[DEFEATED] Paid Leave Act

[Minskiev]

2. A newly-hired worker getting a month of paid vacation anytime? Really? If they were working for 4 months, they could be on paid vacation for a quarter of that. No thanks.

It's per year?

? what

Per year of time, not year of working.

[Bears Armed]

employers, member states, and World Assembly resolutions may increase the duration of paid leave beyond the minimums listed in this resolution.

OOC
For the World Assembly to do so would require a new proposal that neither relied on this one for its existence (because doing that would be illegal under the 'House of Cards' rule) nor Duplicated large portions of this one, and that was not worded so as to Amend (also illegally) this one either. Tricky...
I think that you'd do slightly better by removing the reference to the W.A. from this clause and adding something along the lines of "or any higher limits that the World Assembly may subsequently set" to the lines that currently specify the actual minima instead: That would get around the 'Amendment' problem, at least...

[Minskiev]

employers, member states, and World Assembly resolutions may increase the duration of paid leave beyond the minimums listed in this resolution.

OOC
For the World Assembly to do so would require a new proposal that neither relied on this one for its existence (because doing that would be illegal under the 'House of Cards' rule) nor Duplicated large portions of this one, and that was not worded so as to Amend (also illegally) this one either. Tricky...
I think that you'd do slightly better by removing the reference to the W.A. from this clause and adding something along the lines of "or any higher limits that the World Assembly may subsequently set" to the lines that currently specify the actual minima instead: That would get around the 'Amendment' problem, at least...

Sure.

[Minskiev]

Made a few more changes, the most prominent of which being that instead of the responsibility of providing financial compensation defaulting to the government, it now defaults to employers.

[Minskiev]

bump

[Minskiev]

One more bump, I think.

[Minskiev]

...one more bump actually, heh

[Free Ravensburg]

Might I suggest a mandatory vacation days if this passes

[Minskiev]

Might I suggest a mandatory vacation days if this passes

As in, if you have 5 vacation days left on December 26th, you wouldn't be allowed to work until January 1st? Or do you mean all member states must give employees vacation? For the latter, that is already accomplished.

[Bananaistan]

OOC: The leave in section 2c discriminatory to good employers who keep good staff and to people who change jobs. It is also excessive.

Also, 1bi might get lost in the mix. The material effect is that the state does not in fact pay 100% of the wages of some millionaire banker when they're off but it could be more clearly stated to avoid the deliberate misinterpretation which some regional WA ministers will no doubt jump to.

2b. Can it be more clearly stated that only the caregiver gets the time off? Some granny might have 20 grandchildren and it seems like they can all get WA mandated paid time off at the workers' teat.

2d. Can you lose the species wank? There's no species wank for the specific time frames given in the rest of section 2 so I don't why it's necessary here.

[Minskiev]

OOC: The leave in section 2c discriminatory to good employers who keep good staff and to people who change jobs. It is also excessive.

Also, 1bi might get lost in the mix. The material effect is that the state does not in fact pay 100% of the wages of some millionaire banker when they're off but it could be more clearly stated to avoid the deliberate misinterpretation which some regional WA ministers will no doubt jump to.

2b. Can it be more clearly stated that only the caregiver gets the time off? Some granny might have 20 grandchildren and it seems like they can all get WA mandated paid time off at the workers' teat.

2d. Can you lose the species wank? There's no species wank for the specific time frames given in the rest of section 2 so I don't why it's necessary here.

1) Hmm. Fine, I'll do away with it, since employers would be incentivized to implement something similar without the provision.

2) I'll address it.

3) Sure.

4) I initially didn't include it because it was rather silly, in my opinion. But non-human nations lobbied for it, so I added it. Let's see the consequences of not having it:
- species whose children take twice as long to grow would have only half the development, but it's not like a relative-6-week-old would be less dependent than a relative-12-week-old. Or a relative-1-week-old. Or a relative-day-old. So really you'd be expected to manage regardless. Hmm.
- species whose children take half as long to grow would have double the development. That'd make a relative-24-week-old, still dependent. But let's speed it up a little - a relative 13-year-old would be expected to be independent if their parents are at work. So if 12 weeks develops the child to, say, a relative 24-year-old, then that time might be too long. Although there is "should said child require such care", so in reality, the species wank is unnecessary. Alright, I'll drop it.

