[PASSED] Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action

[Fahran]

I'm tentatively opposed to the proposed resolution because of the potential it has to impose largely OOC GP and SC conventions on IC NS and II regions, owing to the failure to distinguish between OOC and IC fascism and the labelling of any region that harbors a fascist, either IC or OOC, as fascist.

It also feels superfluous given that regions like [redacted to avoid giving them publicity] haven't been a credible threat to the broader community in years and have recently been scrubbed from existence by Max's decision to eliminate openly fascist regions from the site. Really, even before that decision, they just provided places for open fascists to congregate and be racist until their founder messed up onsite and they got raided, bringing us into ill-repute and occasionally attracting angry bald men from a particular website of even more ill-repute. Heck, I'm not in the R/D game anymore, but can someone clue me in on if we've even been able to bash the fash, here meaning OOC fascists, since the change went into effect?

If so, the resolution makes a bit more sense, but I'm still wary of the more OOC aspects of NS imposing on IC aspects, especially given my own writing might soon pivot to an exploration of authoritarianism and xenophobic nationalism as much as the currently in place exploration of neoliberalism, modernization, traditionalism, religious extremism, and feminism. I would prefer not to get branded a fascist OOC, especially by comrades I've bashed the fash with in the past, for RPing a country that is fashy and has a reputation in RP circles as a dumpster fire and story-telling device rather than a perverse form of wish fulfillment. I'd also prefer for RP regions that include IC fascist nations not to become targets of raids that have a lot more to do with OOC stances.

[Countesia]

Howdy all,

Let's take a moment to appreciate the well written format of this advancement. And in turn let's take a look at the same thing turned towards other named political entities. Or to be more precise flavours of ice-cream to suit your taste. All flavours which seem to fit so well and equally under the same pretense as all things have been done under each banner. Yet, each flavour can be despised by one person, can be loved by another.

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Strawberry flavoured ice-cream:

The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a communist region as any region that identifies as communist or engages in the promotion of communism, or willfully harbors communist residents and permits them to promote communism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that communism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that communist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat communism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in communist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of communism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various communist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-communist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to communist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be communist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a communist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of communist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a communist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a communist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a communist nation or any nation residing in a communist region, sponsored by a communist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of communism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against communist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against communist military aggression, and for military interventions against communist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a communist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for communists or a platform for the promotion of communism.

No region should provide military assistance to a communist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a communist region against military intervention, or permit a communist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to communist regions are equally applicable to communist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

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Blueberry flavoured ice-cream:

The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a capitalist region as any region that identifies as capitalist or engages in the promotion of capitalism, or willfully harbors capitalist residents and permits them to promote capitalism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that capitalism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that capitalist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat capitalism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in capitalist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of capitalism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various capitalist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-capitalist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to capitalist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be capitalist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a capitalist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of capitalist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a capitalist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a capitalist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a capitalist nation or any nation residing in a capitalist region, sponsored by a capitalist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of capitalism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against capitalist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against capitalist military aggression, and for military interventions against capitalist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a capitalist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for capitalists or a platform for the promotion of capitalism.

No region should provide military assistance to a capitalist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a capitalist region against military intervention, or permit a capitalist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to capitalist regions are equally applicable to capitalist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

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Mint flavoured ice-cream:

The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a democratic region as any region that identifies as democratic or engages in the promotion of democracy, or willfully harbors democratic residents and permits them to promote democracy within the region or abroad;

Asserting that democracy is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that democratic regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat democracy, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in democratic regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of democracy, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various democratic regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-democratic action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to democratic residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be democratic should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a democratic resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of democratic ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a democratic region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a democratic nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a democratic nation or any nation residing in a democratic region, sponsored by a democratic region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of democracy.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against democratic regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against democratic military aggression, and for military interventions against democratic regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a democratic region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for democracies or a platform for the promotion of democracy.

