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Oreion
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Founded: Mar 30, 2021
Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Oreion » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:50 pm

There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.

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The Winter Sun
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Founded: Sep 18, 2018
Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Winter Sun » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:55 pm

Would this proposal harm people playing fascist nations in-game? If so, I refuse to support it.

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Askos
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Ex-Nation

Postby Askos » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:11 pm

Ironic that this resolution would like us to help end oppression by using oppression.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Founded: Jul 14, 2018
Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:27 pm

The Winter Sun wrote:Would this proposal harm people playing fascist nations in-game? If so, I refuse to support it.

They’ve already stated that it’s solely against those that are IRL fascists…
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An autocratic communist-fascist (it’s complicated) monarchy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Population comically compliant to their Queen- an adopted gay tomboy Alexandria who does crazy shit just because she can and no one will stop her. Somehow still having colonies in the 21st century committing war crimes to keep them under control.

Quote of the day: Duterte fells like your average batshit insane NS leader and that’s why I like him that much

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The Winter Sun
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Winter Sun » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:29 pm

Why would you do that though? I cannot fathom why anyone would support this, especially if it is targeting IRL fascists through a gameplay declaration.
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:09 am

Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.

You obviously haven’t read the proposal. It is not forcing anyone to do anything - it is a set of guidelines. And the operative word throughout is “should”, not “must”.

For TWP this Declaration makes little difference, it’s pretty much how we operate anyway. I’m always happy to launch a fash out to TRR.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

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The Winter Sun
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby The Winter Sun » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:12 am

Ah, I see. So it doesn't have an actual effect. In that case I don't see why I wouldnt support it.

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Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts
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Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:56 am

The Winter Sun wrote:Ah, I see. So it doesn't have an actual effect. In that case I don't see why I wouldnt support it.


It's only theoretical
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Thassala
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Thassala » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:29 am

Whilst we remain somewhat concerned as to the setting of precedent in this matter, on the balance of probable outcomes the Republic of Thassala is content to support this declaration.
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Cruzes Unidas de Frioborsarmarto
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Founded: Jun 16, 2021
Scandinavian Liberal Paradise

Postby Cruzes Unidas de Frioborsarmarto » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:53 am

Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.


The project lacks definition for fascism and its contents.
This lack of definition makes anyone considered fascism under persecution.
In other words, this law gives no civil-rights for people, neither helps it's compliance.
Instead, this law allows World Assembly persecuting people.

:eyebrow:
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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:04 am

Cruzes Unidas de Frioborsarmarto wrote:
Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.


The project lacks definition for fascism and its contents.
This lack of definition makes anyone considered fascism under persecution.
In other words, this law gives no civil-rights for people, neither helps it's compliance.
Instead, this law allows World Assembly persecuting people.

:eyebrow:

It is not a law, it is a set of guidelines. Next time try reading up on what Declarations are.
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Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.

RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.

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Religious Lennox
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Father Knows Best State

Postby Religious Lennox » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 am

The Socialist Republic of Astrakhan wrote:
Elite leomonade wrote:I fully support this :clap:

Hey there my friend. Both Right wing and Left wing extremism are bad , too much of anything is bad. But proper Left , Right ideologies and Centrism are good.

If you hate left extremism, why do you have the name "Socialism" in your nation.

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Fahran
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:49 am

Askos wrote:Ironic that this resolution would like us to help end oppression by using oppression.

"Do we not employ oppression internally to prevent murder, my honorable colleague?" a weary voice asked, "This seems like a fair enough measure given what fascist nations often impose on their citizens." Aziza Hakimi squinted at the delegate from Askos, clearly irate at having to attend to such silly proceedings and humor such silly arguments. Then she promptly began to snore, her face more obscured by her hijab than was, strictly speaking, appropriate or necessary.
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Gulag this. Siberia that. No. When I seize power in a coup, people who were ugly to other people will be sent to a pony farm to feed small horses apples and sugar cubes as penance for their crimes against wholesomeness.
This too shall pass.

I've been contemplating the next season of my life for a few weeks now. I could worry about unfulfilling good byes and paltry words for a hundred more weeks, but I suppose this will suffice. If your eyes should happen upon this signature, I pray that you will find love, happiness, and righteousness with each morning that you rise and each evening that you sleep, secure in the knowledge that you are deeply worthy of such wondrous and beauteous things.

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:50 am

Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:It's only theoretical

I suppose a resolution stating "fascism bad" is in keeping with the zeitgeist, even if I'm not keen on the particulars of the resolution.
Gulag this. Siberia that. No. When I seize power in a coup, people who were ugly to other people will be sent to a pony farm to feed small horses apples and sugar cubes as penance for their crimes against wholesomeness.
This too shall pass.

