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Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:42 am**

This resolution was at vote between the 11th and 15th of December, 2021.
It was defeated by a margin of 9,142 votes (about 63%) to 5,346 (about 37%).
BUT!!! I AM ACTIVELY WORKING ON A REDRAFT - TO BE SUBMITTED JANUARY 2022

This proposal has been filed to the Security Council Commendation Board.
NOTE: at 1618 GMT on the 11th of December 2021, this proposal reached quorum with Krovx Indochina's approval, the 59th all told.

Character count: 2,347
Word count: 354

I'm aware this is short but I believe that it neatly summarises Sacara's great contributions to the Issuesverse. He's perfectly fine with this, don't worry

Since some of you may never have heard of Sacara's Issues Hub before, you may want to read more about it. (Continue not to worry - I actually wrote this draft at the start of August but never published it until now!)
Other sources: Sacara's first fourteen issues (Ctrl+F is your friend), Sacara's 15th issue, Sacara's other contributions to GI?, horror contest 1, horror contest 2

Commend Sacara
A resolution to recognise outstanding contribution by a nation or region.
Category: Commendation
Nominee: Sacara
Proposed by: Tinhampton
THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

REITERATING the important role that campaigners from many nations serve in alerting world leaders to major issues of international importance, often multiple times a day,

NOTING that, as of early December 2021, activists from [nation=Sacara] have gone to infinity and beyond to provide potential answers for fifteen different issues regarding matters as diverse as:
opportunities to reform and relax parental licensing standards (known to leaders as "Mother Knows Best?");
potential consequences for past use of language now widely seen as offensive, whether by currently prominent politicians ("Skeletons in the Closet") or in contemporary pop culture ("With Friends Like These...");
the legitimacy of allowing children to donate money to politicians, never mind to actually cast votes for them ("A Minor Political Problem");
to what extent the obligation of police forces to apprehend suspected criminals should restrict the right of religions to hold services without undue interference ("Livin' on a Prayer"); and
whether or not to make minimum age recommendations for watching disturbing films mandatory ("Curtains for the Horrorshow");

THANKFUL for the work of many Sacarians in helping those from abroad who seek to raise other issues with world leaders with framing the demands and proposed courses of action that they wish to raise in a manner befitting of their international significance;

FURTHER INSPIRED by the Sacarian government's maintenance of Sacara's Issues Hub, a novel tool through which leaders can view highly-condensed summaries of every issue that they could face and vote on what their "favourite" issues are;

OBSERVING that Sacara's finest literary critics have successfully organised two Horror Short Story Contests (in 2018 and 2021), which have attracted entries from storytellers in nations such as Valentine Z, Infected Mushroom, Main Nation Ministry and World Machine (known to the World Census as Shwe Tu Colony) - each of which has a strong tradition of creative writing in their own right; and

BELIEVING that any nation that has done so much to enhance the knowledge and wisdom of so many leaders on so many occasions as has Sacara deserves recognition:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Sacara].

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:06 am**

The nominee may be commendable, but the draft really doesn't do them justice.

Firstly, the descriptions of their authored issues are far too generic, and while I could understand that in a commendation with many other things so that it would be impossible to add anything more due to the character limit, this is not one of them. I'm thinking of something akin to past issue C/Cs. Secondly, since the draft is nowhere near the limit, I don't think it would hurt to add some more issues? I'm not saying you have to list all 14, but it could be more than 4.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 10:42 am**

Todd McCloud? Is that you?

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 11:40 am**

Tinhampton wrote:
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Commend Sacara
A resolution to recognise outstanding contribution by a nation or region.
Category: Commendation
Nominee: Sacara
Proposed by: Tinhampton
THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

AWARE that world leaders across the multiverse have to deal with many political dilemmas on important issues, but some nations have gone above and beyond in helping world leaders deal with these issues,

~~NOTING~~HIGHLIGHTING that activists from [nation=Sacara] have gone to infinity and beyond to alert world leaders to an impressive fourteen different issues as diverse as parental licensing reform (known to leaders as "Mother Knows Best?"), sexual harassment in politics ("My Eyes Are Up Here"), religious exemptions to dress codes ("No Shoes, No Service") and age restrictions on disturbing films ("Curtains for the Horrorshow")that have plagued world leaders, though numerous high-quality dossiers;

