[PASSED] Commend Tim-Opolis

[The Orwell Society]

I agree with Quebec here. A few misdemeanors and a bad temper aren't reason enough to ignore Tim's contributions to the game.

[The North Polish Union]

I'm very excited to commend a player whose reaction to losing on the battlefield is to accuse the other side of cheating/cyberattacking the site, in spite of the fact that its his own faction's poorly-made tools causing the problem.

I don't think one inadvisable post is worth not recognizing a player with over a decade of contribution, and I think everyone reading this knows you're engaging in poor faith here and the SC at large lately (see also: the fit you've been throwing in the Euro replacement thread), so I won't entertain you anymore after this.

PS: In the interests of accuracy, Storm was a script made by KN/Codpiece, not the broader "faction", but yes it was a bugged out defender-used script.

The (very obvious) sarcasm of my last post aside, I'm not certain how objecting to being accused of cheating could ever be "engaging in poor faith". I would suggest that such accusations on your part are an attempt to avoid the uncomfortable realities of Tim's behavior. The incident I mention was chosen because it is conveniently and conspiciously onsite, and so we can discuss it openly and without the bullshit hinting at contents of non-public Discord logs and running the risk of getting mod-smacked for defamation.

I have little expectation that you will take any of these facts into account, given the contents of the post I'm quoting, but for the potentially uninformed reader who may see this thread I think it is important to make them known nonetheless.

EDIT (because of your edit):

EDIT: Also, nowhere in that post or anywhere else did Tim every try to suggest that raider leaders or the "other side" organized it or supported anything like that if it was the case, so don't suggest such things when it comes to matters like that.

I don't suggest these things, Sedge does, although the thrust of Tim's post was clear in any case.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

Still reads pretty well to me. The only quibble would be the, to me, excessive detail in the operations clause - is giving the individual numbers of defences etc. necessary?

Hmm. I don't think it's a problem per se, but here's a sample rewrite, what do you think of this as opposed to the current clause? Could still be tweaked, but it's something to work with:

Impressed by Tim’s fervent dedication to defending through TGW, where from its induction to TGW through the end of its tenure as First Warden, it attended an incredible 510 deployments and 6191 total operations, taking an active role in leadership and participation that has continued since the conclusion of their time leading the Order,

I'm also not addicted to using "Impressed" here, so I'm trying to think of something that better characterizes Tim's hype/passion for defending.

Rewrite is better in my opinion.

“Overwhelmed”, “astonished”, “galvanised” (no, not dipped in zinc, metallurgist’s joke) are just a few alternatives I thought of.

[Sedgistan]

EDIT: Also, nowhere in that post or anywhere else did Tim every try to suggest that raider leaders or the "other side" organized it or supported anything like that if it was the case, so don't suggest such things when it comes to matters like that.

I don't suggest these things, Sedge does, although the thrust of Tim's post was clear in any case.

Eh, my post didn't properly acknowledge the "the conclusion between myself and a few leaders across both sides of the faction" part of Tim's post. It was still a poor take and poor tone for a Technical post, but perhaps not to the same extent as my post there says.

[Quebecshire]

Hmm. I don't think it's a problem per se, but here's a sample rewrite, what do you think of this as opposed to the current clause? Could still be tweaked, but it's something to work with:



I'm also not addicted to using "Impressed" here, so I'm trying to think of something that better characterizes Tim's hype/passion for defending.

Rewrite is better in my opinion.

“Overwhelmed”, “astonished”, “galvanised” (no, not dipped in zinc, metallurgist’s joke) are just a few alternatives I thought of.

Thank you - I've implemented the rewrite with the use of "Astonished" (Overwhelmed and Galvanized felt out of place to me). Hopefully that works a bit better now, it definitely reads as more tidy than like a list of numbers.

[Ambrella]

Despite some past differences with Tim, his contributions are many, and he deserves this commendation. I like this draft so far.

[Quebecshire]

Since Commend Luca is passing heftily, this is now my more immediate SC priority. As such, bumping for feedback.

[RiderSyl]

I don't think I'll be letting this one go quietly.

I recall that Cormac did not deserve a badge despite his accomplishments because of his behavior.
Tim being Commended will prove that it is not about how ugly you act, it is about who you are ugly towards.

Cormac behaved like he did towards individuals in power, without regard for how it could come back to hurt him. Tim smartly behaves like he does to those that are not in a position to punish him in any tangible way.

Comparing Tim to Cormac isn't right, though.

He is cut more from the cloth of such infamous persons such as Lord Ravenclaw and 94 Block - players that excelled at keeping up a certain level of reputation where they needed to, while taking out their nastiness on the relative nobodies.

Thankfully, it was eventually exposed to all how bad those two players were. Ravenclaw eventually picked on the wrong person. 94 Block eventualy dropped the mask.
Tim could legitimately keep doing this for a decade if he wanted. He's made of Teflon.

I know for a fact that the author of this particular Commend is, in part, a victim of Tim's manipulations. I hope one day he realizes that he's just another Escade to Tim.

To prospective voters - If you want to Commend a player like Tim, and send the message that such ugly behavior is okay as long as you're well-accomplished and only pick on the politically powerless, then go on ahead. If you'd rather not, then I ask that you don't.

To the usual suspects - Discredit what I've said all you want. It won't matter in the end. The truth doesn't have an expiration date.

[Quebecshire]

I don't want to engage with this but there's a part of it I'm not going to led stand unaddressed.

I know for a fact that the author of this particular Commend is, in part, a victim of Tim's manipulations. I hope one day he realizes that he's just another Escade to Tim.

