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by Oreion » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:50 pm
by The Winter Sun » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:55 pm
by Laka Strolistandiler » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:27 pm
The Winter Sun wrote:Would this proposal harm people playing fascist nations in-game? If so, I refuse to support it.
I reserve the right to /stillme any one-liners if my post is at least two lines long
by The Winter Sun » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:29 pm
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:09 am
Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by The Winter Sun » Wed Jul 14, 2021 12:12 am
by Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts » Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:56 am
The Winter Sun wrote:Ah, I see. So it doesn't have an actual effect. In that case I don't see why I wouldnt support it.
by Thassala » Wed Jul 14, 2021 2:29 am
by Cruzes Unidas de Frioborsarmarto » Wed Jul 14, 2021 3:53 am
Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.
by Bhang Bhang Duc » Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:04 am
Cruzes Unidas de Frioborsarmarto wrote:Oreion wrote:There is a large issue with this in the sense that it suspends some human rights, while it is for a good cause does that dictate suspending human rights such as speech. And the amount of aggression in it is way too high, it seems rather authoritarian-like to me which is the exact thing we are trying not to be where it is essentially forcing nations to oppress fascists of which authoritarian governments often do to some minorities. It seems rather counter productive.
The project lacks definition for fascism and its contents.
This lack of definition makes anyone considered fascism under persecution.
In other words, this law gives no civil-rights for people, neither helps it's compliance.
Instead, this law allows World Assembly persecuting people.
Pierconium wrote:I see Funk as an opportunistic manipulator that utilises the means available to him to reach his goals. In other words, a nation after my own heart.
RiderSyl wrote:If an enchantress made it so one raid could bring about world peace, Unibot would ask raiders to just sign a petition instead.
Sedgistan wrote:The SC has just has a spate of really shitty ones recently from Northumbria, his Watermelon fanboy…..
by Religious Lennox » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:01 am
by Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:49 am
Askos wrote:Ironic that this resolution would like us to help end oppression by using oppression.
by Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:50 am
Amorosa-Coonarra Coasts wrote:It's only theoretical
by Laka Strolistandiler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 9:54 am
Fahran wrote:Askos wrote:Ironic that this resolution would like us to help end oppression by using oppression.
"Do we not employ oppression internally to prevent murder, my honorable colleague?" a weary voice asked, "This seems like a fair enough measure given what fascist nations often impose on their citizens." Aziza Hakimi squinted at the delegate from Askos, clearly irate at having to attend to such silly proceedings and humor such silly arguments. Then she promptly began to snore, her face more obscured by her hijab than was, strictly speaking, appropriate or necessary.
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by Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:06 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:Often, but not always, ambassador. Some nations, while adhering to far right ways do not use the more traditional “far right measures”, wish Laka being a good example of this. Then again why should we suffer simply because of our ways?- asks Obraztsova, looking somewhat wounded and for whatever t(e hell reason spotting a medical eyepatch.
by Laka Strolistandiler » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:10 am
Fahran wrote:"It strikes me as simple enough to avoid the label then, ambassador," Aziza yawned grumpily, refusing to emerge from her comfy cocoon. "You're not a fascist," she quipped, "You're quirky. Then again, I suppose that brings us back to how vacuous this resolution really is in the absence of a definition... It's more a bit of signalling than anything else."
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by Fahran » Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:13 am
Laka Strolistandiler wrote:As if that was this easy… People call us fascists because of our values, and behave as if our ways and deeds completely come from them with nothing more influencing it. If I’d get a nickel every time people think that we mass execute our own citizens and do other horrifying things, I wouldn’t have to stand here…
by Marsadia » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:08 pm
by Great Lakes Municipalities » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:21 pm
by Poskukune » Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:31 pm
by Croanique » Thu Jul 15, 2021 10:27 am
by Snow And Ice Caps » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:10 pm
Cormactopia Prime wrote:Advancement of Anti-Fascist Action
A resolution to express a position on international affairs.
Category: Declaration | Proposed by: Cormactopia Prime
The Security Council:
Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a fascist region as any region that identifies as fascist or engages in the promotion of fascism, or willfully harbors fascist residents and permits them to promote fascism within the region or abroad;
Asserting that fascism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;
Maintaining that fascist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;
Praising prior interregional efforts to combat fascism, notably including multi-regional Antifa military operations and the Civil Defence Siren's outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in fascist regions;
Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of fascism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various fascist regions;
Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-fascist action throughout the world:
Article I. Regional ParticipationArticle II. Diplomatic Sanctions
- No region should grant safe haven to fascist residents.
- Any resident or member discovered to be fascist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.
- Should a region be unable to expel a fascist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of fascist ideology.
Article III. Military Intervention
- No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a fascist region.
- No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a fascist nation or region.
- No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a fascist nation or any nation residing in a fascist region, sponsored by a fascist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of fascism.
- Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against fascist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.
Article IV. Interregional Cooperation
- Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against fascist military aggression, and for military interventions against fascist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.
- To the extent practicable, military intervention against a fascist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for fascists or a platform for the promotion of fascism.
- No region should provide military assistance to a fascist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a fascist region against military intervention, or permit a fascist region to assist in its military operations.
- To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to fascist regions are equally applicable to fascist interregional and non-regional organizations.
- Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.
I'm not in a rush here because this is a continuation of nine and a half years of opposing fascism in this game, and not at all a badge hunt. I do think it would be a fantastic statement if this is the first declaration the Security Council ever passes, but if it needs more time to get it right, that's more important.
Suggestions are welcome!
by Greater Cesnica » Thu Jul 15, 2021 8:12 pm
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