IMPRESSED by the diversity of Sacaran issue dossiers, some of the most notable being:
Dossier #1050 known to world leaders as "Criminal Guns Soon to Be Shooting Blanks", which helped world leaders deal with the dilemma regarding sterilisation of criminals,
Dossier #1110 known to world leaders as "Curtains For The Horrorshow", which helped them decide on age restrictions on disturbing films,
"Till Death Do Us Part", also known as Dossier #1123, which was designed to help world leaders cope with the dilemma on posthumous sperm donation,
Dossier #1135, more famously known as "My Eyes Are Up Here", a dossier helping governments deal with sexual harassment in politics,
Dossier #1146 "Mother Knows Best", which helpled world leaders decide on parental licensing reform,
Dossier #1167 "Another Brick in the Wall", dealing with the accidental destruction of part of a border wall,
Dossier #1238 "No Shoes, No Service", which dealt with the dilemma of religious exemption over dress codes, and
"Nun on the Run" or Dossier #1416, dealing with separation of the church and state;

~~FURTHER~~INSPIRED by the Sacarian government's maintenance of Sacara's Issues Hub, a novel tool through which leaders can view highly-condensed summaries of every issue that could be presented to them and vote on what their "favourite" issues are; and

BELIEVING that any nation which has done so much to enhance the knowledge and wisdom of so many leaders on so many occasions as has Sacara deserves recognition:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Sacara].

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:04 pm**

Giovanniland wrote:The nominee may be commendable, but the draft really doesn't do them justice.

Firstly, the descriptions of their authored issues are far too generic, and while I could understand that in a commendation with many other things so that it would be impossible to add anything more due to the character limit, this is not one of them. I'm thinking of something akin to past issue C/Cs. Secondly, since the draft is nowhere near the limit, I don't think it would hurt to add some more issues? I'm not saying you have to list all 14, but it could be more than 4.

I pretty much agree with this

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:18 pm**

Lacking in any real detail, pretty lazy overall.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 3:43 pm**

You can definitely make the case Sacara is commendable, but this draft is quite lacking overall.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 5:51 pm**

C'mon Tin... Yes, it's short, and no that's not necessarily a problem. But there's a fundamental lack of creativity in this proposal that just makes the shortness feel like you're being lazy. Seriously - despite drafting for three months, you couldn't come up with anything more interesting (dossiers, missions, briefs, scenarios, etc) to call issues than just falling back on the in-game title?

The worst part is that it does the job. Sacara is a good player and I think he deserves more than just the bare minimum. "here's some issues, plus a thing, vote pls" - what happened to proposal writing being an actual job?

You've had a bit of a reputation for low-quality scattergun proposals recently, but when I saw Sacara in the title I hoped you might have picked up your game.

Posted: **Fri Nov 26, 2021 6:03 pm**

Minskiev wrote:Todd McCloud? Is that you?

Noooo stop it

Posted: **Mon Nov 29, 2021 12:25 pm**

Welcome, refugees from Commend Emiline! Some of you may be disappointed to hear that - even if my original draft passe(s/d) - it would still not be the shortest SC resolution I've ever written (that would be #250, at a pathetic 665 characters).

(Un)fortunately, there is a consensus of sorts that this hamburger needs to be upgraded to a quarter-pounder with cheese. If I've screwed up this order somewhere down the line, please let me know!

Posted: **Mon Nov 29, 2021 10:15 pm**

This is still way too short for my liking. You need, at the very least: an introduction clause, more detail before going into the list of issues, and then including a list of 5 - 10 issues. I still stand by my previous suggestions:

Apatosaurus wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:
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Commend Sacara
A resolution to recognise outstanding contribution by a nation or region.
Category: Commendation
Nominee: Sacara
Proposed by: Tinhampton
THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

AWARE that world leaders across the multiverse have to deal with many political dilemmas on important issues, but some nations have gone above and beyond in helping world leaders deal with these issues,

~~NOTING~~HIGHLIGHTING that activists from [nation=Sacara] have gone to infinity and beyond to alert world leaders to an impressive fourteen different issues as diverse as parental licensing reform (known to leaders as "Mother Knows Best?"), sexual harassment in politics ("My Eyes Are Up Here"), religious exemptions to dress codes ("No Shoes, No Service") and age restrictions on disturbing films ("Curtains for the Horrorshow")that have plagued world leaders, though numerous high-quality dossiers;

IMPRESSED by the diversity of Sacaran issue dossiers, some of the most notable being:
Dossier #1050 known to world leaders as "Criminal Guns Soon to Be Shooting Blanks", which helped world leaders deal with the dilemma regarding sterilisation of criminals,
Dossier #1110 known to world leaders as "Curtains For The Horrorshow", which helped them decide on age restrictions on disturbing films,
"Till Death Do Us Part", also known as Dossier #1123, which was designed to help world leaders cope with the dilemma on posthumous sperm donation,
Dossier #1135, more famously known as "My Eyes Are Up Here", a dossier helping governments deal with sexual harassment in politics,
Dossier #1146 "Mother Knows Best", which helpled world leaders decide on parental licensing reform,
Dossier #1167 "Another Brick in the Wall", dealing with the accidental destruction of part of a border wall,
Dossier #1238 "No Shoes, No Service", which dealt with the dilemma of religious exemption over dress codes, and
"Nun on the Run" or Dossier #1416, dealing with separation of the church and state;

~~FURTHER~~INSPIRED by the Sacarian government's maintenance of Sacara's Issues Hub, a novel tool through which leaders can view highly-condensed summaries of every issue that could be presented to them and vote on what their "favourite" issues are; and

BELIEVING that any nation which has done so much to enhance the knowledge and wisdom of so many leaders on so many occasions as has Sacara deserves recognition:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Sacara].