No region should provide military assistance to a democratic region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a democratic region against military intervention, or permit a democratic region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to democratic regions are equally applicable to democratic interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

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Rocky-road flavoured ice-cream:

The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a authoritarian region as any region that identifies as authoritarian or engages in the promotion of authoritarianism, or willfully harbors authoritarian residents and permits them to promote authoritarianism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that authoritarianism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that authoritarian regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat authoritarianism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in authoritarian regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of authoritarianism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various authoritarian regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-authoritarian action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to authoritarian residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be authoritarian should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a authoritarian resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of authoritarian ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a authoritarian region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a authoritarian nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a authoritarian nation or any nation residing in a authoritarian region, sponsored by a authoritarian region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of authoritarianism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against authoritarian regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against authoritarian military aggression, and for military interventions against authoritarian regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a authoritarian region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for authoritarians or a platform for the promotion of authoritarianism.

No region should provide military assistance to a authoritarian region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a authoritarian region against military intervention, or permit a authoritarian region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to authoritarian regions are equally applicable to authoritarian interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

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Liquorice flavoured ice-cream:

The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a anarchist region as any region that identifies as anarchist or engages in the promotion of anarchism, or willfully harbors anarchist residents and permits them to promote anarchism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that anarchism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that anarchist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat anarchism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in anarchist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of anarchism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various anarchist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-anarchist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to anarchist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be anarchist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a anarchist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of anarchist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a anarchist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a anarchist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a anarchist nation or any nation residing in a anarchist region, sponsored by a anarchist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of anarchism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against anarchist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against anarchist military aggression, and for military interventions against anarchist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a anarchist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for anarchists or a platform for the promotion of anarchism.

No region should provide military assistance to a anarchist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a anarchist region against military intervention, or permit a anarchist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to anarchist regions are equally applicable to anarchist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.

To the point: Just because one nation claims they haven't done something so horrid using whatever political affiliation they claim to be, another can claim they've taken that political affiliation and done it. You want to ban one, ban them all. Make the World Assembly non-aligned with anything, no extremism of any faction, no extortionists, no people waging war because they think they're 'good guys' or 'heroes' and destroying the nations of another region over the way they govern, and hurting and killing millions of civilians and their livelihoods simply due to an affiliation and love for their country and nation. Make the World Assembly exclusively bureaucratic without any left or right leaning, the simplest of all flavours of ice-cream vanilla. Secondly, if Total War has not been declared between regions or nations they are, and should, treat each other as equals while a part of the World Assembly. A nation that wants to run and promote themselves as any political alignment should not be barred from doing so. Taking it forth to bringing your real-life politics into a game to decide just because something, someone, or some nation is being called fascist that they should be taken down. It's that sort of thinking that creates no-fun zones. I come here to mainly read the silly issues and enjoy the banter, it's something to do on the side for me for fun. Forcing how another region is to be run, or even another nation, goes against a multi-cultural ideal.

To my first sentence in the previous paragraph.
-If you're going to say, "Well I've never done anything like that" Good on you, but taking this and voting yes makes you vote for the destruction and genocide of a people of a nation simply due to their ideological beliefs (Not to mention if you're inclined to bring your real-life into a game, then it'll turn it into a no fun zone).
-If you're going to tell me, "Well communism isn't defined and isn't aligned, and would never kill people" Or something akin to it simply because I mentioned it then you're missing the point and ignoring the others, and only self-serving in defense of one. I could point out the Red revolution where the death of a few million Russians happened. I can point out the Holodomor and the starving and death of 11 million Ukrainians. I can point out Mao and China's starvation and murder of its own people, as well as the genocide of bird populations. If you're going to argue that isn't real communism, then don't apply yourself to this topic or bring about any words or arguments. A child would think its a utopia.
-If you're going to say, "but democracies haven't ever chosen to hurt anyone, that's silly." I can point out the Dresden firebombing as a major atrocity. The constant pitting of middle eastern nations against one another due to democratically choosing to fund and supporting small 'freedom fighter' groups which got screwed over in the end and became terrorists after. I can point out the use of depleted uranium which litters many former battlefields in Iraq and has caused irrefutable damage to generations to come.
-If you're going to say, "Capitalism only raised people up" or something akin to that. I can point out the throwing over of many nations in central America turning them into Banana Republics. The colonizations of other nations for simple profits and exporting and utilizing all their resources for profits. The destabilization of Iran at one point simply to get British Petroleum started through forced regime change that allowed stealing of natural resources. The forces "guarding" the eastern oilfields in Syria simply to steal resources without permission and going over the head of a sovereign nation during a time of strife and war.

