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by RiderSyl » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:42 am
by Thousand Branches » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:51 am
RiderSyl wrote:Clearly I'm in the minority now, but this used to be how the SC worked. Skyrim Diplomacy passed a lot of repeals this way. The logic behind passing these repeals hasn't changed, and I've yet to see anyone put forth an argument in the Against column that's convincing. Even the usual folks that always put forth arguments that I nod along with.. They aren't registering with me on this one. I don't know. Maybe Tin is too unpopular in the SC right now to pass something like this. Maybe certain counterarguments need to be made that weren't made here, or this needs harder campaigning to pass, or it needs to be in the form of a Declaration rather than a Repeal so that everyone's happy. Maybe I'm just delusional, but...
I just have this feeling that it shouldn't be like this. NE is gone. Moral good prevailed. If we don't properly close the book on NE here in this Security Council, then it just hangs in suspended animation, frozen in time as the threat that the original Liberation depicts it as. And that feels wrong.
by The North Polish Union » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:57 am
RiderSyl wrote:Clearly I'm in the minority now, but this used to be how the SC worked. Skyrim Diplomacy passed a lot of repeals this way. The logic behind passing these repeals hasn't changed, and I've yet to see anyone put forth an argument in the Against column that's convincing. Even the usual folks that always put forth arguments that I nod along with.. They aren't registering with me on this one. I don't know. Maybe Tin is too unpopular in the SC right now to pass something like this. Maybe certain counterarguments need to be made that weren't made here, or this needs harder campaigning to pass, or it needs to be in the form of a Declaration rather than a Repeal so that everyone's happy. Maybe I'm just delusional, but...
I just have this feeling that it shouldn't be like this. NE is gone. Moral good prevailed. If we don't properly close the book on NE here in this Security Council, then it just hangs in suspended animation, frozen in time as the threat that the original Liberation depicts it as. And that feels wrong.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Morover » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:07 am
The North Polish Union wrote:RiderSyl wrote:Clearly I'm in the minority now, but this used to be how the SC worked. Skyrim Diplomacy passed a lot of repeals this way. The logic behind passing these repeals hasn't changed, and I've yet to see anyone put forth an argument in the Against column that's convincing. Even the usual folks that always put forth arguments that I nod along with.. They aren't registering with me on this one. I don't know. Maybe Tin is too unpopular in the SC right now to pass something like this. Maybe certain counterarguments need to be made that weren't made here, or this needs harder campaigning to pass, or it needs to be in the form of a Declaration rather than a Repeal so that everyone's happy. Maybe I'm just delusional, but...
I just have this feeling that it shouldn't be like this. NE is gone. Moral good prevailed. If we don't properly close the book on NE here in this Security Council, then it just hangs in suspended animation, frozen in time as the threat that the original Liberation depicts it as. And that feels wrong.
I think you're pining for an SC that never was. Skyrim Diplomacy authored exactly one repeal and it was the standard "we liberated this for the fendas and they won, so let's repeal this and lock the region down again" repeal. Also, I don't remember repeals written like this passing in the past, and if we repeal this, what should we do with all the C&Cs that were handed out to now-CTEd nations?
by Emodea » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:08 am
The North Polish Union wrote:what should we do with all the C&Cs that were handed out to now-CTEd nations?
by RiderSyl » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:10 am
Thousand Branches wrote:When you go to read resolutions, the repeals are in there too. I think in repealing the old liberation, it just brings more permanent attention to a place that really doesn’t deserve attention. I think for me, closing the book on NE is simply leaving it alone and not bothering with it anymore.
The North Polish Union wrote:I think you're pining for an SC that never was. Skyrim Diplomacy authored exactly one repeal and it was the standard "we liberated this for the fendas and they won, so let's repeal this and lock the region down again" repeal.
by Thousand Branches » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:27 am
RiderSyl wrote:Thousand Branches wrote:When you go to read resolutions, the repeals are in there too. I think in repealing the old liberation, it just brings more permanent attention to a place that really doesn’t deserve attention. I think for me, closing the book on NE is simply leaving it alone and not bothering with it anymore.