Posted: **Wed Dec 01, 2021 5:57 pm**

Sacara now has his fifteenth issue; with a minor political problem comes a minor update. Looking to submit this around 10th December if there are no supermassive concerns.

With all due apologies to Apatosaurus, I feel like I've summarised five of Sacara's issues in enough detail to let the reader understand what they're actually about without being overwhelmed (plus I've always believed in making resolutions as short as possible and no shorter); I'm not convinced that adding filler that has appeared in almost every single Issues Commend ever is going to help

Posted: **Wed Dec 01, 2021 6:52 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:Sacara now has his fifteenth issue; with a minor political problem comes a minor update. Looking to submit this around 10th December if there are no supermassive concerns.

There is a supermassive concern :P

Tinhampton wrote:With all due apologies to Apatosaurus, I feel like I've summarised five of Sacara's issues in enough detail to let the reader understand what they're actually about without being overwhelmed (plus I've always believed in making resolutions as short as possible and no shorter); I'm not convinced that adding filler that has appeared in almost every single Issues Commend ever is going to help :P

It's not filler. Right now you just have a list of 4 issues with some interesting stuff with no explanation on how it's commendable or even much detail or character. At the very least, add an introduction clause, use [list] tags on your issues list and add 3 - 4 more issues to the list. If possible, also add some more character onto the issues (for example theming it as data-sharing operations in Commend Jutsa, government missions in Commend Nuremgard, infiltration operations in Condemn The Free Joy State etc.)

Posted: **Wed Dec 01, 2021 7:45 pm**

I've split the difference here: I'm willing to use "list" tags and I've added a few more bits about Sacara's contributions in GI and elsewhere, but I feel as though the new selection of six issues deliver a good-enough representation of what he's done and am not currently willing to deviate from my description of issues as being actual issues that angry people with placards deliver to world leaders four times a day

Posted: **Wed Dec 01, 2021 8:11 pm**

…provide potential answers for, fifteen different issues (totalling 1% of the 1,500 pressing daily issues or so that world leaders can access solutions to)

This seems like something that needs future-proofing, as both the issue base and Sacara's issue count are fluid.

I'd make it clear that both numbers represent current — but not static — values. That way, when the numbers change the clause will remain accurate.

Posted: **Wed Dec 01, 2021 9:06 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:I've split the difference here: I'm willing to use "list" tags and I've added a few more bits about Sacara's contributions in GI and elsewhere, but I feel as though the new selection of six issues deliver a good-enough representation of what he's done and am not currently willing to deviate from my description of issues as being actual issues that angry people with placards deliver to world leaders four times a day :P

Much better, but I think you should still add an introduction clause and more detail on how this is commendable (see Commend Jutsa for a good standard on what I mean). I also think it could benefit with an issue or two more listed :P

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2021 5:25 am**

Apatosaurus wrote:
Tinhampton wrote:I've split the difference here: I'm willing to use "list" tags and I've added a few more bits about Sacara's contributions in GI and elsewhere, but I feel as though the new selection of six issues deliver a good-enough representation of what he's done and am not currently willing to deviate from my description of issues as being actual issues that angry people with placards deliver to world leaders four times a day

Much better, but I think you should still add an introduction clause and more detail on how this is commendable (see Commend Jutsa for a good standard on what I mean). I also think it could benefit with an issue or two more listed

I concur. I also think introduction clauses should be included. Intro clauses allow you to justify why issue writing itself is commendable, before going on to recognize Sacara's work.

This is crucial, because issues C/C’s are relatively rare. If the bulk of a nominee's work is tied up in issues, then it's worth explaining how issue writing itself is important.

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2021 7:42 pm**

Does Sacara comply with GA 499 "Access to Abortion"?

Posted: **Thu Dec 02, 2021 9:46 pm**

Imperium Anglorum wrote:Does Sacara comply with GA 499 "Access to Abortion"?