The ability to bring up 'fascism' and stomp on it, throws out the idea of a multi-cultural and multi-national safe haven which can accept your idea regardless of your political leaning. And freedom to self-governance should be accepted without dismay and cause of alarm. A nation taking their beliefs OOC and bringing in real-life extremism of any kind that threatens someone (i.e. communist, fascist, etc), should be punished regardless of political leaning. Over the years I've seen similar things such as this constantly pushed and pushed, and talking against something that isn't fascist is frowned upon and will get you ganged up on, and it's tiring to see.

Any one person can take an ideology and skew it towards something bad or good. So if you want to vote yes, then remember it's a yes to the "Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill" through the barrel of a gun.

To bring a side point, have you, the reader, ever played as a Lawful Evil person in a DnD campaign or game but your intention was to bring out a good ending through ruthless and evil means? If not, try it and expand your taste and ability to play as something else. Get your creative juices flowing.

I would gladly wipe Liquorice Ice Cream off the face of this earth without a second thought, so..

[Fahran]

This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

I'm sorry. What?

Emphasis mine.

[Fahran]

You mean so called "neo-liberals" stooges of international bankers? Or Conservatives who conserve nothing? Oh right. Bunch of LARPers. Most of today's so-called right wing falls into the classical liberal spectrum, a leftist ideology originated from the Enlightenment. So not even close to being right-wing. Merely token opposition.

Fascism is literally reliant on Hegelian dialectics in its most intellectually rigorous and elevated iterations. Not to mention that nationalism largely emerged as a captivating political force with the French Revolution.

Also, you can just blame the Jews instead of going with the whole "international bankers" line. It makes the conversation a good deal more succinct and honest. And gives us a lot of insight into why you've adopted the stance you're presently expressing. I imagine you're one of the folks this resolution targets, so why not take off the mask and argue for fascism instead of against communism or liberalism.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

I relate this with rl and as such, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Neo con world is hell and whatever the Fascists have said about what the future would be like once they get defeated have all been proven true. If Fascists destroyed people like you in the past, people like you destroyed old knowledge, old religions and its followers, which is a real tragedy/

You seem to be confusing this with rl, and rl life with mass genocide

You want to see mass genocide? Forget the fascists, go back in time and see what the did to canaanites, and "pagans" which christians derisively use against those who fought rather than convert.

Funny enough “but your ancestors” is not in fact a valid reason to oppose dumping on the usually genocidal fash of the present.

Oh but it is, Holodomor, trail of tears, Great leap forward, man made famine of Bengal etc were done almost in the same timeline give or take 150 years for trail of tears. If Fascists are monsters, your ancestors were bigger monsters but history is written by victors, which is why you guys hero worship this lot

Translation: I think fash are perfectly fine people, and I don’t mind id they run my life

All my country stands for is persecuted people. There is enough evidence that people like you have mass murdered millions and maybe even a billion more than these fascists as Fascism is just an Italian ideology which is a bit related to communism and dont even try saying "National Socialism" is fascism. You will make a fool out of yourself. That was a different ideology aimed at bringing the old religions back. I don't want to get into that since you have been corrupted and programmed for a self defence mechanism of "nazi bad genocidal" since a very young age but the angels who liberated Europe from a genocidal regime blessed all the German women and children from 3 - 80 years by raping all of them, sparing no one and absolutely killing off those who followed the old religions sparing only christians.

