2), Lehqhbraot (2), Rahulistan (2), South Douthres Avinietaus (2), Siochania (2), Fromis (2), NinjitsUtopia (2), Phoors (2), Fsdh E (2), Czechostan (2), Supreme Argentum (2), Melonsistan (2), The Rising Aura (2), Tzarkonian (2), Caylood Hype (2), Slobodovia (2), The Ancient World (2), FORKTASTICSTAN (2), Republic of Pinarus (2), Maplevill (2), The Hazar Amisnery (2), Federated Commonwealth of Selstville (2), Darambo (2), New Themotica (2), CRGC (2), The Free Bobilandia (2), Xanarchea (2), Imperial Felchah (2), Dow Salold Islands (2), Calcaterra (2), Atreidean Arrakis (2), Meercovo (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Estados Gerais (2), Galaxiak (2), Spaviland (2), Adeiatic (2), The Akasha Colony (2), and (4,598) individual member nations.

[WayNeacTia]

Wow! Colour me shocked that this failed for some bizarre reason……

[Queen Yuno]

This would have passed if submitted early. But she gave too many chances for people to oppose it by stalling the submission for too long. She submitted it after the "hype on China has died"; in the future, do not be considerate and "wait" for the WA relics; or at the least, don't wait weeks or spend weeks revising based on slow feedback from the WA "regulars." While they advocate that, they're going to turn their tune around at the end and say that the hype has died. So, always submit it almost instantly.

(Disclaimer: not talking about people who voiced opposition at the beginning. I'm talking about the GCR roleplay WA officials who say nothing then at the very end, vote against because it's no longer relevant. Don't EVER wait for these guys' feedback, submit early.)

[Queen Yuno]

Doing all those "last calls" alerts is actually not a smart tactic to getting your proposal passed.

While you believe you're being considerate-- the only consideration you're giving is alerting your opposition by giving them weeks to prepare and gather support. The people who would've voted for this would've voted yes at the beginning.

This advice goes for everyone trying to get their GA and WA proposals passed.

(This advice does not apply for Commends or Condemns though. Those do warrant time.)

[WayNeacTia]

This would have passed if submitted early.

I somehow think not. This was typical Tinhampton opportunism and nothing more.

[Penguin Dictators]

This would have passed if submitted early.

Ehhhh, no.

As someone who actually voted FOR that resolution, even I saw that it was going to be dead in the water, despite in my opinion of it being a perfectly fine resolution.

Even if Tin had submitted it more "timely" rather than letting it drag out, she would have been accused of submitting the proposal prematurely. Likewise, the people who just didn't see the resolution as worth it wouldn't have had their minds changed just because it was brought in a little earlier. You still would have had the folks against it coming in and saying their two cents saying why there was no point to the resolution, why it wasn't deserving, why it was a waste of time, and all that jazz. You still would have had the younger new WA voters voting against it because they didn't bother to read it, saw "China" in the name, thought it was about the real life place, and voted against purely on that or because it just reminded them of it (and yes, that's a thing). Overall, those arguments against it wouldn't have just gone away because it was submitted earlier, they would have just either changed course or stayed in a similar direction that they were with this specific instance.

[Debussy]

This would have passed if submitted early.

I somehow think not. This was typical Tinhampton opportunism and nothing more.

This point of view on authors and proposals is sad.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

I somehow think not. This was typical Tinhampton opportunism and nothing more.

This point of view on authors and proposals is sad.

Incorrect, it’s a point of view on one particular author and their behaviour, not all authors and proposals as you are trying to make out.

For what it’s worth Wayne is correct.

[Debussy]

This point of view on authors and proposals is sad.

Incorrect, it’s a point of view on one particular author and their behaviour, not all authors and proposals as you are trying to make out.

For what it’s worth Wayne is correct.

Tin is a great writer. If it isn't the writing, then yes, it reflects on all proposals and authors.