[PASSED] Commend Tim-Opolis

[Apatosaurus]

opposed on principle and will be pushing for such a vote in TCB, tim has by far been the most unrepentantly toxic and shitty people I have interacted with in NSGP. no matter how much he might have done to deserve a badge I will always be opposed to this because of his behavior alone

I second this. Far too much toxicity and salt.

Pot meet kettle? :P

[Alfonzo]

you are literally wayneactia

My windows are already smashed, so I have nothing to lose by hucking stones.

cool.

Anyways support.

[Great Algerstonia]

On second thought I think I'm going to have to oppose this due to his actions in TEP.

[Wascoitan]

opposed on principle and will be pushing for such a vote in TCB, tim has by far been the most unrepentantly toxic and shitty people I have interacted with in NSGP. no matter how much he might have done to deserve a badge I will always be opposed to this because of his behavior alone

I would be surprised if any NSLeft region voted for a commendation in any circumstance.

it's not impossible, most recent example I can think of is when we supported commend halo a couple of months ago, but you are correct that we don't typically vote for commendations unless we see a reason to do so.

[Quebecshire]

Some new changes: After consulting with The Salaxalans, I have decided to remove some of the Spiritus government (not founder) stuff in favor of including the Potato Alliance and Tim's role in it. That also brings us closer to the character limit, now only having 5164 total characters (meaning we only need to slim down 164).

[WayNeacTia]

Clarity: I did not consult Unibot for these things. I was able to find sufficient UDL information from others and it has been incorporated based on that. Unibot has provided no assistance, research or otherwise, to this document, and will not.

Valuing that as Pharaoh of Osiris under the alias Tim Stark, it saved the region from certain disarray and instability alongside Saq and Cormactopia Prime by ousting a would be couper from the region. This action of bold leadership led to the creation of a new Osiris Fraternal Order which exists to this day,

Interesting that you have to go out of your way to make this here disclaimer, yet decide to include a DOS player in a commendation? There was zero chance I was going to vote for this in the first place, but thank you very much for at least providing me valid justification for that decision.

[Quebecshire]

Clarity: I did not consult Unibot for these things. I was able to find sufficient UDL information from others and it has been incorporated based on that. Unibot has provided no assistance, research or otherwise, to this document, and will not.

Valuing that as Pharaoh of Osiris under the alias Tim Stark, it saved the region from certain disarray and instability alongside Saq and Cormactopia Prime by ousting a would be couper from the region. This action of bold leadership led to the creation of a new Osiris Fraternal Order which exists to this day,

Interesting that you have to go out of your way to make this here disclaimer, yet decide to include a DOS player in a commendation? There was zero chance I was going to vote for this in the first place, but thank you very much for at least providing me valid justification for that decision.

Mentioning Cormac is something Minskiev and I have chatted about. As it stands, our position is that it will be removed if there is a strong call to do so. Similar to an argument I saw about mentioning DEN in Elegarth's commend, I am personally inclined to keep it on the basis that Cormac was an incredibly important favor of NS history, specifically in this incident, even though he is now banned. So yeah, I'll remove it if feedback indicates that is wise.

Also, Cormac and Unibot are very much not the same in why they are not involved in the NS mainstream anymore. That's a pretty icky comparison to make, Wayne.

[WayNeacTia]

Valuing that as Pharaoh of Osiris under the alias Tim Stark, it saved the region from certain disarray and instability alongside Saq and Cormactopia Prime by ousting a would be couper from the region. This action of bold leadership led to the creation of a new Osiris Fraternal Order which exists to this day,

Interesting that you have to go out of your way to make this here disclaimer, yet decide to include a DOS player in a commendation? There was zero chance I was going to vote for this in the first place, but thank you very much for at least providing me valid justification for that decision.

Mentioning Cormac is something Minskiev and I have chatted about. As it stands, our position is that it will be removed if there is a strong call to do so. Similar to an argument I saw about mentioning DEN in Elegarth's commend, I am personally inclined to keep it on the basis that Cormac was an incredibly important favor of NS history, specifically in this incident, even though he is now banned. So yeah, I'll remove it if feedback indicates that is wise.

Also, Cormac and Unibot are very much not the same in why they are not involved in the NS mainstream anymore. That's a pretty icky comparison to make, Wayne.