[Fahran]

You want to see mass genocide? Forget the fascists, go back in time and see what the did to canaanites, and "pagans" which christians derisively use against those who fought rather than convert.

If you would like to author a resolution targeting Christianity or Judaism, we can absolutely discuss why this assessment is exceedingly flawed and rooted in deeply held prejudices and deliberate historical misunderstandings, but, again, this argument, namely "Christianity is bad", is not a compelling reason not to pass the resolution at vote. Since "Christianity is bad" has no bearing on "Fascism is bad."

[Catarapania]

Are tradcons fascists?

[Lord Dominator]

Fascinating, how many assumptions you make about my beliefs.

Or that you seem to only believe atrocities of the past are worthy of condemnation - but that people who actively work to commit more are not.

(Oh, good grop I didn’t realize you apparently believe that the nazis were all about bringing old religions back or why others might think they’re bad)

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Fascism is literally reliant on Hegelian dialectics in its most intellectually rigorous and elevated iterations. Not to mention that nationalism largely emerged as a captivating political force with the French Revolution."]

So in some weird way, you admit that Fascism is an atheist ideology, which it was since Mussolini was an atheist as well. All this race thing was politics for him/

There is your self defence mechanism. Instead of a good debate, you bring in all this and completely derail the point by bringing in playing the victim. So the whole point is lost and all who question the existing order is racist scum. I must say, your masters created a great mechanism. Screwed if you defend, screwed if you dont/

[Fahran]

Are tradcons fascists?

We're literally not.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Fascinating, how many assumptions you make about my beliefs.

Or that you seem to only believe atrocities of the past are worthy of condemnation - but that people who actively work to commit more are not.

(Oh, good grop I didn’t realize you apparently believe that the nazis were all about bringing old religions back or why others might think they’re bad)

Even if I make you go at that time through some time machine and make you see the ground realities you will say "nazis bad allies goood" as you have been programmed to do that since you were born so no point taking further

And yes, people like Himmler, Heydrich etc were absolutely trash and it is a good thing they were killed off like rats (Himmler was a coward and no he didnt commit suicide but was killed off so that he does not shoot off its mouth on the "negotiations" he was having with Churchill and Roosevelt himself) but without seeing the full picture, I personally would not comment on anything.

[Fahran]

There is your self defence mechanism. Instead of a good debate, you bring in all this and completely derail the point by bringing in playing the victim. So the whole point is lost and all who question the existing order is racist scum. I must say, your masters created a great mechanism. Screwed if you defend, screwed if you dont/

Not at all. But most people who credibly question the existing order, as I have done not infrequently, do not talk about a class of bankers who wield authority over nations. If you aren't a fascist and weren't referencing Jewish people via a dog-whistle, we can certainly engage, though I would strongly recommend not channeling Oswald Mosley.

[Lord Dominator]

Fascinating, how many assumptions you make about my beliefs.

Or that you seem to only believe atrocities of the past are worthy of condemnation - but that people who actively work to commit more are not.

(Oh, good grop I didn’t realize you apparently believe that the nazis were all about bringing old religions back or why others might think they’re bad)

Even if I make you go at that time through some time machine and make you see the ground realities you will say "nazis bad allies goood" as you have been programmed to do that since you were born so no point taking further

Indeed, since you’ve pretty clearly indicated which side you think was right, and that helpfully tells everyone else why they can freely ignore you.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

You want to see mass genocide? Forget the fascists, go back in time and see what the did to canaanites, and "pagans" which christians derisively use against those who fought rather than convert.

If you would like to author a resolution targeting Christianity or Judaism, we can absolutely discuss why this assessment is exceedingly flawed and rooted in deeply held prejudices and deliberate historical misunderstandings, but, again, this argument, namely "Christianity is bad", is not a compelling reason not to pass the resolution at vote. Since "Christianity is bad" has no bearing on "Fascism is bad."

