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The Python
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Postby The Python » Fri Jul 30, 2021 8:50 pm

Tinhampton wrote:
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I would pay money at this point for this thread naming convention to stop being a thing.

I only started slapping those [STATUS UPDATES] in my title because I was getting them to vote in less than ten hours, not more than forty! :shock:

What I'm more concerned about is that Jedinsto makes his [UPDATES] so fluffy that there isn't even room for him to put his actual proposal titles in his thread titles anymore.

Good, because having proposal titles in the thread title is lame.
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Postby Sedgistan » Sat Jul 31, 2021 12:55 am

The thread title has been mod-edited to put the proposal name back in. That's a requriement for a reason - so people coming to the SC forum can easily find the debate thread for the proposal.

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Postby Jedinsto » Sat Jul 31, 2021 6:12 am

Sedgistan doesn't like fun :P

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Postby Jedinsto » Mon Aug 09, 2021 7:59 am

Jedinsto wrote:Submitted.

After 9 days in the queue, this is now up next.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Tue Aug 10, 2021 4:30 am

Jedinsto wrote:Sedgistan doesn't like fun :P

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 10, 2021 8:38 am

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Jedinsto wrote:Sedgistan doesn't like fun :P

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Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:14 am

I think your second clause is just filler, but the rest of the proposal looks good. I wasn’t convinced that you could prove IA deserved a second Commendation, but I was wrong. You’ve done a pretty fair job on it. Will be recommending a “For” vote to TWP’s Delegate.
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Postby Jedinsto » Tue Aug 10, 2021 9:21 am

Bhang Bhang Duc wrote:I think your second clause is just filler, but the rest of the proposal looks good. I wasn’t convinced that you could prove IA deserved a second Commendation, but I was wrong. You’ve done a pretty fair job on it. Will be recommending a “For” vote to TWP’s Delegate.

I thought IA's coding skills deserved some recognition, and it definitely has helped the region a good bit. Anyways, thanks for the support :P

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Postby Wallenburg » Tue Aug 10, 2021 10:37 am

Jedinsto wrote:I thought IA's coding skills deserved some recognition, and it definitely has helped the region a good bit. Anyways, thanks for the support :P

Agreed. InfoEurope/EuroTracker are damned near commendable achievements on their own. They have had a major positive impact on not only Europe but the entire WA community.
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Postby Partnership for Sovereignty » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:59 pm

The Partnership for Sovereignty recommends a vote FOR "Commend Imperium Anglorum”: https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1580309
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Postby URA World Assembly Affairs » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:10 pm

The United Regions Alliance recommends voting against this resolution. https://www.nationstates.net/page=dispatch/id=1580313
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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:41 pm

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The Europeian Ministry of World Assembly Affairs recommends a vote FOR the Security Council commendation, "Commend Imperium Anglorum".
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Postby Trive 38 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:55 pm

Full support for this one. IA's done extremely commendable work.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:22 am

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(1) Aware that poverty exists all over the world.

(2) Knowing that all people have a right to live, to be successful, and have the same opportunities in life as their peers,

(3) The slaving of national clocks and government timetables to a mysterious, semi-regular 'update', applied inconsistently across all known regions,

I don't know him, but I can thank him for many years of working here.

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Postby Inner Planets » Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:27 am

There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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Postby The Random Thief » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:10 pm

Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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Well, now I'm voting Against purely to get on this list. ;)

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Postby Jedinsto » Fri Aug 13, 2021 2:40 pm

Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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As a self-appointed representative of IA supporters, we don't claim this guy.

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Postby The Python » Fri Aug 13, 2021 6:01 pm

The Random Thief wrote:
Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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Well, now I'm voting Against purely to get on this list. ;)

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Postby Herby » Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:17 pm

Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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Pffffffffft. I voted against. No need for a second commendation. So put me on the list and make sure you spell my name right. It’s Ambassador Number 53, that’s Five-Three.
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Postby WayNeacTia » Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:11 pm

The Random Thief wrote:
Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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Well, now I'm voting Against purely to get on this list. ;)

I agree. I want to be part of the cool group as well.
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Postby Great Algerstonia » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:29 pm

Inner Planets wrote:There are currently 2708 traitors in Nationstates

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It will be done, my lord.
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Postby Pre-Christian Persecuted People » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:12 pm

No

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The current motion should be rejected.

Postby New Luciannova » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:55 pm

The member up for commendation is a political hack at best. He has published some very dubious legislation. The Access to Abortion Resolution is extremely prejudicial and unjust and should be condemned as bad law. I have been a delegate for several regions by now, and am temporarily term-limited with a region that consistently is moving for unclear reasons. However, this is my dispatch condemning this piece of legislative filth.

