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Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.

Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.

This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Do go on.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Do go on.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Do go on.

All this bill does is hurt RPing regions. And will only be used to shame nations who only exist as a nation for a good rp. The fact it calls for regions to expel “Fascist” Nations hurts a crucial element of the game. Are we going to condemn or shame every RP region for allowing Fascist nations? Also, who defines Fascism in the bill? It is not a good piece of legislation. Just a cheap bill written for cheers.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Do go on.

I have a more detailed post on the previous page, if you’d like to read.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
All this bill does is hurt RPing regions. And will only be used to shame nations who only exist as a nation for a good rp. The fact it calls for regions to expel “Fascist” Nations hurts a crucial element of the game. Are we going to condemn or shame every RP region for allowing Fascist nations? Also, who defines Fascism in the bill? It is not a good piece of legislation. Just a cheap bill written for cheers.

It does not in fact just hurt RPing regions. Evidence is seen in this very thread from the posts by literally dozens of unironic OOC fascists. Furthermore, literally nothing in this declaration is binding. As it's a declaration, by its very nature it cannot be binding. All that it does is acknowledge and encourage a state of affairs that has existed between numerous major regions and interregional organizations for years.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
I have a more detailed post on the previous page, if you’d like to read.

I did. Who are you referring to with "The Authoritarian ideologues"?

Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

Snow and Ice Caps wrote: I really wouldn’t be surprised if the person who wrote this then crusades to report nations that are deemed as Fascist, even in the ironic, or RP realm.

Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

inb4 10,000 votes flip to 'Against'

Snow and Ice Caps wrote: I really wouldn’t be surprised if the person who wrote this then crusades to report nations that are deemed as Fascist, even in the ironic, or RP realm.

Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.

That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Greater Cesnica wrote:inb4 10,000 votes flip to 'Against'

Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.

That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

Greater Cesnica wrote:

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

Once again: reporting wouldn't do shit. It is not against the site rules to run a fascist region or nation and it hasn't been against the site rules since the site was created. As for in regards to rps, it's a general statement that holds true most of the time.

Also what Goob said.

Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action was passed 10,589 votes to 1,936.

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:

Cormactopia Prime wrote:

Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action
A resolution to express a position on international affairs.

Category: Declaration | Proposed by: Cormactopia Prime

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The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a fascist region as any region that identifies as fascist or engages in the promotion of fascism, or willfully harbors fascist residents and permits them to promote fascism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that fascism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that fascist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat fascism, notably including multi-regional Antifa military operations and the Civil Defence Siren's outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in fascist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of fascism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various fascist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-fascist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

1. No region should grant safe haven to fascist residents.
2. Any resident or member discovered to be fascist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.
3. Should a region be unable to expel a fascist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of fascist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

1. No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a fascist region.
2. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region.
3. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a fascist nation or any nation residing in a fascist region, sponsored by a fascist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of fascism.
4. Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against fascist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

1. Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against fascist military aggression, and for military interventions against fascist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.
2. To the extent practicable, military intervention against a fascist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for fascists or a platform for the promotion of fascism.
3. No region should provide military assistance to a fascist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a fascist region against military intervention, or permit a fascist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

1. To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to fascist regions are equally applicable to fascist interregional and non-regional organizations.
2. Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

I'm not in a rush here because this is a continuation of nine and a half years of opposing fascism in this game, and not at all a badge hunt. I do think it would be a fantastic statement if this is the first declaration the Security Council ever passes, but if it needs more time to get it right, that's more important.

Suggestions are welcome!

This bill is nothing more than an ideological power grab. My biggest problem is the shaming of Nations who vote against this bill. There is no doubt in my mind that this is nothing more than a bill written to shame nations into agreement with The Authoritarian ideologues behind this bill.
Not to mention, it hurts the rp aspect. I enjoy rps in which I oppose fascist Governments within regions, it adds more fun and diversity to the game. To forcefully expel Fascist role playing nations from regions, and then shame/excommunicate regions who refuse to do so, will undoubtably lead to a mess within the rp community here. This bill is atrocious, idiotic, and is against Democratic, Republican, and good ol’ fashion RPing values. All who voted for this, I feel sorry for you. None of you are Democrats, Republicans (Not Party, ideology), or support diversity in role playing. This bill can go straight to hell.

Morover wrote:

Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action was passed 10,589 votes to 1,936.

And with that, the first declaration is passed. Congratulations to Cormac - I think the topic was a perfect one to start off on.

The Hazar Amisnery wrote:RIP fascism

The Hazar Amisnery wrote:RIP fascism