[Minskiev]

This has now been submitted.

[Greater Cesnica]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Paid Leave Act".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[Polomon Islands]

We are only 10 minutes into this and it looks like it is tanking.

[Concrete Slab]

We are only 10 minutes into this and it looks like it is tanking.

There's still a lot of time left. None of the GCR delegates have even voted lol

[Polomon Islands]

We are only 10 minutes into this and it looks like it is tanking.

There's still a lot of time left. None of the GCR delegates have even voted lol

Yeah.

[Xanthorrhoea]

There's still a lot of time left. None of the GCR delegates have even voted lol

Yeah.

From personal experience, I've learned not to call these things early

[Charburek]

Any reason this is being voted against so bad? I admit I'm not the best at reading kind of between the lines of texts like that but what I read seemed good - so what's up with the votes?

[Bananaistan]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the General Assembly Resolution, "Paid Leave Act".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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OOC: Who'd have thunk it? Yet another IFV from a large region based on a misrepresentation of the proposal.

[Gonswanza]

Any reason this is being voted against so bad? I admit I'm not the best at reading kind of between the lines of texts like that but what I read seemed good - so what's up with the votes?

It's based around a human worker rather than going interspecies... Given that doing so would require a whole series of dupes with the only differences being in how they are worded or structured to apply to various non-human species.

That and probably some other things that I won't know about.

But, of course, these are just assumptions.

[Terra Animo]

Before voting, I would like to bring into question what constitutes "an irreversible illness or injury." I feel as if this clause could be exploited by workers to get 4 weeks of paid leave over illnesses or injuries that do not sensibly require such a long period. Is a broken finger not technically irreversible? Won't it never be 100% as useful as it once was? But don't most miss just a day or two of work over a broken finger in the real world? Is Chicken Pox not an irreversible illness as once you get it once you technically "always have it"? Yet isn't the recovery time from Chicken Pox far shorter than 4 weeks typically? I feel like the list of technicalities like these, especially regarding the breaking of bones, could be endless. Also, could one not also stay out 6 weeks because they claim they must provide care for someone with an "irreversible injury," while in all reality they are just doing a small handful of household chores while their grandmas finger is in a stint and so she is technically unable to "function?" Just some concerns that came to mind while contemplating my vote, would love to hear some others thoughts on the matter.

[Apatosaurus]

Any reason this is being voted against so bad? I admit I'm not the best at reading kind of between the lines of texts like that but what I read seemed good - so what's up with the votes?

It's based around a human worker rather than going interspecies... Given that doing so would require a whole series of dupes with the only differences being in how they are worded or structured to apply to various non-human species.

That and probably some other things that I won't know about.

But, of course, these are just assumptions.

Yeah, that's my main issue with the proposal. TNP and Europeia's IFV's also raise very good points against.

[Charburek]

Any reason this is being voted against so bad? I admit I'm not the best at reading kind of between the lines of texts like that but what I read seemed good - so what's up with the votes?

It's based around a human worker rather than going interspecies... Given that doing so would require a whole series of dupes with the only differences being in how they are worded or structured to apply to various non-human species.

That and probably some other things that I won't know about.

But, of course, these are just assumptions.

Is that a joke or-

[Outer Sparta]

It's based around a human worker rather than going interspecies... Given that doing so would require a whole series of dupes with the only differences being in how they are worded or structured to apply to various non-human species.

That and probably some other things that I won't know about.

But, of course, these are just assumptions.

Is that a joke or-

How would it be a joke? That's how the GA has always functioned: accounting for sapient species that are not human. If you didn't know, that's how the NS universe works.

[Apatosaurus]

Is that a joke or-

How would it be a joke? That's how the GA has always functioned: accounting for sapient species that are not human. If you didn't know, that's how the NS universe works.

OOC: As someone who roleplays as a nation of dinosaurs, seconding this.