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Bhang Bhang Duc
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Bhang Bhang Duc » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:41 am

Vargstad wrote:It's a travesty, a poorly written law that shouldnt have been approved in the first place, it's a shame for this entablishment and an embarassement for the nation that blindly approve everything under the pretext of "antifascism". Shame on you

Hanovereich wrote:“We fully support this proposal, but does this ban fascism or discourage it?”

id say it even encourages fascism, allow them to play the role of victims

It’s not a law, it’s an expression of opinion as Sedge explained here.

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Postby Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:56 am

I wonder, who defines what 'fascism' is? It defines a fascist region (as a region that identifies itself as fascist), but anybody can say 'Oh, my region isn't fascist!'
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Postby Eagles-Nest » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:08 am

Fascism was defined as any fascist who acts fascist in a fascist region for fascist reasons. YOU CANNOT DEFINE ANY WORD BY USING THAT WORD MULTIPLE TIMES IN A SENTENCE. Anyone at all could be called this undefined word that you call facist and banned from all regions of the game. I VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Osirisian Star Empire
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Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:30 am

This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:41 am

Marxist Germany wrote:That is exactly the problem with this proposal; it promotes a practice that is nothing more than ideological warfare, and clearly takes the leftist side of the issue.

Antifascism is a strictly leftist concern?
Osirisian Star Empire wrote:This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

Wut?
Eagles-Nest wrote:Fascism was defined as any fascist who acts fascist in a fascist region for fascist reasons. YOU CANNOT DEFINE ANY WORD BY USING THAT WORD MULTIPLE TIMES IN A SENTENCE. Anyone at all could be called this undefined word that you call facist and banned from all regions of the game. I VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your inability to parse the intended meaning of the sentence (that a fascist region is one that willfully contains fascists) is not an actual argument against.

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Postby Great Algerstonia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:51 am

Against. No author should be shunned from writing in the World Assembly.
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Hanovereich
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Ex-Nation

Postby Hanovereich » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:53 am

I still reserve my concerns on the definition of fascism, and the fact that regions decide what they identify as.

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Postby The King Isle » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:54 am

The King isle supports this
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Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:57 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Marxist Germany wrote:That is exactly the problem with this proposal; it promotes a practice that is nothing more than ideological warfare, and clearly takes the leftist side of the issue.

Antifascism is a strictly leftist concern?
Osirisian Star Empire wrote:This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

Wut?
Eagles-Nest wrote:Fascism was defined as any fascist who acts fascist in a fascist region for fascist reasons. YOU CANNOT DEFINE ANY WORD BY USING THAT WORD MULTIPLE TIMES IN A SENTENCE. Anyone at all could be called this undefined word that you call facist and banned from all regions of the game. I VOTE NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your inability to parse the intended meaning of the sentence (that a fascist region is one that willfully contains fascists) is not an actual argument against.


Anti-Fascism in inherently leftist.

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 am

Marxist Germany wrote:OOC: Nowhere in this thread did I say that I supported fascism. My stance is against raiding in all of its forms, when done against non-raider regions.

Sure. That's why.
That is exactly the problem with this proposal; it promotes a practice that is nothing more than ideological warfare, and clearly takes the leftist side of the issue.

Good.
Vargstad wrote:id say it even encourages fascism, allow them to play the role of victims

Fascists play the victim at all times, so I don't see how this could change that.
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Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 8:58 am

Hanovereich wrote:I wonder, who defines what 'fascism' is? It defines a fascist region (as a region that identifies itself as fascist), but anybody can say 'Oh, my region isn't fascist!'



The Communist and Democratic blocs will declare anyone fascist they do not agree with.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:25 am

Osirisian Star Empire wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Antifascism is a strictly leftist concern?

Wut?

Your inability to parse the intended meaning of the sentence (that a fascist region is one that willfully contains fascists) is not an actual argument against.


Anti-Fascism in inherently leftist.

Balderdash, there’s plenty of historical basis for right-wing opposition, past and present.

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Psychotic Dictatorship

Postby Greater-Bharat » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:36 am

Osirisian Star Empire wrote:This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

You waited this long?