I didn't compare them. I said I found it amusing that you had to go out of your way to make your disclaimer, all the while glorifying a DOS player in a commendation. I really don't care if you want to continue on your cancel crusade against Unibot. Cormac was just as bad for it. Guess what? No one really cares. Since Cormac is gone, you are the only one that makes a huge issue out of it. Has it stopped Unibot? Well the proof is in the pudding, that you had to make your disclaimer. As for mentioning Cormac? He WAS a very influential player in gameplay, there is no doubt about that. If you think you can manage to convince the uber moralists that mentioning a DOS player in a commendation is a good idea, then go for it. I am not going to vote for it if it is there or not, as I will firmly stand by my opinion Tim's OOC character does not deserve recognition.

[Refuge Isle]

I am not going to vote for it if it is there or not, as I will firmly stand by my opinion Tim's OOC character does not deserve recognition.

What

[WayNeacTia]

I am not going to vote for it if it is there or not, as I will firmly stand by my opinion Tim's OOC character does not deserve recognition.

What

Prove my point further? Tim is being "commended" for his OOC achievements, not the merits of his nation. I let you have another crack on the house.

[A Bloodred Moon]

From a quick read, in your “recognizing” clause, liberations should probably be plural as you mention two separate liberations. Your “honoring” clause includes “Wardens from all eras”, which reads a little odd to me. I’m guessing it is meant to reference Tim mobilising both older TGW members and new recruits, but if you wish to cut down on some characters anyway I wouldn’t bother with that part.

While I am not exactly a fan of Tim’s style or the way he engages in arguements, I don’t think it so bad as to negate his numerous achievements. While Out-Of-Character behaviour certainly should be taken into consideration for In-Character resolutions (and this is an IC commendation), I can’t say that Tim is OOC problematic, certainly not to the extent it would disqualify him from commendability in my personal view. As such, I support this.

If I find more time I will see if I can provide some more detailed feedback. It looks well-written, however. Good luck.

[Flanderlion]

For despite the author.

Tim has made enough contributions to various regions and defending to outweigh his various coups, coup attempts, raids, drama and interpersonal conflicts.

[RiderSyl]

We're still in the draft stage and I've already resigned myself to the fact this will pass.

Tim accomplished great things, so his attitude doesn't matter. That's just how it goes in Gameplay.

[Quebecshire]

From a quick read, in your “recognizing” clause, liberations should probably be plural as you mention two separate liberations. Your “honoring” clause includes “Wardens from all eras”, which reads a little odd to me. I’m guessing it is meant to reference Tim mobilising both older TGW members and new recruits, but if you wish to cut down on some characters anyway I wouldn’t bother with that part.

While I am not exactly a fan of Tim’s style or the way he engages in arguements, I don’t think it so bad as to negate his numerous achievements. While Out-Of-Character behaviour certainly should be taken into consideration for In-Character resolutions (and this is an IC commendation), I can’t say that Tim is OOC problematic, certainly not to the extent it would disqualify him from commendability in my personal view. As such, I support this.

If I find more time I will see if I can provide some more detailed feedback. It looks well-written, however. Good luck.

Thank you for your feedback Jo, I will incorporate that shortly alongside a small tweak I need to make to the Potato clause.

[Quebecshire]

From a quick read, in your “recognizing” clause, liberations should probably be plural as you mention two separate liberations. Your “honoring” clause includes “Wardens from all eras”, which reads a little odd to me. I’m guessing it is meant to reference Tim mobilising both older TGW members and new recruits, but if you wish to cut down on some characters anyway I wouldn’t bother with that part.

While I am not exactly a fan of Tim’s style or the way he engages in arguements, I don’t think it so bad as to negate his numerous achievements. While Out-Of-Character behaviour certainly should be taken into consideration for In-Character resolutions (and this is an IC commendation), I can’t say that Tim is OOC problematic, certainly not to the extent it would disqualify him from commendability in my personal view. As such, I support this.

If I find more time I will see if I can provide some more detailed feedback. It looks well-written, however. Good luck.

1. Addressed the liberation plurality.

2. I'm iffy on the honoring clause edits. I think Tim's drive in recruitment for liberations is something that deserves mention here, as it's a large part of his brand and leadership within the Order. Though I am more than willing to reword it in a way that can make or more clear or cut it down a little bit.

[Queen Yuno]

I get so pissed off when I see this thread. Because I remember what Tim did to MY thread.

I would be really disappointed if Tim actually gets commended in the WA. He absolutely does NOT deserve it. "Doing a lot in NationStates" does not warrant a commendation if you've done 30% good and 70% of it was acting like a manic and bullying players or rivals or anyone who's not on your side until they quit, until ONLY your supporters are left still playing this game. You've got a long ass history in this game.


