[PASSED] Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action

[Lord Dominator]

Probably not, since “antifa” would instead not exist due to no one wishing to work under that banner.

Noone wants to work under Antifa because of its association as a terrorist far right organization bent on undermining democratic institutions.

It’s impressive how wrong you are

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Statement from the Pre-Christian Persecuted People Democratically elected Leader:-

Our nation categorically rejects this totalitarian resolution which will also lead to mass genocide and destruction of the particular people and the nations following a particular ideology. If this resolution passes, which I think it will, we shall open our doors to all the people who get persecuted by these monsters provided they do not follow 3 major religions. Apart from this condition, no questions asked. We shall save how much ever we could of the culture these monsters sought to destroy.

I also request other nations who voted against the resolution to not accept this bill, which is a travesty to human rights and help the people fleeing the wars these monsters will start in the name of suppressing Fascism and prevent destruction of culture and genocide of innocent people.

Old Ways must be preserved and life must not die!

[Greater Cesnica]

provided they do not follow 3 major religions

Credibility destroyed.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

provided they do not follow 3 major religions

Credibility destroyed.

Nope, their history is bloody and in no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows.

We stand for persecuted people, not the rulers of any worlds.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Credibility destroyed.

Nope, their history is bloody and in no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows.

We stand for persecuted people, not the rulers of any worlds.

Basically the same story as “black people cant be racist because reasons”

[Lord Dominator]

Statement from the Pre-Christian Persecuted People Democratically elected Leader:-

Our nation categorically rejects this totalitarian resolution which will also lead to mass genocide and destruction of the particular people and the nations following a particular ideology. If this resolution passes, which I think it will, we shall open our doors to all the people who get persecuted by these monsters provided they do not follow 3 major religions. Apart from this condition, no questions asked. We shall save how much ever we could of the culture these monsters sought to destroy.

I also request other nations who voted against the resolution to not accept this bill, which is a travesty to human rights and help the people fleeing the wars these monsters will start in the name of suppressing Fascism and prevent destruction of culture and genocide of innocent people.

Old Ways must be preserved and life must not die!

Why are you acting like we plan to kill all the fascists, when this is a game?

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Nope, their history is bloody and in no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows.

We stand for persecuted people, not the rulers of any worlds.

Basically the same story as “black people cant be racist because reasons”

Again, such traps do not work at all. We stand for those people who were destroyed by you all in the past primarily due to religion and culture. If someone is following particular politics but follows the same religion(s) responsible for unimaginable destruction of the old ways, well, it is your lots problem, you handle them.

We represent those who were or are on the brink of extinction due to actions of monsters. Our stand is quite clear. You have the habit of shedding blood of ones own or of those following the old ways. For us, every single person following the old ways, their life is precious, a gift from the gods which must be protected. Your nations have made it quite clear that you want nothing but destruction of them. My nation will protect them from monsters who are not afraid to take life, some of them in their own gods name or some of them in the name of freedom.

We re-iterate, because of this bill, those who will flee the monsters who will strive to destroy your culture and nation in the name of freedom, provided they do not follow 3 major religions (which are ruling many of the worlds right now), they are all welcome to seek shelter in my country with no questions asked!

[Lord Dominator]

Basically the same story as “black people cant be racist because reasons”

Again, such traps do not work at all. We stand for those people who were destroyed by you all in the past primarily due to religion and culture. If someone is following particular politics but follows the same religion(s) responsible for unimaginable destruction of the old ways, well, it is your lots problem, you handle them.

We represent those who were or are on the brink of extinction due to actions of monsters. Our stand is quite clear. You have the habit of shedding blood of ones own or of those following the old ways. For us, every single person following the old ways, their life is precious, a gift from the gods which must be protected. Your nations have made it quite clear that you want nothing but destruction of them. My nation will protect them from monsters who are not afraid to take life, some of them in their own gods name or some of them in the name of freedom.

We re-iterate, because of this bill, those who will flee the monsters who will strive to destroy your culture and nation in the name of freedom, provided they do not follow 3 major religions (which are ruling many of the worlds right now), they are all welcome to seek shelter in my country with no questions asked!

