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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:15 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.


This is exactly what I’m talking about.

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Postby Moonfungus » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:16 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:17 pm

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.


This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Do go on.

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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:20 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Do go on.


All this bill does is hurt RPing regions. And will only be used to shame nations who only exist as a nation for a good rp. The fact it calls for regions to expel “Fascist” Nations hurts a crucial element of the game. Are we going to condemn or shame every RP region for allowing Fascist nations? Also, who defines Fascism in the bill? It is not a good piece of legislation. Just a cheap bill written for cheers.

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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:22 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
This is exactly what I’m talking about.

Do go on.


I have a more detailed post on the previous page, if you’d like to read.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:23 pm

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Do go on.


All this bill does is hurt RPing regions. And will only be used to shame nations who only exist as a nation for a good rp. The fact it calls for regions to expel “Fascist” Nations hurts a crucial element of the game. Are we going to condemn or shame every RP region for allowing Fascist nations? Also, who defines Fascism in the bill? It is not a good piece of legislation. Just a cheap bill written for cheers.

It does not in fact just hurt RPing regions. Evidence is seen in this very thread from the posts by literally dozens of unironic OOC fascists. Furthermore, literally nothing in this declaration is binding. As it's a declaration, by its very nature it cannot be binding. All that it does is acknowledge and encourage a state of affairs that has existed between numerous major regions and interregional organizations for years.
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Greater Cesnica wrote:Do go on.


I have a more detailed post on the previous page, if you’d like to read.

I did. Who are you referring to with "The Authoritarian ideologues"?
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Postby Picairn » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:29 pm

31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol
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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:30 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
All this bill does is hurt RPing regions. And will only be used to shame nations who only exist as a nation for a good rp. The fact it calls for regions to expel “Fascist” Nations hurts a crucial element of the game. Are we going to condemn or shame every RP region for allowing Fascist nations? Also, who defines Fascism in the bill? It is not a good piece of legislation. Just a cheap bill written for cheers.

It does not in fact just hurt RPing regions. Evidence is seen in this very thread from the posts by literally dozens of unironic OOC fascists. Furthermore, literally nothing in this declaration is binding. As it's a declaration, by its very nature it cannot be binding. All that it does is acknowledge and encourage a state of affairs that has existed between numerous major regions and interregional organizations for years.
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I have a more detailed post on the previous page, if you’d like to read.

I did. Who are you referring to with "The Authoritarian ideologues"?


The writer, and very true, but the monstrosity that is the war on drugs IRL will also catch drug dealers every now again. When it comes to the game itself, you can’t tell who is really a Fascist, and who isn’t, unless they roll call themselves as they did in the forum here. I think it would be idiotic to think that this bill, while non-binding, and while little enforced, will definitely hurt a crucial element to the game. I really wouldn’t be surprised if the person who wrote this then crusades to report nations that are deemed as Fascist, even in the ironic, or RP realm.

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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:32 pm

Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

inb4 10,000 votes flip to 'Against' :p
Snow and Ice Caps wrote: I really wouldn’t be surprised if the person who wrote this then crusades to report nations that are deemed as Fascist, even in the ironic, or RP realm.

Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.
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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:33 pm

Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

I thought it was a safe assumption, but apparently a moderator disagreed with me. :unsure: Sorry Goobergunchia!
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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:34 pm

I already have the SC vote sticky updates open in two other tabs. :p
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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:41 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Picairn wrote:31 minutes until the vote ends and Cormac already changed the title to Passed lol

inb4 10,000 votes flip to 'Against' :p
Snow and Ice Caps wrote: I really wouldn’t be surprised if the person who wrote this then crusades to report nations that are deemed as Fascist, even in the ironic, or RP realm.

Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.


That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

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Postby Goobergunchia » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:45 pm

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.


That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.


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Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:46 pm

Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
Greater Cesnica wrote:inb4 10,000 votes flip to 'Against' :p

Reporting wouldn't do shit. It is within site rules to run a fascist nation or fascist region. It is not within site rules to specifically run a Nazi-themed nation or Nazi-themed region.

I also don't think that roleplays that center around fascism are all that crucial to the game.


That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

Once again: reporting wouldn't do shit. It is not against the site rules to run a fascist region or nation and it hasn't been against the site rules since the site was created. As for in regards to rps, it's a general statement that holds true most of the time.

Also what Goob said.

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Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:51 pm

Greater Cesnica wrote:
Snow and Ice Caps wrote:
That depends on the rp, and the nations involved, no? And saying “reporting wouldn’t do shit” really isn’t all that Comforting, especially seeing that anything can happen.