This reminds me of back when someone wrote a Commendation for ME.

I've "done a lot" too and did I get commended? No. Tim basically jumped onto my own Commendation thread and flamed the shit out of me for "OOC reasons" and basically wrecked the thread and the entire thing. Now he wants one, and expects me to sit by and not say anything?

Now it's fair game for me to call him out on his general POS shitty behavior too. His behavior absolutely unconscionable and I would be so annoyed to my stomach if I see this. I literally can't jump on a Discord Server with Tim on it without Tim chimping out. I get so sick of seeing it, that I always eventually leave the discord server. I've held it in too long and stayed quiet for too long, now I am speaking out. I would be so upset if this passed.

Tim way too addicted to NS toxic situations, he takes the game too far, he basically gets away with bullying other NSers (basically anyone who's not on his side, politically or friendship wise), he and gets away with everything he does. He's really unconscionable and inexcusable. He does not care if a NSer is experiencing stress or real life stress as a result of Tim's actions, he doesn't give a crap about others except himself or whoever's on his side. In fact, he relishes in it! Screw him this guy.

A lot of people feel bullied by Tim but are afraid to speak out in public or they'll get bullied/targeted or just humiliated, in public or in private channels. That's why you don't see many people speaking out against a guy this "influential." He's literally the leader of the defender HALF of military gameplay, which is why he gets away with everything. If Tim was any other guy, he'd have been cancelled out of NS by now.

So um, yeah. Just drop this proposal and move on please but of course you won't, you literally lap up everything Tim says.

I will be sitting out of the vote or voting against, if this comes to vote. I really hope it doesn't pass but of course I expect the WA will be full of blind voters who blindly vote "Yes" without knowing Tim's unconscionable quite aggressive history. Tim's "simps" (oh one time Tim accused me of having simps in public but at least my "simps" don't attack Tim because they're scared of his retaliation - and because I ask them to hold back, while Tim's simps like to attack me) support Tim but wait until you actually meet him, it's always a bad experience (I mean it starts off good but if you piss him off, you're basically screwed for the rest of your time on NS.) I just hope this doesn't pass.

I will be so upset.

So yeah.

Well, I mean, I can just close the tab and not look at it. I can't control how other regions vote, because I don't play this game and I don't talk to anyone in this game, I don't have anyone to convince to vote Against except for my own vote. So all I can do is just ignore this. And feel extremely resentful because I remember back when Tim caused me a lot of problems (and still does to this day even THIS YEAR) when it was none of his business, he should have stayed out. Screw all that noise. I thought he was retiring, I hope he stays retired.

I am closing this tab because I can't stand to see it. I wouldn't have seen this if the NSer didn't link me this thread anyway.

[Quebecshire]

So um, yeah. Just drop this proposal and move on please but of course you won't, you literally lap up everything Tim says.

I'm not going to drop it, because I (alongside my co-authors) have put significant work into this proposal and believe the nominee is commendable. Implying that I am merely a Tim-following drone is not going to do much convincing, for the record.

There isn't much other substance in your post to respond to. I am not Tim, nor do I care extensively about your issues with him and vice versa.

[Doge Land]

Solid resolution but against due to nominee. I expect this to pass but maybe within a margin of 10%.

[Warden Altmoras]

opposed on principle and will be pushing for such a vote in TCB, tim has by far been the most unrepentantly toxic and shitty people I have interacted with in NSGP. no matter how much he might have done to deserve a badge I will always be opposed to this because of his behavior alone

I'm curious, what is the source of your antipathy towards Tim? I know what Yuno and Syl's deals are but what's your particular brand of Tim hate?

[WayNeacTia]

So um, yeah. Just drop this proposal and move on please but of course you won't, you literally lap up everything Tim says.

I'm not going to drop it, because I (alongside my co-authors) have put significant work into this proposal and believe the nominee is commendable. Implying that I am merely a Tim-following drone is not going to do much convincing, for the record.

"You will guard them and they will hate you for it. Whenever there is not a Blight actively crawling over the surface, humanity will do its best to forget how much they need you.
And that's good. We need to stand apart from them, even if they have to push us away to make us do it. That is the only way we can ever make the hard decisions."[/align]

Goddamn, this is gonna be a tough one to write. Those who fear change are doomed to be mediocre like TBH for eternity, though, so let's just get right into it.

