[DEFEATED] Commend LadyRebels

[WayNeacTia]

When you keep getting this much criticism about the amount of filler and lack of Commendable content, maybe the penny should drop that this is a pretty poor attempt.

You would think that wouldn't you? Obviously you would think that and be wrong it seems.....

[The Python]

As well as some extra research regarding LadyRebels (apparently) being chairperson of TSP, as well as Moon's feedback and LadyRebels doing more things as Delegate of TSP, Morover has given some feedback which has been added :> I also renamed the "Outraged" clause into "Recalling" as it seems like a very sudden change in tone.

[The Python]

With more proposals in queue, I intend to submit this in about 10 days (assuming nothing else new is submitted by then )

[Refuge Isle]

The target is either not sufficiently commendable or the draft does not sufficiently argue the case. The primary grounds of your proposal are that the nation is old, the player resigned from a raiding org whilst delegate, the player remained delegate, and was the target of unendorsement campaigns.

Perhaps one of these things is surprising, but not commendable. The rest seem like the normal cost of doing business.

Stop the thread title silliness, or I'll lock the OP so you cannot edit it again.

Maybe one day we can have a system where [draft] [submitted] [passed] [defeated] are the only used tags once again.

[The Python]

The target is either not sufficiently commendable or the draft does not sufficiently argue the case. The primary grounds of your proposal are that the nation is old, the player resigned from a raiding org whilst delegate, the player remained delegate, and was the target of unendorsement campaigns.

No it's not? The primary grounds are that they refused to let a raiding org imperialise the South Pacific and built a lot of the region's infrastructure while delegate (such as UN votes, the Vice President position, the DSP, etc.) and then further built the region (albeit in a lesser extent than their first to be honest) in their second delegacy.

[Refuge Isle]

The target is either not sufficiently commendable or the draft does not sufficiently argue the case. The primary grounds of your proposal are that the nation is old, the player resigned from a raiding org whilst delegate, the player remained delegate, and was the target of unendorsement campaigns.

No it's not? The primary grounds are that they refused to let a raiding org imperialise the South Pacific and built a lot of the region's infrastructure while delegate (such as UN votes, the Vice President position, the DSP, etc.) and then further built the region (albeit in a lesser extent than their first to be honest) in their second delegacy.

Creating a vice president is not hardly considerable to be called infrastructure.

Holding votes to determine how the region would vote is also not revolutionary or particularly groundbreaking infrastructure. There are a thousand regions who have used some form of this concept at some point. Having a semblance of region-engagement with a part of NationStates that is built specifically for that is not enough for me to consider it "infrastructure". If more work happened within that system which would be more traditionally considered commendable, it is absent in your draft.

So, once again, you are primarily commending on the grounds that the target resigned from a raiding org while they were delegate. It's great that if it were an either-or ultimatum for LadyRebels (was it?), community health won out. But I don't think I feel that's enough to justify a commendation eighteen years after the fact. Perhaps this would have been better served being lodged early in the SC's history when the expectations were different.

[The Python]

Holding votes to determine how the region would vote is also not revolutionary or particularly groundbreaking infrastructure. There are a thousand regions who have used some form of this concept at some point. Having a semblance of region-engagement with a part of NationStates that is built specifically for that is not enough for me to consider it "infrastructure". If more work happened within that system which would be more traditionally considered commendable, it is absent in your draft.

Being one of the first, if not the first (?) GCR to do that and starting that while you're delegate is absolutely commendable lol.

[The Python]

Since more things have now been submitted making the queue longer (!) this is un-last-called for now.

[Comfed]

Holding votes to determine how the region would vote is also not revolutionary or particularly groundbreaking infrastructure. There are a thousand regions who have used some form of this concept at some point. Having a semblance of region-engagement with a part of NationStates that is built specifically for that is not enough for me to consider it "infrastructure". If more work happened within that system which would be more traditionally considered commendable, it is absent in your draft.

Being one of the first, if not the first (?) GCR to do that and starting that while you're delegate is absolutely commendable lol.

How does doing it first make it more commendable?

[The Python]

Being one of the first, if not the first (?) GCR to do that and starting that while you're delegate is absolutely commendable lol.

How does doing it first make it more commendable?

Experimenting with and innovating a new method of democratic participation in a GCR (UN votes were started in TSP as early as July 2003) not only would have been a new innovation at the time, but TSP's new (at the time) and already successful system was likely a role model for other regions that would follow suit in running votes for UN/WA resolutions at the time.