You keep saying that I have destroyed or killed people, where is you evidence that I (personally have done so). Your argument only marginally works if we assume that I am in fact a mass-murderer (or functionally responsible for the actions of people who died long before me), and yet you continue to assume a great many things about who I am.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Statement from the Pre-Christian Persecuted People Democratically elected Leader:-

Our nation categorically rejects this totalitarian resolution which will also lead to mass genocide and destruction of the particular people and the nations following a particular ideology. If this resolution passes, which I think it will, we shall open our doors to all the people who get persecuted by these monsters provided they do not follow 3 major religions. Apart from this condition, no questions asked. We shall save how much ever we could of the culture these monsters sought to destroy.

I also request other nations who voted against the resolution to not accept this bill, which is a travesty to human rights and help the people fleeing the wars these monsters will start in the name of suppressing Fascism and prevent destruction of culture and genocide of innocent people.

Old Ways must be preserved and life must not die!

Why are you acting like we plan to kill all the fascists, when this is a game?

OOC: Bro, I am IC only, is it too much? Sorry if it goes overboard, first time I am doing this and recently, heard the terms IC and OOC. If going overboard, please tell/

Back to IC:- This bill promotes Genocide and destruction of Culture. And plus this gives leeway for zealots to label those who follow the old ways as Fascist and destroy them. We provide shelter to those innocents who will be killed off by monsters in the name of freedom.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Again, such traps do not work at all. We stand for those people who were destroyed by you all in the past primarily due to religion and culture. If someone is following particular politics but follows the same religion(s) responsible for unimaginable destruction of the old ways, well, it is your lots problem, you handle them.

We represent those who were or are on the brink of extinction due to actions of monsters. Our stand is quite clear. You have the habit of shedding blood of ones own or of those following the old ways. For us, every single person following the old ways, their life is precious, a gift from the gods which must be protected. Your nations have made it quite clear that you want nothing but destruction of them. My nation will protect them from monsters who are not afraid to take life, some of them in their own gods name or some of them in the name of freedom.

We re-iterate, because of this bill, those who will flee the monsters who will strive to destroy your culture and nation in the name of freedom, provided they do not follow 3 major religions (which are ruling many of the worlds right now), they are all welcome to seek shelter in my country with no questions asked!

You keep saying that I have destroyed or killed people, where is you evidence that I (personally have done so). Your argument only marginally works if we assume that I am in fact a mass-murderer (or functionally responsible for the actions of people who died long before me), and yet you continue to assume a great many things about who I am.

We demand to see proof that in your nation, as well as others who are supposedly democratic and follow 3 major religions including its subsets like Atheism, Agnosticism etc to verify that there are no persecuted people. We propose that teams are sent to each nation and the minorities following the old ways (if alive) be interviewed to gauge how they are treated by those who claim to represent freedom!

If we find any persecuted people, we shall repatriate them in our nation so that they can be saved from monsters. Whereas, those who want to volutarily come to my nation, they will be repatriated as well

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Basically the same story as “black people cant be racist because reasons”

Again, such traps do not work at all. We stand for those people who were destroyed by you all in the past primarily due to religion and culture. If someone is following particular politics but follows the same religion(s) responsible for unimaginable destruction of the old ways, well, it is your lots problem, you handle them.

We represent those who were or are on the brink of extinction due to actions of monsters. Our stand is quite clear. You have the habit of shedding blood of ones own or of those following the old ways. For us, every single person following the old ways, their life is precious, a gift from the gods which must be protected. Your nations have made it quite clear that you want nothing but destruction of them. My nation will protect them from monsters who are not afraid to take life, some of them in their own gods name or some of them in the name of freedom.

We re-iterate, because of this bill, those who will flee the monsters who will strive to destroy your culture and nation in the name of freedom, provided they do not follow 3 major religions (which are ruling many of the worlds right now), they are all welcome to seek shelter in my country with no questions asked!

And what exactly makes you think that our nation has a problem with cultural genocide, sire? (Or mam IDK who’s your ambassador)… We do shed blood in the name of the old ways, and for us life is nothing but a resource, albeit a very valuable one, but still a resource that can and should be used sparingly to achieve certain goals. While we are not a member of the WA we neither the less feel our duty to clear out some things. You discriminate against people on religious basis essentially mirroring what you seek to destroy. And yes we are not democratic.

[Lord Dominator]

Why are you acting like we plan to kill all the fascists, when this is a game?