Effective today, I will be stepping down from my tenure as First Warden of The Grey Wardens. This decision was actually made back in October, and I had anticipated doing it sooner - alas shit happens, certain GP tantrum threads get made, we move. If anything, now feels even more appropriate to do so. On this Thanksgiving, we can be thankful for the success that we've seen, and grow optimistic for the continued success that is to come in the coming year. As we close the curtain on a dominant year and a half of my tenure as First Warden, handing off the torch to a more-than-capable successor, we need only look at 2021 Defender Awards to summarize the success that we've seen over the last year. Absolutely cleaning up at the awards, members of The Order took home a majority of the awards, as well as the Anarchotopia Award for Best Organization. The Grey Wardens is larger than it has ever been, more active than it has ever been, and filled with more potential for the future than ever before. All that we've built over the last year and a half shall serve as the framework for even grander success, as we march ever closer to wiping out The Blight and eradicating the Darkspawn.

I want thank The Order for the absolute privilege of serving as First Warden for the last year and a half. I'd like to think we've accomplished quite a bit together don't you think? The Grey Wardens stand immense; displaying a force of over forty active duty troops, the fastest update chasers ever seen, a thriving off-update reserve military, an increasingly gargantuan region with impressive WA member numbers, and a bustling offsite community. This was accomplished by the unified work of so many members, the combined sum of contributions even as small as a Seeker showing up for their first Liberation. Tireless work, and so much time, has gone into the continuous development and redevelopment of our region to be the best version of itself it can be. While I will by no means take credit for the success as a whole, as that would be a disservice to everybody else that has dedicated so much time and skill to making it happen, I will say it has been an absolute pleasure facilitating and enabling this success from my position as First Warden. Being able to see a vision achieved, and work together with so many amazing comrades to make it happen, has been an incredibly satisfying experience. So many regions come and go, flaunting idealistic dreams of grandeur but the lack of commitment and ability to back it up. Not us though - The Order is far from its peak, and we will keep climbing until we reach it. The Blight is far from gone, and it falls to us to ensure that its kindled flames of revival are stamped out. As we take the next step as a region and organization, we look only forwards. As we evolve into our next form, it is with this future-forward mindset that we must embrace change. Not only must we embrace it, but we must yearn it. It is with this in mind that this leadership transition is made, to strengthen The Order as we forge forward.

Before those who cherish me panic, and those who loathe me rejoice, I'm not going anywhere - I have a Power20 to win and a WASC Commendation to earn. Plus, who else is gonna stick around to make sure the Armchair Generals and Patio Privates of GP continue to be put in their place when they try to speak cluelessly on R/D. As we grow more dominant and more successful, it is critical that we diligently combat the growth of complacency in the faction. Many will rest on their laurels, but it is fools who rest before the job is done and we are not fools. So many are still content to preach the message of the faction without contributing any meaningful effort to bolstering our update numbers, which at the end of the day are all that matters when it comes to liberating regions. Those who know me well know that I frequently state on nights with great turnouts that it isn't good enough, or that we can do better. I truly mean that. Worse yet, The Blight is making an annoying little resurgence, and it wouldn't be right to go anywhere before clipping the wings of their swan song. That false hope which exists in the hearts of those who seek to destroy the world must be stamped out. To win this war, we will need to continue swelling our numbers to heights never seen before. Every little ember of the darkspawn comeback will be stamped out, every pocket of incursion crushed. Until the threat is gone, The Order will stand strong, and I am more than excited to continue to stand alongside my fellow Warden-Commanders. Hell, if anything, this means the shackles that have been binding me for the last year and a half are finally off. I'm honestly reinvigorated, being able to feel less pressure of title/position, and am so excited to work towards all the new initiatives we've got in store. The First Warden term is traditionally only one year for very good reason. To be frank, this shit burns you out, and a burned out First Warden benefits neither The Order nor The World. However, sometimes there isn't a ready successor at the year mark, and the timeline must be shifted. Thankfully, I continued to close out a term I was hopeful wouldn't stretch past 2021, a clear and obvious successor continued to hone their skill and flex their ability. There is nobody else I would be this comfortable handing off the reigns to, and I am beyond confident that she is going to march us into a prosperous new age.

It is my absolute fucking pleasure to announce First Warden Grea Kriopia.