(That said, I might be wrong if another GCR started UN voting before then for the record)

[Tinhampton]

(That said, I might be wrong if another GCR started UN voting before then for the record)

TRR organised an internal vote on 'RBH' Replacement, a historical resolution from June 2003, and ran votes on two HRs from July 2003 (Metric System and Child Protection Act). Those were presumably from TRR's old, pre-2004 forum.

The vote on The IRCO, in September 2003, was also on the Delegate's Board archive subforum in TSP's Tapatalk forum; it is the earliest documented TSP UN vote I can find. (Consistent TRR voting records only begin with Oceanic Waste Dumping in October.)

TNP's internal votes started in November 2003 (not November 2005; that was when the move to what is now forum.thenorthpacific.org happened).

TEP organised votes on Metric System and Planting Trees, both July 2003.

For obvious reasons, Osiris and Balder could not have possibly organised votes on Historical Resolutions. No idea as to Lazarus, The West Pacific, or the pre-NPO Pacific.

[The Python]

TRR organised an internal vote on 'RBH' Replacement, a historical resolution from June 2003, and ran votes on two HRs from July 2003 (Metric System and Child Protection Act). Those were presumably from TRR's old, pre-2004 forum.

Yep, I stand corrected then :P So it seems TRR was the first, and TEP organised their first votes the same day that TSP announced they would be starting votes.

The vote on The IRCO, in September 2003, was also on the Delegate's Board archive subforum in TSP's Tapatalk forum; it is the earliest documented TSP UN vote I can find. (Consistent TRR voting records only begin with Oceanic Waste Dumping in October.)

No, the first one I can see is this. That said, the wording "standard how do I cast my vote?" implies there likely were votes held before then (however obviously the first vote, if there was one before, would have been after UN votes being started was announced in July)

TNP's internal votes started in November 2003 (not November 2005; that was when the move to what is now forum.thenorthpacific.org happened).

Yes, after TEP, TSP and TRR started.

[The Python]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

[Refuge Isle]

You haven't responded to criticism or feedback, so I'm not sure what the dramatic countdown is for.

Submit it if you're going to submit it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Outer Sparta]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

I would still work on it if people still think there's a lot of filler.

[WayNeacTia]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

I would still work on it if people still think there's a lot of filler.

It’s 90% filler. There is nothing here remotely special that requires the attention of the security council and he was told that.

[Team Lennox]

The prop gud, wym y'all. Y y'all bashing such a fine prop. And Btw I have indeed read the prop since im a SC regular and give out many helpful advice on both the SC and GA forums.

[Team Lennox]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

Submitting it on 9/11 huh. U must be a patriot to the US!

[Comfed]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

Submitting it on 9/11 huh. U must be a patriot to the US!

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what he was thinking about when he picked this date

[Team Lennox]

Submitting it on 9/11 huh. U must be a patriot to the US!

Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what he was thinking about when he picked this date

Dats y i said e a patriot. Eyo dats y i got pythons discord. He my homie. Gotta love our country yk?

[The Python]

This is now... last called... for real this time..

I intend to submit in about 8 days.

Hello esteemed delegate %NATION%!

I am Apatosaurus, AKA The Python, a 2x WA author. I am asking you approve my SC proposal to Commend LadyRebels. LadyRebels, while they have drastically reduced their position within NS since then, was a leading figure in the early history of the South Pacific. They are well-known for bravely rejecting Atlantic Central Command's (a now-inactive raider region from NS Antiquity) soft imperialist control over the South Pacific in 2003 despite starting off as a high-ranking member, and then being Delegate twice since then, not only rebuilding the South Pacific but massively contributing to much of the culture of TSP, including but not limited being the first delegate of the South Pacific to run votes for UN resolutions, overseeing the creation of the first military of the South Pacific and creating a record of banned nations which stayed in use for years after their delegacy.

Thank you for your time, and feel free to telegram back if you have any questions! ^-^
- Apatosaurus/The Python

Submitting it on 9/11 huh. U must be a patriot to the US!

I don't even live in the US smh

Thanks for the free bumps :P

[Team Lennox]

There aint even no filler. Python aint do nothing wrong on dis prop. Yall needa kno dat yk?

(Edits where changed to make this post more grammatically correct)

[WayNeacTia]

The puupet show is highly amusing to watch.

[Gonswanza]

The puupet show is highly amusing to watch.

Indeed

[The Python]

The puupet show is highly amusing to watch. :roll:

Me being Team Lennox is about as accurate is you being UFoC. /s