OOC: Bro, I am IC only, is it too much? Sorry if it goes overboard, first time I am doing this and recently, heard the terms IC and OOC. If going overboard, please tell/

Back to IC:- This bill promotes Genocide and destruction of Culture. And plus this gives leeway for zealots to label those who follow the old ways as Fascist and destroy them. We provide shelter to those innocents who will be killed off by monsters in the name of freedom.

OOC: Ah, I was unaware you were doing an IC bit (as most people in the SC aren’t, probably good to mark that in the future) - apologies then for being hostile.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Again, such traps do not work at all. We stand for those people who were destroyed by you all in the past primarily due to religion and culture. If someone is following particular politics but follows the same religion(s) responsible for unimaginable destruction of the old ways, well, it is your lots problem, you handle them.

We represent those who were or are on the brink of extinction due to actions of monsters. Our stand is quite clear. You have the habit of shedding blood of ones own or of those following the old ways. For us, every single person following the old ways, their life is precious, a gift from the gods which must be protected. Your nations have made it quite clear that you want nothing but destruction of them. My nation will protect them from monsters who are not afraid to take life, some of them in their own gods name or some of them in the name of freedom.

We re-iterate, because of this bill, those who will flee the monsters who will strive to destroy your culture and nation in the name of freedom, provided they do not follow 3 major religions (which are ruling many of the worlds right now), they are all welcome to seek shelter in my country with no questions asked!

And what exactly makes you think that our nation has a problem with cultural genocide, sire? (Or mam IDK who’s your ambassador)… We do shed blood in the name of the old ways, and for us life is nothing but a resource, albeit a very valuable one, but still a resource that can and should be used sparingly to achieve certain goals. While we are not a member of the WA we neither the less feel our duty to clear out some things. You discriminate against people on religious basis essentially mirroring what you seek to destroy. And yes we are not democratic.

OOC: Which nation bro? Cant find your nation on the game itself, but maybe thats because I am new??

IC: We do not seek to destroy anything neither do we seek vengeance on those who persecuted us. We refuse to view life as a resource, neither do the old ways have shed any blood at all. All we ask is for us to flourish in our own heaven, without any interference or threats of destruction to those who already have suffered enough. Since we do not have any formal relations, I propose we create a temporary diplomatic relation to help the persecuted who want to follow their old ways and be a part of my nation and vice versa. We can negotiate the appropriate compensation or lack thereof. Almost like an exchange program but permanent and only applicable to those who are of the old ways and wants to live their life in peace from your country. In return, you can exchange them with willing people who want to live with the monsters on their own free will and experience that segment of life.

[Laka Strolistandiler]

OOC: Which nation bro? Cant find your nation on the game itself, but maybe thats because I am new??

IC: We do not seek to destroy anything neither do we seek vengeance on those who persecuted us. We refuse to view life as a resource, neither do the old ways have shed any blood at all. All we ask is for us to flourish in our own heaven, without any interference or threats of destruction to those who already have suffered enough. Since we do not have any formal relations, I propose we create a temporary diplomatic relation to help the persecuted who want to follow their old ways and be a part of my nation and vice versa. We can negotiate the appropriate compensation or lack thereof. Almost like an exchange program but permanent and only applicable to those who are of the old ways and wants to live their life in peace from your country. In return, you can exchange them with willing people who want to live with the monsters on their own free will and experience that segment of life.

OOC: Press on the flag and go to the factbooks part.
IC: We seek little to no reason in allowing those that reject our ways and deeds into fleeing to your nation neither in accepting the run-aways from your state. We are not a charity organization and will not compensate for anyone or anything we’ve had to slay and kill in the eternal fight that is life.

[Radicalania]

Came here to declare TCBs support, stayed here to read fascists and their sympathisers.

Nope, their[u] history is bloody and in [/u]no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows..

So is ours? Pretending that Pagan religions have been perfect in every way shape and form is forgetting our heritage bud. We as Pagans (in the umbrella sense of the word) persecuted Christian's early on, we enslaved Christians and Jews en mass (looking mainly at the Norse side, but that absolutely wasn't limited). And as a society which grows and moves forward, we need to recognise that shit- nobody has been perfect. And targeting one aspect of that- for example, in this Declaration we target the bad stuff fascist ancestors have done- is an important part of that growth.

Edit: just realised this is supposed to be an IC thing, in which case it's a terrible representation of Pagan Faith's and one I personally find very distasteful.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Came here to declare TCBs support, stayed here to read fascists and their sympathisers.

Nope, their[u] history is bloody and in [/u]no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows..

