[DEFEATED] Commend LadyRebels

[Honeydewistania]

The prop gud, wym y'all. Y y'all bashing such a fine prop. And Btw I have indeed read the prop since im a SC regular and give out many helpful advice on both the SC and GA forums.

Many other "SC regulars" have read the proposal and said it’s not good, many in this thread. Your opinion is in the minority.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

There aint even no filler. Python aint do nothing wrong on dis prop. Yall needa kno dat yk?

(Edits where changed to make this post more grammatically correct)

You wouldn’t know correct English grammar if it leapt up and bit you on the nose. I suspect you’re the sort of pupil that has their English teacher reaching for razor blades.

Also this is not a good proposal, full of fluff, filler and non-Commendable stuff.

[The Python]

Bumping again, thanks to Tsunamy for some suggested edits which have been incorporated! I now will be submitting in about 3 - 4 days for real.

[The Python]

I'm submitting this tommorrow after major update.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am The Python, AKA Apatosaurus, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. While they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, LadyRebels was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region in NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice; during their delegacy, not only did they rebuild the South Pacific and its community, but they massively contributed to much of the culture of TSP. For example, LadyRebels was the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions (this is still done by the South Pacific over 18 years later for voting in the WA!), oversaw the creation of the first military of the South Pacific (which while no longer exists, has paved the path for the creation of the modern military of the South Pacific, the South Pacific Special Forces), and held the very first stable Delegacy of the South Pacific during a stable government.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

[Qvait]

I'm not a fan of "the Coalition of the South Pacific" being abbreviated as CSP. It should just be "the Coalition". I have never seen a single reference to "CSP" before.

[The Python]

I'm not a fan of "the Coalition of the South Pacific" being abbreviated as CSP. It should just be "the Coalition". I have never seen a single reference to "CSP" before.

Fixed

[WayNeacTia]

More filler than a meatloaf…..

[The Python]

This has been submitted.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am The Python, AKA Apatosaurus, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. While they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, LadyRebels was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region in NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice; as Delegate, not only did they rebuild the South Pacific and its community, but they massively contributed to much of the culture of TSP. For example, LadyRebels was the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions (this is still done by the South Pacific over 18 years later for voting in the WA!), oversaw the creation of the first military of the South Pacific (which while no longer exists, has paved the path for the creation of the modern military of the South Pacific, the South Pacific Special Forces), and held the very first stable Delegacy of the South Pacific during a stable government.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

[Honeydewistania]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

Agreed. Fortunately this proposal is likely to be soundly defeated.

[The Python]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

I get it, this is like the sixth time you've said that.

[WayNeacTia]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

I get it, this is like the sixth time you've said that.

Yet it appears to have not sunk in yet. That really should be a sign…..

[Outer Sparta]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

I get it, this is like the sixth time you've said that.

Maybe BBD hammering that fact it's a poorly-written proposal with lots of filler should be an indication.

[Bhang Bhang Duc]

A poorly written proposal, loads of filler and very little of substance. I will be recommending an “Against” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

I get it, this is like the sixth time you've said that.

And yet it still has to sink in. I expect any author to defend their work, but there comes a point where defense becomes sticking one's fingers in one’s ears and shouting “la la la, I can’t hear you”.

I think you passed this point long ago.

[The Python]

I get it, this is like the sixth time you've said that.

And yet it still has to sink in. I expect any author to defend their work, but there comes a point where defense becomes sticking one's fingers in one’s ears and shouting “la la la, I can’t hear you”.

I think you passed this point long ago.

Except it really doesn't help to be getting told it's terrible 6 times by the same person but that same person also giving no helpful feedback on how to improve it.

[WayNeacTia]

And yet it still has to sink in. I expect any author to defend their work, but there comes a point where defense becomes sticking one's fingers in one’s ears and shouting “la la la, I can’t hear you”.

I think you passed this point long ago.

Except it really doesn't help to be getting told it's terrible 6 times by the same person but that same person also giving no helpful feedback on how to improve it.

You were given feedback. You have been told by numerous people that the nominee isn’t commendable, yet you pressed ahead. Now you are going to complain no one helped you fix it? Give me a fucking break. Do yourself a favour and remove your fingers from your ears and listen to people for a change? You are far more likely to be successful.

[Outer Sparta]

And yet it still has to sink in. I expect any author to defend their work, but there comes a point where defense becomes sticking one's fingers in one’s ears and shouting “la la la, I can’t hear you”.

