[DISCARDED] Psychiatric Care Act

[Christus Imperat]

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

[Terra dei Cittadini]

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

For the last time, "left-wing" or "right-wing" does not matter in this discussion. What you're claiming is NOT assisting the author nor critics, and if you're truly a so-called "Christian" then log off.

[Petralaka]

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

For the last time, "left-wing" or "right-wing" does not matter in this discussion. What you're claiming is NOT assisting the author nor critics, and if you're truly a so-called "Christian" then log off.

I disagree, he offered his critique of it trying to force member states, including theocracies, to enforce standards that may be outside of their cultural norms. The criticism is a fair one, and that is what this ongoing discussion is for. To hear nations out on their concerns over the legislation. Where else would we go if not to the debate stage?

[Potted Plants United]

Would've been nice if this slew of issues had been pointed out during the drafting stage, but it is what it is I guess.

OOC: I at least completely missed it, as I read it to mean "within the limits of previously passed resolutions", but I guess without that line actually there, it's not the case.

The issue about limiting patients getting into places needing more work is also one I missed, but admittedly out of laziness of my own. Privacy of other patients should be added there too; being in a mental hospital is stressful, having to put up with the other patients makes it more stressful, so what little privacy you have, is very very precious.

[Kenmoria]

Would've been nice if this slew of issues had been pointed out during the drafting stage, but it is what it is I guess.

(OOC: I apologise about my part in the sudden raising of issues. It was something that I should have noticed during the drafting stage.)

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

“I believe that GA #091: A Convention on Gender and GA #457: Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities would both represent previous obliterations of the traditional, Christian understanding of masculinity and femininity. The resolution-at-vote is doing nothing new in this regard; I therefore cannot see why your delegation would suddenly take issue with the recognition of the scientific consensus surrounding genders. I would encourage your nation, Ambassador, to reconsider the purpose of remaining in an institution clearly fundamentally opposed to its values.”

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

For the last time, "left-wing" or "right-wing" does not matter in this discussion. What you're claiming is NOT assisting the author nor critics, and if you're truly a so-called "Christian" then log off.

(OOC: That seems to be an unnecessarily harsh OOC response to a post that was clearly IC.)

[Christus Imperat]

Whereas representatives of Christus Imperat had not reviewed well over four-hundred WA resolutions passed prior to our joining;
Whereas Christus Imperat had seen neither WA #91 "A Convention On Gender" nor WA #457 "Defending The Rights Of Sexual And Gender Minorities";
Grieved that our hands have been unknowingly stained for complicity in practices and theories anathema to its values;
Grieved that our actions have betrayed our values for participating in such a corrupted body;
Christus Imperat has begun to enact protocols to leave the World Assembly.

May God be with the member nations of the WA, for the WA itself has clearly cut God out of its heart before our arrival.

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

“I believe that GA #092: A Convention on Gender and GA #451: Defending the Rights of Sexual and Gender Minorities would both represent previous obliterations of the traditional, Christian understanding of masculinity and femininity. The resolution-at-vote is doing nothing new in this regard; I therefore cannot see why your delegation would suddenly take issue with the recognition of the scientific consensus surrounding genders. I would encourage your nation, Ambassador, to reconsider the purpose of remaining in an institution clearly fundamentally opposed to its values.”

(OOC: Thanks for being a good sport about my terse melodrama. I am aware my account and country are contrarian on this platform, but I had no idea how thorough the WA had been in laying the foundations of this bill well before my account was made. To be in line with this country, this account cannot make suggestions how an ethical Christian authoritarian state would contribute to the dialogue. Clearly that has been intentional, but it is news to me)

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

For the last time, "left-wing" or "right-wing" does not matter in this discussion. What you're claiming is NOT assisting the author nor critics, and if you're truly a so-called "Christian" then log off.

(OOC: Cheers for your devotion to what you call the truth, stranger. At the time of my posting, I had not read #91 nor #457--and knew of no reason that they would be the foundational resolutions to this bill in the mountain of past resolutions--and made invalid suggestions since the logical premises were known to others but not to me. I commend your rhetorical skill and desire to get under my skin. Truly this account of mine can't add to dialogue for WA members only, since there is no big alert sign telling you of all the WA resolutions you are in violation of before you join.)

[Emrenya]

Quite politic thing

[Simone Republic]

Warm reminder: if this fails at GenSec please reinsert the clauses I mentioned back in March on potential abuse of patients by care providers.

[Asasland]

I'd personally prefer criminally punishing those who pose a threat to others, and letting be those who only pose a threat to themselves. Nothing I can do though (except leave), I'm a WA member.

[Floofybit]

Against due to author

[Difinbelk]

Against due to author

Respectfully my friend, that reasoning implies that you’d oppose even a flawless bill written by Jedinsto, in which case I direct you here. Not saying this proposal at all meets those standards (I think it doesn’t: 1, 2), but y'know.

[Imperium Anglorum]

*** General Assembly Secretariat Decision ***
Challenged Proposal: Psychiatric Care Act
Date of Decision: 17 December 2022
Decision: Proposal is illegal, unanimous
Rules Applied: Contradiction

Opinion at viewtopic.php?f=9&t=527776&p=40208247#p40208247.

[Jedinsto]

Against due to author

Damn, what'd I do

[Glatixland]

"Opposed. It takes a special kind of specialness for grown adults to believe in the magical sky fairy."

Glatixland seconds this notion. Spiritual arguments can be made to the affirmative of ANY moral conclusion, be it charity or the historical mass-murder of ethnic groups, faiths, creeds, nationalities, or orientations that a given holy text deems unfavorable or "detestable".

Is it not insane to burn, hang, or drown a woman for being a "witch"? Is it not insane to stone a man to death for being gay?

Finally, if a set of religious beliefs includes human sacrifice, are we expected to treat them as sane and reasonable? Or should we simply wait until they ACT on these insane beliefs?

[Glatixland]

This sweeping, secular, leftist "healthcare" reform changes the WA to demand a fragmented image of sexuality and identity that obliterates any traditional Christian understanding of man and woman.

This is unconscionable for Christus Imperat and we vote AGAINST.

We agree with the vote against, albeit on the opposite premise. Christians that require genuine mental help to be freed from religious indoctrination would continue to suffer their delusions under this bill.

[Excidium Planetis]

"Psychiatric Care Act" was discarded by the WA for rule violations after garnering 11,431 votes in favor and 4,863 votes against.

[Jedinsto]

Currently redrafting this to incorporate concerns brought up during the vote, as well as legality issues. It's probably best this didn't pass anyways. Also, does anyone know if it's possible to submit a proposal with a CTE nation cited as a co-author?

[The Ice States]

Currently redrafting this to incorporate concerns brought up during the vote, as well as legality issues. It's probably best this didn't pass anyways. Also, does anyone know if it's possible to submit a proposal with a CTE nation cited as a co-author?

It isn't.

[Jedinsto]

Currently redrafting this to incorporate concerns brought up during the vote, as well as legality issues. It's probably best this didn't pass anyways. Also, does anyone know if it's possible to submit a proposal with a CTE nation cited as a co-author?

It isn't.

Ah, that's too bad.

[Imperium Anglorum]

Please restore the OP to the voted-on version, if any changes were made, and do any further drafting in a separate thread. (Archived version.) This thread will go to the archives, eventually.