The author of the Access to Abortion legislation is in favor of international bullying and creating undue burdens and unjust economic sanctions.

I hereby condemn with intense contempt the current piece of legislation on the Floor of the World Assembly Entitled "Access to Abortion." It is unconscionable, biased, prejudicial, imposes undue burdens, creates unjust sanctions, and extremely overreaching in goals. Objections are listed below and any member of the World Assembly with a shred of moral decency, be they pro-choice or pro-life, should find this legislation inappropriate.
Objections are as follows:

Language--The preamble uses biased language, such as "rabidly anti-choice." This would describe a number of nations in good standing in the World Assembly with an ad hominem attack. This bill clearly does not respect these nations and thus is unethical in nature. As New Luciannova rejects the legality of abortion (as do many members) this would imply we are anti-choice, yet residents in New Luciannova have access to more choices than members in most nations.

Undue burdens--"Members must pay for or provide directly abortions, abortifacients, and contraceptives to any recipient bona fide within their jurisdiction upon request. Members must also provide a means to access such services and commodities speedily and free at the point of service or provision." It does not grant us the right to refuse to provide abortions across the board and demands someone enable these procedures to go forward.

Unjust Sanctions--The section on clinics reads as follows:
"WA Choice Plus is established and may construct, per section 5, clinics with funds assessed by the General Accounting Office from members in which there does not exist, in the view of the WACC, adequate access to abortion. Such clinics shall offer free and safe abortions to any recipient bona fide. All members must, however, contribute separately to WA Choice Plus in proportion to expenses incurred within their jurisdiction at such clinics for their upkeep and maintenance."

This would require New Luciannova subsidize medical costs abroad for the explicit purpose of abortions subject to definitions by the World Assembly. The term "adequate" is poorly defined and would be subject to this radical board the World Assembly seeks to create. The goal here would subsidize pro-abortion nations at the expense of nations that have restricted it, thereby imposing sanctions on nations where abortion is not provided created to subsidize nations where it is. This is discriminatory and unjust.

It also asks that member-nations: "Members must arrange fully subsidised travel for any recipient bona fide, and one person of their choice, to receive care offered by such a clinic if abortion services are not speedily accessible. No limitation, except to prohibit travel to nations in which there is an on-going armed conflict, may be enforced by a member on a person's ability to exit a member for purposes of travelling to a clinic unless permitted by resolution."

This would result in member nations lifting nearly all travel bans pursuant to abortion only, with few restrictions. This further would require nations that do not offer legalized abortions to provide them regardless. It would subsidize nations that offer abortions at the expense of nations that don't, placing indirect financial sanctions on most member states. This would serve to extort nations that do not provide abortions to realign public policy in favor of abortion on-demand. It would serve to make abortion restrictions in countries to be rendered not only ineffective, but costly.

It further would unjustly penalize poorer nations for richer ones, by creating certain legal standards for abortion that may be challenging for poorer nations, thrusting them into deeper levels of poverty.

Section 5 "Clinic Lease Terms" continues this policy to further extreme ends and would enable member nations to subsidize construction of abortion facilities abroad if it can demonstrate that abortion access is limited in an area, directly promoting abortion and actually servicing abortion preferable to any alternative healthcare.

Overreach--The concerning resolution also states that it is illegal for a person to provide information that would be deemed not truthful pertaining to abortion. This is not defined clearly and apparently allows the radical pro-abortion factions in the World Assembly that drafted this detestable resolution unlimited access to decide what is truthful based on political prejudices, not actual medical science.
It further includes a provision that any policy denied to undermine the right to access to a section 7 abortion must be prohibited. It is unclear as to how these policies are to be determined and opens the door to excessive overreach.

Unconscionable--Furthermore it states in Section 8 that members shall consider personhood to begin at birth. This essentially makes it impossible for member nations to decide how to protect the lives of the unborn with and legal remedies for abortion even past the point of fetal viability, even after a live birth has begun. This will tie into problems with the inability to distribute "false information," which would create an unfair definition for which to have honest and balanced discussions on the matter. This bold definition is unconscionable and flies in the face of professional medical ethics and general decency.

Vagueness--It imposes certain healthcare burdens on member nations, but does not state a prescription for administering them, which opens up all kinds of risks from the radical authors of this legislation, many of which are explored above.

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Postby Tsaivao » Sat Aug 14, 2021 10:08 pm

Mate, wrong assembly. Go to the GA if you want to write a repeal for GAR 499.
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