My region and I were damn near blacklisted because of my region's old problems, and Tim had every reason to hate me and us indefinitely for it. When we fixed our shit up a number of months later and expressed interest in defending, instead of telling us to pound sand like he easily and justifiably could have, he took a chance on my region and I, argued for us, and it is because of that and the hard work that my regionmates and I have put in that one of the largest defender militaries in the game exists right now.

In the time since he, and others either on their own or as a result of his advocacy for us, have put immense faith and trust in my region and me specifically. I've seen him do this with others too, if he believes in your potential he'll go to bat for you and die on your hill. I've met very few people who are better hype-men, and he is within a small group of gameplayers I would say I consider friends and mentors.

I've been on this site since 2016 through a lot of shit times and a lot of good times. I will not be told that I am a manipulated pawn by someone who is being bitter and can't let things go.

I will continue drafting my proposal with intent to pass it, of my own volition, because I want to and because I asked Tim if I could write this. End of discussion.

[Sylh Alanor]

Happy to support this.

[Free Algerstonia]

Happier than Sylh Alanor to support this.

[Saul Gone]

Less happy than Sylh Alanor and Alger to support this

[Tinhampton]

Not happy and not supporting this

[Minskiev]

On par with Tim's little brother/pawn/minion/sockpuppet/bootlicker/doormat/lackey/brown-noser/yes-man's level of supporting this

[WayNeacTia]

Thankfully, it was eventually exposed to all how bad those two players were. Ravenclaw eventually picked on the wrong person. 94 Block eventualy dropped the mask.
Tim could legitimately keep doing this for a decade if he wanted. He's made of Teflon.

He's the "Teflon Tim".....

[United Calanworie]

The temperature is running a little hot in this thread. Perhaps we can tone it down a bit and avoid comparing players to DOS individuals.

[WayNeacTia]

I find it amusing that Tim's colonization efforts, using the League as a proxy aren't mentioned. A true Francoist Tim is....

[Andusre]

On a scale of Tinhampton to Sylh Alanor, I'd say I'm sitting at a solid Luca level of support.

[RiderSyl]

I don't want to engage with this but there's a part of it I'm not going to led stand unaddressed.

I know for a fact that the author of this particular Commend is, in part, a victim of Tim's manipulations. I hope one day he realizes that he's just another Escade to Tim.

My region and I were damn near blacklisted because of my region's old problems, and Tim had every reason to hate me and us indefinitely for it. When we fixed our shit up a number of months later and expressed interest in defending, instead of telling us to pound sand like he easily and justifiably could have, he took a chance on my region and I, argued for us, and it is because of that and the hard work that my regionmates and I have put in that one of the largest defender militaries in the game exists right now.

In the time since he, and others either on their own or as a result of his advocacy for us, have put immense faith and trust in my region and me specifically. I've seen him do this with others too, if he believes in your potential he'll go to bat for you and die on your hill. I've met very few people who are better hype-men, and he is within a small group of gameplayers I would say I consider friends and mentors.

I've been on this site since 2016 through a lot of shit times and a lot of good times. I will not be told that I am a manipulated pawn by someone who is being bitter and can't let things go.

I will continue drafting my proposal with intent to pass it, of my own volition, because I want to and because I asked Tim if I could write this. End of discussion.

By going over your history with Tim, you've done an excellent job of laying out exactly what makes you so easily manipulated by him, in actuality. Talking about this, I speak not only from personal experience, but from my experience knowing others in NS that fell prey to the way Tim plays this damned political sim. You're still useful, Q, and that's the difference.

As for me being "bitter" and being unable to "let things go"... You're close on that one. I'm justifiably bitter, and I chose not to let this one go. Someone needed to post what I posted about Tim, so even if it's not widely believed, it's at least out there and known how unworthy of a Commend he actually is. Better that than the narrative that was being built in this thread of him just being a bit of a jerk sometimes.

FYI, I've no future in this part of the game anymore. I decided months ago that I'm going just to answer issues, make cute nations, and run an auto-login script. So I don't care how NSGP remembers me. I don't care that I'm hurting my reputation by calling Tim out like this. I'm fine calling a spade a spade.

[WayNeacTia]

So I don't care how NSGP remembers me. I don't care that I'm hurting my reputation by calling Tim out like this. I'm fine calling a spade a spade.

Welcome to the dark side my Son. It is quite liberating to not give a fuck what anybody else thinks of you, isn't it?

[Honeydewistania]

As a puppet of Tim I suppor

[Roylaii]

The draft reads well and presents what appears to be a particularly commendable nominee, but I’m seeing a lot of talk about the nominee’s character that has left me unsettled. If this were to come to vote, for once I’m not sure how I would vote.

[Xoriet]

I'm not getting involved in this mess other than to say that everyone in here and everyone who has said it outside of this thread is better than comparing someone who was victimized OOC by an individual - repeatedly, onsite and offsite - to that same individual in an attempt to reach the community by invoking their name. Charged emotions aren't an excuse to make that sort of comparison. There are better ways to make your point and no shortage of options if you feel that you need to make a certain point.

[WayNeacTia]

I'm not getting involved in this mess other than to say that everyone in here and everyone who has said it outside of this thread is better than comparing someone who was victimized OOC by an individual - repeatedly, onsite and offsite - to that same individual in an attempt to reach the community by invoking their name. Charged emotions aren't an excuse to make that sort of comparison. There are better ways to make your point and no shortage of options if you feel that you need to make a certain point.

Pour quoi?

[Varax Zwei]

As a puppet of Tim I suppor

As someone who has been inflicted with Tim's mind controlling nanites, I too support this.