I think you passed this point long ago.

Except it really doesn't help to be getting told it's terrible 6 times by the same person but that same person also giving no helpful feedback on how to improve it.

Getting told that a nominee isn't commendable or that a draft has filler is helpful feedback. Maybe learn to heed by that advice.

[Refuge Isle]

And yet it still has to sink in. I expect any author to defend their work, but there comes a point where defense becomes sticking one's fingers in one’s ears and shouting “la la la, I can’t hear you”.

I think you passed this point long ago.

Except it really doesn't help to be getting told it's terrible 6 times by the same person but that same person also giving no helpful feedback on how to improve it.

I have also given specific here and here that the nominee is either insufficiently commendable, or not commendable by what content has made it into this draft. You have not argued why the Security Council should commend the target, instead of something more regionally-based for recognition.

You haven't presented an argument about how the nominee changed or improved NationStates, or even the South Pacific, really. There's really no evidence to suggest that what LadyRebels did could not have been done by anyone else in the position at the time, since a host of other regions have done something to the effect of what was done in TSP (WA votes, vice delegate), and there's certainly no reason to believe that such basic concepts were taken directly from TSP, even if records indicate that TSP did them earlier.

The exceptional aspect of the proposal is the target resigning from a raiding organisation whilst delegate of the South Pacific. So, barring any other grounds on which the nominee may be assessed as going above and beyond, I don't find that one action to be commendable. I don't believe that the act of not betraying your community is a valid argument for a commendation at all. It is the expectation.

When given this information, you shrugged it off, simply as an opinion with which you disagreed. You are welcome to do so, but the consequence may be reflected in the vote.

[The Python]

You haven't presented an argument about how the nominee changed or improved NationStates, or even the South Pacific, really.

So being the first Delegate to run a stable Delegacy under a stable government, building a UN vote system and overseeing the founding of the very first military does not change/improve the South Pacific?

There's really no evidence to suggest that what LadyRebels did could not have been done by anyone else in the position at the time, since a host of other regions have done something to the effect of what was done in TSP (WA votes, vice delegate), and there's certainly no reason to believe that such basic concepts were taken directly from TSP, even if records indicate that TSP did them earlier.

Sure, other people might have been able to do it, but you're making the early stabilisation of the feeders sound easier than it probably was. This is certainly not the first commendation for building a GCR in its early history (obviously excluding Osiris/Balder).

The exceptional aspect of the proposal is the target resigning from a raiding organisation whilst delegate of the South Pacific. So, barring any other grounds on which the nominee may be assessed as going above and beyond, I don't find that one action to be commendable.

It. Is. Not. The. Main. Grounds.

Is it an important part? Sure. Is it the one most important part? Absolutely not. The most important part is LR's role in stabilising a new feeder and being the first Delegate to run a stable Delegacy and building a lot of the infrastructure and culture of the South Pacific.

[Sedgistan]

and building a lot of the infrastructure and culture of the South Pacific.

You're trying to draw a line between LR's delegacy 17 years ago and TSP's current successes that just does not exist. The region was an inactive wasteland for years under Fudgetopia's neglectful rule, followed by an even more neglectful rule when Southern Bellz was handed the reins. None of your regional WA votes, defender military or democracy were in evidence in those years. That they reappeared later is a credit to those who invested time in TSP over the last decade, not to a figure who, nice person though she is, has been irrelevant to gameplay for 15 years.

[Greater Cesnica]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the Security Council Resolution, "Commend LadyRebels".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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[Amerion]

The South Pacific's World Assembly Delegation has cast the Coalition's vote FOR this proposed resolution, Commend LadyRebels, and warmly encourages fellow member regions to vote FOR.

[Gonswanza]

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote AGAINST the Security Council Resolution, "Commend LadyRebels".
Its reasoning may be found here.

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As said before, I am also casting an "AGAINST" vote. It's just all fluff and little to no substance with hardly any effort put into it. I don't want a country to get a free badge off this for extra brownie points, even if this almost mirrors the failed repeal prior.

[Outer Sparta]

Voted against since there's not much commendable material and the author has refused to acknowledge there's lots of filler or even made attempts to rectify that.

[WayNeacTia]

Voted against since there's not much commendable material and the author has refused to acknowledge there's lots of filler or even made attempts to rectify that.

Currently down by over 400 votes and that number is steadily climbing.