I am saying all of us are bad, forget the fascists, check holodomor, and other similar things done by angels of allies. In this world, people hero worship them, but in the spirit world, same pay the consequence. In their next birth, Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin are all slaves in Africa abused in horrific ways by their owners. Dont for a second think that those who are heroes have no consequences to pay after they die.

[Fahran]

And yes, people like Himmler, Heydrich etc were absolutely trash and it is a good thing they were killed off like rats (Himmler was a coward and no he didnt commit suicide but was killed off so that he does not shoot off its mouth on the "negotiations" he was having with Churchill and Roosevelt himself) but without seeing the full picture, I personally would not comment on anything.

Were Hitler, Eichmann, and Mussolini trash as well?

[Fahran]

I am saying all of us are bad, forget the fascists, check holodomor, and other similar things done by angels of allies.

Stalin is absolutely on par with Hitler when it comes to mass murder. I don't think most other people really measure up. That said, if you have more than a passing familiarity with NS's former fascist communities, you'll have observed that many of them are partial to ethnic slurs and Holocaust denial. Most non-fascist NS regions don't do that. In fact, I suspect if our fascists were all Gentileans or simply didn't engage in chronic racism Max would not have taken the step he took and this resolution would not have anywhere near as much support.

In this world, people hero worship them, but in the spirit world, same pay the consequence. In their next birth, Churchill, Roosevelt, Stalin are all slaves in Africa abused in horrific ways by their owners. Dont for a second think that those who are heroes have no consequences to pay after they die.

I'm sorry... What?

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Even if I make you go at that time through some time machine and make you see the ground realities you will say "nazis bad allies goood" as you have been programmed to do that since you were born so no point taking further

Indeed, since you’ve pretty clearly indicated which side you think was right, and that helpfully tells everyone else why they can freely ignore you.

Stop with the guesswork, you are not good at it. I am saying all were wrong and all were monsters. You are not aware of the realities back then but some of us have the means to gauge what happened. Since you are so in love with them, please go through all of roosevelts fireside chats before and during the war. However. since you have been programmed from the early ages, I wont dwell further since it is pointless, but never think for a second that only fascists were bad, you all are equally if not more bad for this world. Although I doubt anything will change and the blood is corrupted.

[Aedyrn]

1. You missed the part about “through force” so your addition is a mere synonym.
2. None of the ideologies you’ve provided make it an inherent goal to generally oppress much of the population (usually leading to genocide) - all the ones you’ve helpfully listed have atrocities as something of a failure condition, not a goal.

No, and this isn’t DnD, nor are we playing pretend about the dangers of fascists.

1. It was implied, as it is a forceful thing according to the resolution at vote.
2. Didn't think I'd have to argue for this, but then the same thing applies to fascism. Only merely atrocities happened due to failure conditions, and it was not a goal. Simply though, if the destruction of someone isn't your goal, then don't go to war. To blow it off as simply saying, atrocities happen in war and then shrug is something I can do too. Either recognize the dangerous parts in everything or nothing is dangerous.

Also thanks chief, the name Nation States totally threw me off thinking this could have possibly been DnD. But I do prefer to have fun and create a fake nation through imagination. Plus the dangers of fascists exist at the extremist angle, same as with any other. The dangers of fascism hasn't been seen for almost a hundred years, I've seen the dangers of communism more being born in one of those nations irl and being close to three score and 5 years ago. I've had family experience it. It was less destructive during the period before it collapsed in on itself, but more so during its rise. Do these appeals mean anything? Possibly not since it's not against fascism outright.

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Asserting that democracy is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Ah, yes, this totally checks out.

I'm glad we can both democratically agree on the same point.
Then again voting to give rights to some class, race, or gender can be taken oppositely towards voting to remove those rights. A democracy can vote on bad, wrong, and evil policies to hurt people and still call itself a democracy.