I've been contemplating the next season of my life for a few weeks now. I could worry about unfulfilling good byes and paltry words for a hundred more weeks, but I suppose this will suffice. If your eyes should happen upon this signature, I pray that you will find love, happiness, and righteousness with each morning that you rise and each evening that you sleep, secure in the knowledge that you are deeply worthy of such wondrous and beauteous things.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:54 am

Fahran wrote:
Askos wrote:Ironic that this resolution would like us to help end oppression by using oppression.

"Do we not employ oppression internally to prevent murder, my honorable colleague?" a weary voice asked, "This seems like a fair enough measure given what fascist nations often impose on their citizens." Aziza Hakimi squinted at the delegate from Askos, clearly irate at having to attend to such silly proceedings and humor such silly arguments. Then she promptly began to snore, her face more obscured by her hijab than was, strictly speaking, appropriate or necessary.

Often, but not always, ambassador. Some nations, while adhering to far right ways do not use the more traditional “far right measures”, wish Laka being a good example of this. Then again why should we suffer simply because of our ways?- asks Obraztsova, looking somewhat wounded and for whatever t(e hell reason spotting a medical eyepatch.
Not a racist anymore, got over the hate to my people but not towards myself
My flag is a meme about the RP I’m participating in
Of course this thing doesn’t represent my view who the hell do you think I am?
An autocratic communist-fascist (it’s complicated) monarchy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Population comically compliant to their Queen- an adopted gay tomboy Alexandria who does crazy shit just because she can and no one will stop her. Somehow still having colonies in the 21st century committing war crimes to keep them under control.

Quote of the day: Duterte fells like your average batshit insane NS leader and that’s why I like him that much

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:06 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Often, but not always, ambassador. Some nations, while adhering to far right ways do not use the more traditional “far right measures”, wish Laka being a good example of this. Then again why should we suffer simply because of our ways?- asks Obraztsova, looking somewhat wounded and for whatever t(e hell reason spotting a medical eyepatch.

"It strikes me as simple enough to avoid the label then, ambassador," Aziza yawned grumpily, refusing to emerge from her comfy cocoon. "You're not a fascist," she quipped, "You're quirky. Then again, I suppose that brings us back to how vacuous this resolution really is in the absence of a definition... It's more a bit of signalling than anything else."
Gulag this. Siberia that. No. When I seize power in a coup, people who were ugly to other people will be sent to a pony farm to feed small horses apples and sugar cubes as penance for their crimes against wholesomeness.
This too shall pass.

I've been contemplating the next season of my life for a few weeks now. I could worry about unfulfilling good byes and paltry words for a hundred more weeks, but I suppose this will suffice. If your eyes should happen upon this signature, I pray that you will find love, happiness, and righteousness with each morning that you rise and each evening that you sleep, secure in the knowledge that you are deeply worthy of such wondrous and beauteous things.

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Laka Strolistandiler
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Authoritarian Democracy

Postby Laka Strolistandiler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:10 am

Fahran wrote:"It strikes me as simple enough to avoid the label then, ambassador," Aziza yawned grumpily, refusing to emerge from her comfy cocoon. "You're not a fascist," she quipped, "You're quirky. Then again, I suppose that brings us back to how vacuous this resolution really is in the absence of a definition... It's more a bit of signalling than anything else."

As if that was this easy… People call us fascists because of our values, and behave as if our ways and deeds completely come from them with nothing more influencing it. If I’d get a nickel every time people think that we mass execute our own citizens and do other horrifying things, I wouldn’t have to stand here…
Not a racist anymore, got over the hate to my people but not towards myself
My flag is a meme about the RP I’m participating in
Of course this thing doesn’t represent my view who the hell do you think I am?
An autocratic communist-fascist (it’s complicated) monarchy which is militaristic to the point of suicidal. Nuclear armed ready to use this weapon on any agressor or itself to prevent capture. Population comically compliant to their Queen- an adopted gay tomboy Alexandria who does crazy shit just because she can and no one will stop her. Somehow still having colonies in the 21st century committing war crimes to keep them under control.

Quote of the day: Duterte fells like your average batshit insane NS leader and that’s why I like him that much

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Fahran
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Postby Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:13 am

Laka Strolistandiler wrote:As if that was this easy… People call us fascists because of our values, and behave as if our ways and deeds completely come from them with nothing more influencing it. If I’d get a nickel every time people think that we mass execute our own citizens and do other horrifying things, I wouldn’t have to stand here…

OOC: In fairness, the "semi-democratic fascist empire" bit likely doesn't do much to help perceptions. :p

IC: "I see," Aziza replied, her tone disinterested and quiet, "Have you perhaps reflected on why such perceptions have endured? Some people might call our Haddadists fascists for going on about their soldiers' republic. I mostly just view them as imbeciles. As many in the international community probably would as well."
Gulag this. Siberia that. No. When I seize power in a coup, people who were ugly to other people will be sent to a pony farm to feed small horses apples and sugar cubes as penance for their crimes against wholesomeness.
This too shall pass.