So is ours? Pretending that Pagan religions have been perfect in every way shape and form is forgetting our heritage bud. We as Pagans (in the umbrella sense of the word) persecuted Christian's early on, we enslaved Christians and Jews en mass (looking mainly at the Norse side, but that absolutely wasn't limited). And as a society which grows and moves forward, we need to recognise that shit- nobody has been perfect. And targeting one aspect of that- for example, in this Declaration we target the bad stuff fascist ancestors have done- is an important part of that growth.

You tagging the followers of the old religions as pagans puts a question mark on your own credibility bro. As this was a term tagged by the same people derisively or as an insult to tag in their words "Idol worshiping heretics". If these now destroyed people had come even close to genocide which they did to the now extinct people (Neo pagans are wannabes, not real), do you think these religions would have survived? Especially during the Roman Empire Times? Bro, please do not read mainstream History.

And this bill is not an acknowledgement of supposed bad stuff Fascists did (wonder why communists always escape their own accountability), it is a declaration of war and genocide to those who follow old religions and who happen to be Fascist. As such, this also gives leeway to the zealots who can accuse those nations of Fascism and get an excuse to destroy the nation, its people following own religion and give rise to settlers promoting their religion. This bill is an open call for Genocide on the persecuted people in the name of freedom.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Came here to declare TCBs support, stayed here to read fascists and their sympathisers.

Nope, their[u] history is bloody and in [/u]no way are they persecuted. They are the masters running the world while the persecuted hide in the shadows..

Edit: just realised this is supposed to be an IC thing, in which case it's a terrible representation of Pagan Faith's and one I personally find very distasteful.

The term "Pagan" is distateful itself in both IC and OOC as it is a tag branded by Christians primarily on those who were idol worshipers. It is an insulting term used with derision especially be the previous papacy. It is an insult and outrage to those who died fighting them and who perished in the multiple genocides.

Also, we request an urgent negotiation for a possible repatriation of any minority following the old faith and who don't feel safe within your country due to your rising influence with the 3 major religions

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

OOC: Which nation bro? Cant find your nation on the game itself, but maybe thats because I am new??

IC: We do not seek to destroy anything neither do we seek vengeance on those who persecuted us. We refuse to view life as a resource, neither do the old ways have shed any blood at all. All we ask is for us to flourish in our own heaven, without any interference or threats of destruction to those who already have suffered enough. Since we do not have any formal relations, I propose we create a temporary diplomatic relation to help the persecuted who want to follow their old ways and be a part of my nation and vice versa. We can negotiate the appropriate compensation or lack thereof. Almost like an exchange program but permanent and only applicable to those who are of the old ways and wants to live their life in peace from your country. In return, you can exchange them with willing people who want to live with the monsters on their own free will and experience that segment of life.

OOC: Press on the flag and go to the factbooks part.
IC: We seek little to no reason in allowing those that reject our ways and deeds into fleeing to your nation neither in accepting the run-aways from your state. We are not a charity organization and will not compensate for anyone or anything we’ve had to slay and kill in the eternal fight that is life.

OOC: Thanks bro. Really nice nation. Authoritarian Democracy, that is funny

IC: Your response disappoints us. Since you are a very large nation, we cannot do anything about the persecuted people but hope that you have in your heart to one day let them free to prevent creation of a messiah who would make them walk to their freedom after dividing the seas.

In the meantime, we will accept any or all defectors from your country provided they are not part of 3 major religions. Whether they are fascist or not, we will give them shelter to start a new life in their own promised land free of genocide.

[Radicalania]

Emphasis on this being very OOC-
Given the modern accepted umbrella term for most "followers of the old religions" by those people is Pagan- (which literally means folk who worship or believe in multiple deities and is the reason it was used as an insult, not the other way round) I wouldn't question it, and would recommend further research into what you're roleplaying.

And attempting to dunk on Neo-Paganism is quite funny given you specifically mention Wiccans a religion youre trying to protect- which is quite new and literally blends most older Faith's together with a Modern Twist.

I'm a Pagan, btw, as was my mother's generation and the one before that (although we have quite a variety of different Pagan branches of faith in my family, not sure why none of them actually agreed on which gods to worship haha). I dont consider myself an encyclopedia on the topic, but I know enough here to tell you you're wrong.

In an attempt to avoid threadjacking can I ask we continue this topic in Telegrams?