Stats don't make a nation less commendable (obviously excluding cases where stats are the focus of the resolution e.g. PS2 :P). Unless we're going to repeal 1 very fast endotarter's commendation for the capital punishment & slavery policies, or Cassadaigua's for Child Labour, or Marrabuk's for Capital Punishment, and many more examples if I were to go through looking.

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 10:25 am**

Both of Candensia's suggestions have been implemented! (Also thanks to Apatosaurus.)

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:41 pm**

Tinhampton wrote:
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Commend Sacara
A resolution to recognise outstanding contribution by a nation or region.
Category: Commendation
Nominee: Sacara
Proposed by: Tinhampton
THE SECURITY COUNCIL:

~~REITERATING - yet again -~~ GRATEFUL for the important role that campaigners from many nations serve in alerting world leaders to major issues of international importance, often multiple times a day,

NOTING that ~~as of early December 2021,~~ activists from [nation=Sacara] have gone to infinity and beyond to provide potential answers for fifteen different issues (totalling 1% of ~~the~~ over 1,500 pressing daily issues ~~or so~~ that world leaders can access solutions to) regarding matters as diverse as:
opportunities to reform and relax parental licensing standards (known to leaders as "Mother Knows Best?");
potential consequences for past use of language now widely seen as offensive in both politics ("Skeletons in the Closet") and culture ("With Friends Like These...");
the permissibility of allowing children to donate money to politicians, never mind to actually cast votes for them ("A Minor Political Problem");
to what extent the obligation of police forces to apprehend suspected criminals should restrict the right of religions to hold services without undue interference ("Livin' on a Prayer"); and
whether or not to make minimum age recommendations for watching disturbing films mandatory ("Curtains for the Horrorshow");

THANKFUL for the work of many of those same Sacarians in helping campaigners from innumerable other countries frame the demands and proposed courses of action that they wish to present to world leaders in response to various potential issues they wish to raise in a manner befitting of their international significance;

FURTHER INSPIRED by the Sacarian government's maintenance of Sacara's Issues Hub, a novel tool through which leaders can view highly-condensed summaries of every issue that can be presented to them and vote on what their "favourite" issues are;

OBSERVING that some of Sacara's finest literary critics have also successfully organised two Horror Short Story Contests (in 2018 and 2021), which have attracted entries from storytellers in nations such as Valentine Z, Infected Mushroom, Main Nation Ministry and World Machine (known to the World Census as Shwe Tu Colony) - each of which has a strong tradition of creative writing in their own right; and

BELIEVING that any nation which has done so much to enhance the knowledge and wisdom of so many leaders on so many occasions as has Sacara deserves recognition:

HEREBY COMMENDS [nation=Sacara].

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:40 pm**

Apatosaurus wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:Does Sacara comply with GA 499 "Access to Abortion"?

Stats don't make a nation less commendable (obviously excluding cases where stats are the focus of the resolution e.g. PS2 ). Unless we're going to repeal 1 very fast endotarter's commendation for the capital punishment & slavery policies, or Cassadaigua's for Child Labour, or Marrabuk's for Capital Punishment, and many more examples if I were to go through looking.

The WA shouldn't commend non-compilers. Compliance isn't determined by policies.

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:45 pm**

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Apatosaurus wrote:Stats don't make a nation less commendable (obviously excluding cases where stats are the focus of the resolution e.g. PS2 :P). Unless we're going to repeal 1 very fast endotarter's commendation for the capital punishment & slavery policies, or Cassadaigua's for Child Labour, or Marrabuk's for Capital Punishment, and many more examples if I were to go through looking.

The WA shouldn't commend non-compilers. Compliance isn't determined by policies.

Then I don't see how Sacara is not complying with GAR#499?

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 1:54 pm**

Apatosaurus wrote:
Imperium Anglorum wrote:The WA shouldn't commend non-compilers. Compliance isn't determined by policies.

Then I don't see how Sacara is not complying with GAR#499?

There's a reason why I asked a question as to whether Sacara is complying with GA 499 rather than asserting that he doesn't.

Posted: **Fri Dec 03, 2021 3:03 pm**

Imperium Anglorum wrote:
Apatosaurus wrote:Stats don't make a nation less commendable (obviously excluding cases where stats are the focus of the resolution e.g. PS2 ). Unless we're going to repeal 1 very fast endotarter's commendation for the capital punishment & slavery policies, or Cassadaigua's for Child Labour, or Marrabuk's for Capital Punishment, and many more examples if I were to go through looking.

The WA shouldn't commend non-compilers. Compliance isn't determined by policies.

Are we really judging who gets to be recognized by the SC, which is an entirely different chamber than the GA, by this non-compliance nonsense again? People are free to vote with that criteria if they want, but please don't try imposing this view on others as you are trying to do. In my opinion it should not matter if none of the commendation is about GA contributions.

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