I've been contemplating the next season of my life for a few weeks now. I could worry about unfulfilling good byes and paltry words for a hundred more weeks, but I suppose this will suffice. If your eyes should happen upon this signature, I pray that you will find love, happiness, and righteousness with each morning that you rise and each evening that you sleep, secure in the knowledge that you are deeply worthy of such wondrous and beauteous things.

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Marsadia
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Postby Marsadia » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:08 pm

I support this motion on the grounds that the ideals of countering behaviour that is antithetical towards human rights is therefore applied to other ideologies that have a similar track record of human rights abuses; Communism for example.

I look forward to the SC applying an unbiased approach to ideology when it comes to human rights and those intent on violating them.

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Great Lakes Municipalities
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Ex-Nation

Postby Great Lakes Municipalities » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:21 pm

Fascism is a societal cancer that must be eradicated. The definition being vague is actually a plus because fascism itself is a very slippery and fluid ideology that will take whatever form it needs to opportunistically take power. Modern fascism and Mussolini's fascism are very different but the goals are basically the same: death and genocide. Strongly support.
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Poskukune
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Poskukune » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:31 pm

Strongly Disagree with the Proposal, and I will do Everything in my Power to Strike it down or Introduce Legislatiin Protect the Innocent this has Haarmed. In the World of Nationstates, Facism is not Directly a problem, Provided they bother no one else. Citizens of Facist Regions Choose to live there, and therefore Essentially Cast a Vote for Said person, which would make a So called "Liberator" no better than the Raiders. And yet raider Regions Seek to destroy the Neutral regions, overthrow their Rightful government, and enforce their own rule. This is Enough for Regions to worry about without Having zealous Defenders invading them as well. I do not want to have to Choose a side. I would like to have my regions Remain, as they Should, Neutral.

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Talibani Afghanistan
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Ex-Nation

Postby Talibani Afghanistan » Wed Jul 14, 2021 7:45 pm

No support.

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Croanique
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Civil Rights Lovefest

Postby Croanique » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:27 am

Though concerned with Article III Section 2, believing that permanent military occupation is never a correct or just solution and concerned with the ways other countries may use this resolution as an excuse to occupy opposing nations, Croanique hesitantly offers our support for this resolution, believing that the good done by opposing fascism largely outweighs the potentially harmful aspects, and trusting that other legislation will help to avoid this issue.

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Snow and Ice Caps
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Ex-Nation

Postby Snow and Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:10 pm

Cormactopia Prime wrote:
Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action
A resolution to express a position on international affairs.

Category: Declaration | Proposed by: Cormactopia Prime





The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a fascist region as any region that identifies as fascist or engages in the promotion of fascism, or willfully harbors fascist residents and permits them to promote fascism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that fascism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that fascist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat fascism, notably including multi-regional Antifa military operations and the Civil Defence Siren's outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in fascist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of fascism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various fascist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-fascist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

  1. No region should grant safe haven to fascist residents.
  2. Any resident or member discovered to be fascist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.
  3. Should a region be unable to expel a fascist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of fascist ideology.
Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

  1. No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a fascist region.
  2. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region.
  3. No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a fascist nation or any nation residing in a fascist region, sponsored by a fascist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of fascism.
  4. Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against fascist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.
Article III. Military Intervention

  1. Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against fascist military aggression, and for military interventions against fascist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.
  2. To the extent practicable, military intervention against a fascist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for fascists or a platform for the promotion of fascism.
  3. No region should provide military assistance to a fascist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a fascist region against military intervention, or permit a fascist region to assist in its military operations.
Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

  1. To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to fascist regions are equally applicable to fascist interregional and non-regional organizations.
  2. Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

I'm not in a rush here because this is a continuation of nine and a half years of opposing fascism in this game, and not at all a badge hunt. I do think it would be a fantastic statement if this is the first declaration the Security Council ever passes, but if it needs more time to get it right, that's more important.

Suggestions are welcome!


This bill is nothing more than an ideological power grab. My biggest problem is the shaming of Nations who vote against this bill. There is no doubt in my mind that this is nothing more than a bill written to shame nations into agreement with The Authoritarian ideologues behind this bill.
Not to mention, it hurts the rp aspect. I enjoy rps in which I oppose fascist Governments within regions, it adds more fun and diversity to the game. To forcefully expel Fascist role playing nations from regions, and then shame/excommunicate regions who refuse to do so, will undoubtably lead to a mess within the rp community here. This bill is atrocious, idiotic, and is against Democratic, Republican, and good ol’ fashion RPing values. All who voted for this, I feel sorry for you. None of you are Democrats, Republicans (Not Party, ideology), or support diversity in role playing. This bill can go straight to hell.

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Greater Cesnica
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Anarchy

Postby Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:12 pm

I'm genuinely impressed by the sheer volume of fascists and/or fash-adjacent folks coming in here.

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