The prophecy foretold has been fulfilled, and we move forward into a new era. Just as the last year and a half brought prosperity and success, so shall this subsequent term builds on that and keep our momentum going. While I frankly don't think I need to gas up Grea Kriopia much, as anyone worth their salt in R/D knows that she's absolutely fucking elite, I view it as my responsibility to make clear just what an impressive individual is going to be taking over for me. So basically, if I'm the greatest R/D godgamer to have ever graced NSGP, then Grea Kriopia is the greatest R/D godgamer to have ever graced every universal possibility of NSGP. Sometimes you just meet people on this game who you know are the real deal, some truly elite players, and Grea Kriopia is unquestionably one of those. If The Grey Wardens are gargantuan following my term, they're going to be goddamn interplanetary following hers. Ever since joining The Order, GK has been an indispensable contributor through all aspects of The Order and Defenderdom as a whole. Elite at update, a great organizer of troops, experienced in diplomacy, and even recently having been a major organizer of the annual Liberty Gala event, Grea Kriopia is an insanely talented all-around star who fits the bill for everything we could want in a First Warden.

In addition Haku will be stepping into the role of Chamberlain the Grey, filling the position vacated by Grea Kriopia's ascension to First Warden. He's been a huge help in assisting in the streamlining and automating of certain aspects of our update records, which as a very expansive numbers-filled affair that usually makes my head hurt. As such, Haku, will be maintaining this effort and thus taking up the role in charge of maintaining the Warden Records within our Command structure.

As we move into the prelude to 2022, it is in this future-oriented mindset that we set ourselves up for success in the months to come. Summer 2022 is nearing closer and closer, and everyone knows that the only way that the TGW Summer 2022 meme comes true is if we eradicate Raiderdom. For those who want to participate in this final eradication of our foe, joining The Order is only a few steps away! Come Join Us, you know you want to. This especially goes out to all the raiders out there. Why are you still suffering under the doomed path of TBH and LWU? Come support a truly talented organization, with a new leader who is frankly one of the best players this game has seen in years. Join The Grey Wardens, embrace victory, and rejoice the risen First Warden Grea Kriopia. I'll let her speak for her own behalf beyond this, but I have no doubt that it's gonna be a really fun fucking time, and that The Order has nowhere to go but up moving forward. Cheers guys.

For the last time as First Warden,

So what? This is all just some incredible coincidence, or did Tim accidently spill the beans? Neither of those scenarios really fits. It is quite obvious this whole situation is staged, much like the whole Trovons debacle, which a blind three year old who has never played the game could see was completely manufactured. Now for the record here, I have nothing against the Wardens, or defenders in general. You guys did a smash up job going after fash and you should be proud of that. No.... What I despise is people that go all out just to gloat. What irritates me even more is people that manufacture victory JUST so they can gloat. The Red Fleet and in particular a couple of high ranking members of that organization were quite famous for it, and so is Tim.

[Quebecshire]

So what? This is all just some incredible coincidence, or did Tim accidently spill the beans? Neither of those scenarios really fits. It is quite obvious this whole situation is staged, much like the whole Trovons debacle, which a blind three year old who has never played the game could see was completely manufactured. Now for the record here, I have nothing against the Wardens, or defenders in general. You guys did a smash up job going after fash and you should be proud of that. No.... What I despise is people that go all out just to gloat. What irritates me even more is people that manufacture victory JUST so they can gloat. The Red Fleet and in particular a couple of high ranking members of that organization were quite famous for it, and so is Tim.

This has been in the works in Google docs since September. Obviously Tim knew as it’s common practice to ask the nominee if they want the C/C. This draft was in the works months before I was made aware of Tim’s intent to step down as First Warden.

The Trovons raid, sieges, and liberation were not staged and I’m still not sure why you insist on peddling that theory. I’m not sure why TBH would have gone through the effort of getting 40-50 pilers solely to let TGW stage a victory. That’s without getting into the other aspects of the op that make no sense as a false flag or whatever.It’s such a bizarre claim you’re making.

[Quebecshire]

I have made some important edits, mostly to bring character count down. These involve changing wording (often with shorter synonyms) or replacing "from December 2016 to December 2019" with "for three years"

If the co-author bit does not count for character limit (I am unsure if it does, as it is now a select/menu type deal?) then the draft is now at 4999 characters, just within limit! Lessgo

[Minskiev]

The co-author bit, as tested, does not count in the limit

[RiderSyl]

opposed on principle and will be pushing for such a vote in TCB, tim has by far been the most unrepentantly toxic and shitty people I have interacted with in NSGP. no matter how much he might have done to deserve a badge I will always be opposed to this because of his behavior alone

I'm curious, what is the source of your antipathy towards Tim? I know what Yuno and Syl's deals are but what's your particular brand of Tim hate?

Tim hate is like Doritos, there's way too many flavors to count.

[Apatosaurus]

this whole situation is staged, much like the whole Trovons debacle

The Trovons liberation was indeed staged out of Artificial Solar System.