Once again: reporting wouldn't do shit. It is not against the site rules to run a fascist region or nation and it hasn't been against the site rules since the site was created. As for in regards to rps, it's a general statement that holds true most of the time.

Also what Goob said.


Then I apologize for the misunderstanding.

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Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action was passed 10,589 votes to 1,936.
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Postby Morover » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:01 pm

Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action was passed 10,589 votes to 1,936.


And with that, the first declaration is passed. Congratulations to Cormac - I think the topic was a perfect one to start off on.
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It's official now :P

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Postby Marsadia » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:33 pm

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Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action
A resolution to express a position on international affairs.

Category: Declaration | Proposed by: Cormactopia Prime





The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a fascist region as any region that identifies as fascist or engages in the promotion of fascism, or willfully harbors fascist residents and permits them to promote fascism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that fascism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that fascist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat fascism, notably including multi-regional Antifa military operations and the Civil Defence Siren's outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in fascist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of fascism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various fascist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-fascist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

  1. No region should grant safe haven to fascist residents.
  2. Any resident or member discovered to be fascist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.
  3. Should a region be unable to expel a fascist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of fascist ideology.
Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

  1. No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a fascist region.
  2. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region.
  3. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a fascist nation or any nation residing in a fascist region, sponsored by a fascist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of fascism.
  4. Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against fascist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.
Article III. Military Intervention

  1. Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against fascist military aggression, and for military interventions against fascist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.
  2. To the extent practicable, military intervention against a fascist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for fascists or a platform for the promotion of fascism.
  3. No region should provide military assistance to a fascist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a fascist region against military intervention, or permit a fascist region to assist in its military operations.
Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

  1. To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to fascist regions are equally applicable to fascist interregional and non-regional organizations.
  2. Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

I'm not in a rush here because this is a continuation of nine and a half years of opposing fascism in this game, and not at all a badge hunt. I do think it would be a fantastic statement if this is the first declaration the Security Council ever passes, but if it needs more time to get it right, that's more important.

Suggestions are welcome!


This bill is nothing more than an ideological power grab. My biggest problem is the shaming of Nations who vote against this bill. There is no doubt in my mind that this is nothing more than a bill written to shame nations into agreement with The Authoritarian ideologues behind this bill.
Not to mention, it hurts the rp aspect. I enjoy rps in which I oppose fascist Governments within regions, it adds more fun and diversity to the game. To forcefully expel Fascist role playing nations from regions, and then shame/excommunicate regions who refuse to do so, will undoubtably lead to a mess within the rp community here. This bill is atrocious, idiotic, and is against Democratic, Republican, and good ol’ fashion RPing values. All who voted for this, I feel sorry for you. None of you are Democrats, Republicans (Not Party, ideology), or support diversity in role playing. This bill can go straight to hell.


Agreed. Just a power grab/never ending well for people to congratulate themselves for being opposed to fascism. It’s nothing of substance and does nothing to address other ideologies that promote similar hatred.

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Postby Cormactopia Prime » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:33 pm

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Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action was passed 10,589 votes to 1,936.


And with that, the first declaration is passed. Congratulations to Cormac - I think the topic was a perfect one to start off on.

Thank you! For both the congratulations and your help with drafting. And though I personally oppose it, best of luck with your at-vote proposal as well!

Thank you so much to everyone who voted for this and made a strong statement against fascism by making it the Security Council's first Declaration.
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Postby The Hazar Amisnery » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:35 pm

RIP fascism
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Postby Imperium of Josh » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:41 pm

The Hazar Amisnery wrote:RIP fascism

Lol I wish. Truly a fitting first declaration to be passed by the SC though! GG Cormac.

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Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:44 pm

The Hazar Amisnery wrote:RIP fascism

Ugh then why am I still here?

UCA- and SM- opposed. Semi-isolationist, pro-autarky but not against some international cooperation. People and the regime willing and ready to annihilate themselves and any aggressor. Counter force first strike nuclear policy. Ruled by very anti-democratic tomboy Queen Alexandria, with her head of government- First Minister Teilga and funny war crimes Fieldmarshall Von Ludendorff-II. Anti democratic but will not try to spread fascist ideas because why

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Metakix
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Iron Fist Consumerists

Postby Metakix » Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:47 pm

this resolution is a s**t on free speech

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Wallenburg
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:41 pm

Well boys, we did it. Fascism is no more.
In the meantime you are here, and it’s beautiful, and escaping isn’t always something bad.
grestin went through the MKULTRA program and he has more of a free will than wallenburg does - Imperial Idaho
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