[Lord Dominator]

Indeed, since you’ve pretty clearly indicated which side you think was right, and that helpfully tells everyone else why they can freely ignore you.

Stop with the guesswork, you are not good at it. I am saying all were wrong and all were monsters. You are not aware of the realities back then but some of us have the means to gauge what happened. Since you are so in love with them, please go through all of roosevelts fireside chats before and during the war. However. since you have been programmed from the early ages, I wont dwell further since it is pointless, but never think for a second that only fascists were bad, you all are equally if not more bad for this world. Although I doubt anything will change and the blood is corrupted.

For all you accuse me of being bad at guesswork on your beliefs, you really are no better when it comes to mine (what happened to not talking to me, incidentally)

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Yet, allies called him uncle joe during the war... hmmmm, suddenly during war year, Stalin became a god....

Those who pass ethnic slurs are retards... morons of the highest order who themselves have been corrupted... I will not be surprised if your governments support them discreetly. They do not represent anyone or anything.

Hitler was an incompetent person who could not look into what Himmler was up to and had no control over major players of Germany, except some sections of the army, where he failed as well. I will leave it at that.

I'm sorry... What?

Something related to eastern ideology. I am not sure you will get it if you dont understand karma. Not trying to be arrogant or rude so sorry if I offended you

[Lord Dominator]

2. Didn't think I'd have to argue for this, but then the same thing applies to fascism. Only merely atrocities happened due to failure conditions, and it was not a goal. Simply though, if the destruction of someone isn't your goal, then don't go to war. To blow it off as simply saying, atrocities happen in war and then shrug is something I can do too. Either recognize the dangerous parts in everything or nothing is dangerous.[\quote]
A pretty healthy majority of fascists promote their ideology because they want to kill or oppress large groups of the other. That makes it the goal, not a failure for them when it happens.

Plus the dangers of fascists exist at the extremist angle, same as with any other.

No, because fascists are inherently extremists.

The dangers of fascism hasn't been seen for almost a hundred years

I’ve seen several instances of their danger in the last few.

[Pre-Christian Persecuted People]

Were Hitler, Eichmann, and Mussolini trash as well?

Hitler was incompetent because of which his reich died.

Eichmann was like some mad scientists similar to those americans who infected some guys with syphilis, used by the allies and when his use was no more, allowed to get captured.

And Mussolini, a complete moron and incompetent to boot. If the leader of National Socialist Germany was a bit more pragmatic rather than emotional or idealist, they would have abandoned him a long time back. Plus, he was not loyal to his own ideology.

[Elwher]

First, defining a fascist region as one that promotes or allows fascist countries, and condemning fascism as an unacceptable belief; both without ever defining fascism is intellectually lazy and makes it impossible for Elwher to support this resolution.

Second, while opposed to fascism or any other ideology that centralizes power, we acknowledge that other countries have different traditions and values and do not see the imposition of ours on them as any more acceptable than their imposing their values on us.

Therefore, Elwher stands completely opposed to this resolution.

[Wallenburg]

I really don't get the concern that fascism isn't defined. Any definition short enough to fit in this proposal would be criticized by this or that camp (especially fascists themselves) for not being the "real" definition of fascism, not least of all because fascism is an incoherent ideology based on hatred and fear instead of rational discourse or philosophy.

[Sedgistan]

This is the Security Council forum, for discussing the at-vote proposal "Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action".

This is NOT the General forum, which is where you can discuss RL politics and history.

Reminders were given earlier in this thread, and those who ignored those were punished.

Pre-Christian Persecuted People - *** warned for persistent threadjacking *** for pretty much every post of yours in this thread. If your record were not otherwise clean, you would have received a forumban.

Fahran - you're treading close to the line too, especially with posts such as this.

Everyone - remember which forum this is in, please. Take your debates on "which dictator killed more" to General.