I understand where you're coming from, but the counter to this is actually another stance I've seen taken against the passage of this repeal - The idea that the old liberation is historically impactful and stands not only as a reminder of our fight, but as a testament to the playerbase fighting Nazis before the moderators finally did.
SC#246 is Shroedinger's Liberation. It can't be repealed because it must be remembered, and a repeal can't be passed because it must be forgotten.
by The North Polish Union » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:38 am
Morover wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:I think you're pining for an SC that never was. Skyrim Diplomacy authored exactly one repeal and it was the standard "we liberated this for the fendas and they won, so let's repeal this and lock the region down again" repeal. Also, I don't remember repeals written like this passing in the past, and if we repeal this, what should we do with all the C&Cs that were handed out to now-CTEd nations?
You're wrong (and don't think that this means I necessarily agree with RiderSyl on whether or not this should pass) - Skyrim Diplomacy was also known as SkyDip, and they passed repeals such as SCR#116, "Repeal: Condemn True North" and SCR#101, "Repeal: Commend The Quote Of The Day", both of which pretty perfectly fit the description Rider gives here - there are other repeals in a similar vein that I can appreciate, but these two seem to be the ones that they're talking about right now.
Emodea wrote:The North Polish Union wrote:what should we do with all the C&Cs that were handed out to now-CTEd nations?
Not really comparable. C/Cs are just shiny badges, they don't have any effect on the nations or regions. Liberations, on the other hand, are resolutions that actively impact a region's mechanics. To compare them in the same context is to compare apples and oranges.
Hakinda Herseyi Duymak istiyorum wrote:keep your wet opinions to yourself. Byzantium and Ottoman will not come again. Whoever thinks of this wet dream will feel the power of the Republic's secular army.
Minskiev wrote:You are GP's dross.
Petrovsegratsk wrote:NPU, I know your clearly a Polish nationalist, but wtf is up with your obssession with resurrecting the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
The yoshin empire wrote:Grouping russians with slavs is like grouping germans with french , the two are so culturally different.
by Tinhampton » Fri Sep 17, 2021 4:44 pm
Belken Democratic Republic wrote:who and why would you want to repeal this
by Comfed » Fri Sep 17, 2021 5:16 pm
The North Polish Union wrote:Why not repeal those to get extra resolutions off the books?
by Honeydewistania » Fri Sep 17, 2021 6:15 pm
Thousand Branches wrote:[See for me, the fact of the matter is that repeals also live on in the halls of the Security Council. When you go to read resolutions, the repeals are in there too. I think in repealing the old liberation, it just brings more permanent attention to a place that really doesn’t deserve attention.
Alger wrote:if you have egoquotes in your signature, touch grass
by Thousand Branches » Fri Sep 17, 2021 7:28 pm
Honeydewistania wrote:I really don’t think that happens, or at least in a way that benefits Nazis. Who is enticed to become a fascist and join a Nazi region after reading Repeal "Liberate Nazi Europe"?
by Sierra Novalis » Fri Sep 17, 2021 8:33 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:01 am
"Repeal "Liberate Nazi Europa"" was defeated 9,414 votes to 5,275.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Giovanniland » Sat Sep 18, 2021 9:38 am
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:"Repeal "Liberate Nazi Europa"" was defeated 9,414 votes to 5,275.
by Great Algerstonia » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:06 am
Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:"Repeal "Liberate Nazi Europa"" was defeated 9,414 votes to 5,275.
Resilient Acceleration wrote:After a period of letting this discussion run its course without my involvement due to sheer laziness and a new related NS project, I have returned with an answer and that answer is Israel.
by Tinhampton » Sat Sep 18, 2021 10:25 am
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Sat Sep 18, 2021 1:12 pm
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
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