Re: acknowledging fascism being bad- it certainly does and there was a lengthy debate into reasons why the SC is in favour of announcing its dislike for the ideology. Although the constant threadjacks to comment on communism have been warned against, I'll add by no means have Communist societies been perfect, but they've always been a lot better than Fascist ones. And calls to be against those fascists should happen, regardless of political ideology or faith.

[The Hinterplace]

I will be voting for this resolution seeing as it is only a declaration.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Emphasis on this being very OOC-
Given the modern accepted umbrella term for most "followers of the old religions" by those people is Pagan- (which literally means folk who worship or believe in multiple deities and is the reason it was used as an insult, not the other way round) I wouldn't question it, and would recommend further research into what you're roleplaying.

And attempting to dunk on Neo-Paganism is quite funny given you specifically mention Wiccans a religion youre trying to protect- which is quite new and literally blends most older Faith's together with a Modern Twist.

I'm a Pagan, btw, as was my mother's generation and the one before that (although we have quite a variety of different Pagan branches of faith in my family, not sure why none of them actually agreed on which gods to worship haha). I dont consider myself an encyclopedia on the topic, but I know enough here to tell you you're wrong.

In an attempt to avoid threadjacking can I ask we continue this topic in Telegrams?

Re: acknowledging fascism being bad- it certainly does and there was a lengthy debate into reasons why the SC is in favour of announcing its dislike for the ideology. Although the constant threadjacks to comment on communism have been warned against, I'll add by no means have Communist societies been perfect, but they've always been a lot better than Fascist ones. And calls to be against those fascists should happen, regardless of political ideology or faith.

OOC: Trust me bro, I have a lot and in much more deeper ways than you think, but "pagan" is branded the same way "Hindu" is branded. Hindu is a term branded by Arab invaders to designate people living beyond sindhu river. Basically, they couldnt pronounce Sindhu, so the people beyong were called Hindu. The term Hinduism was branded by British who could not understand multiple ways of life and tried to force together different ways with one book. Just like people in India (Again the term invented by British) o not mind calling themselves that, out of their ignorance, that doesnt mean that these words are not insulting. If you have experience the spirit world, you would know how much of a disgrace we all are that we are not avenging or at least preserving what was created by the ancestors and destroyed by monsters. You will understand their disappointment.

I admit that I do make mistakes and I can be wrong many times as I am only human but spirits are never wrong. The reason I put Wiccans here is because their names are the only things modern, they have a REALLY STRONG and VERY MUCH ANCIENT PAST.

And sure bro, only, I dunno here to go since new here and still exploring. If you dont mind can I have a link to that forum?

IC: This bill is not a statement, but a declaration of war on whoever they see or brand as fascist. Which is why we resist this bill since it promotes imperialism, and genocide in the name of freedom.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

I will be voting for this resolution seeing as it is only a declaration.

It is a declaration of war towars innocent countries and people

[Radicalania]

And sure bro, only, I dunno here to go since new here and still exploring. If you dont mind can I have a link to that forum? .

https://www.nationstates.net/page=telegrams

[Sedgistan]

That paganism / religion discussion ends now, Pre-Christian Persecuted People, or you'll get a forum ban. Please stick to the topic when posting in this thread.

[American Pere Housh]

Statement from the Pre-Christian Persecuted People Democratically elected Leader:-

Our nation categorically rejects this totalitarian resolution which will also lead to mass genocide and destruction of the particular people and the nations following a particular ideology. If this resolution passes, which I think it will, we shall open our doors to all the people who get persecuted by these monsters provided they do not follow 3 major religions. Apart from this condition, no questions asked. We shall save how much ever we could of the culture these monsters sought to destroy.

I also request other nations who voted against the resolution to not accept this bill, which is a travesty to human rights and help the people fleeing the wars these monsters will start in the name of suppressing Fascism and prevent destruction of culture and genocide of innocent people.

Old Ways must be preserved and life must not die!

Why are you acting like we plan to kill all the fascists, when this is a game?

OOC: You apparently don't know the difference between IC and OOC.

IC:"They all say Fascism is bad because of the Nazi near extermination of the Jews in Europe but the deaths that Communism caused. While we are an absolute monarchy and a dictatorship, the Government of the New Martial Kingdom respects the right of people to say whatever they want to say unless it advocating violence towards a person or a group or advocating the overthrow of King Alexander Himself."