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Postby Emazia » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:43 am

As someone who has lived in a country ravaged by the occupation of fascism in the past, and is probably as far from fascist as you can get, I must admit that it gives me no pleasure to oppose a proposal that opposes fascism, but regardless I must do so. I do not declare this out of an inflation of self-importance nor narcissism, but in the hope that I can change at least a few of your votes and inspire you to share this post and maybe swing a few more.

We must simply work in the microcosm that we can influence, no matter how small it is nor how little we can influence it.

Therefore, I will now outline my main reason for voting against this. Let me be clear I have no issue with most of it, first of all, as to not cloud my overall opinion on this.

It is that this declaration has no opinion for fascism. One would think that the most basic criterion for a proposal, especially something so strongly worded (rightfully so) and reliant on this one word, that is, to define its subject, would be fulfilled.

And yet it is not here. Do you know what makes that proposal, plain and simple? A call to rouse the emotions. It does not target action at any specific group, merely a nebulously-defined 'fascists.'

It is nothing less than a grandstanding speech, a declaration against 'bad things.' Against what which you do not like. And while I would not go so far as to say that this declaration will be abused as much as the authoritarian states here declare, I still think there is potential for abuse - take the oft-repeated right-wing lie that socialism and communism are inherently linked with fascism and share the same ideals, or even dispute that there is abuse in a certain area - take the claims that Trump is a fascist, a highly debated assertion on both sides of the aisle.

This resolution stands for nothing and means nothing. I am opposed to that for that very reason. It is simply here to stoke emotion and let us know that fascism is bad. And while I may cause controversy here by saying this, I will say that to condemn fascism like this without nuance is to ignore the more sheathed forms of racism, militarism and homophobia, or simply enables fascism by giving it a voice. I am not here to start a political debate, merely to debate the fact that there is no definition in this declaration, but all I will say is that there are states that exist in this world that actively back torture, bomb hospitals full of innocents and wage a racist war against their own people to use as slave labour and yet are not condemned simply because their ideas are mainstream.

Terror cloaked in the flag of freedom is the right hand of fascism, but as I said here I'm not here to start a political debate... ;)

All I'll say is that condemning 'fascism' is a good start, giving it a definition is an even better start and condemning all other ideologies that promote violence against the oppressed is a very good finish.
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Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:49 am

Lord Dominator wrote:
Osirisian Star Empire wrote:
Anti-Fascism in inherently leftist.

Balderdash, there’s plenty of historical basis for right-wing opposition, past and present.


You mean so called "neo-liberals" stooges of international bankers? Or Conservatives who conserve nothing? Oh right. Bunch of LARPers. Most of today's so-called right wing falls into the classical liberal spectrum, a leftist ideology originated from the Enlightenment. So not even close to being right-wing. Merely token opposition.

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Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:50 am

Greater-Bharat wrote:
Osirisian Star Empire wrote:This nothing more than a world assembly attack on ideologies they do not agree with. This is a blatant Stalinist takeover. I call on all non-Democratic states o withdraw from the world assembly if this passes. [region-tag=][/region-tag]

You waited this long?


Had IRL stuff to do. Don't take this too serious.

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Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:19 am

Osirisian Star Empire wrote:
Lord Dominator wrote:Balderdash, there’s plenty of historical basis for right-wing opposition, past and present.


You mean so called "neo-liberals" stooges of international bankers? Or Conservatives who conserve nothing? Oh right. Bunch of LARPers. Most of today's so-called right wing falls into the classical liberal spectrum, a leftist ideology originated from the Enlightenment. So not even close to being right-wing. Merely token opposition.

What? Token opposition to what?

Or are you asserting that fascists are the only truly right-wing group left, if everything else is some kind of leftist stooge?

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Postby Pre-Christian Persecuted People » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:21 am

This opinion or law or whatever it is, they act the same way people accuse Fascists of. Persecuting the ideology, banning them, killing them off etc... It seems the ones who drafted this and the ones supporting this overlooked history. Their ancestors have done much worse then the fascists ever have. Our nation will never support such hypocritical opinions and will encourage all these persecuted people in our country. That way, you can get rid of them, and they will still live. That is what most want isnt it? Ours is the land of persecuted people and any persecuted person following the old path is welcome to take shelter against monsters!

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:23 am

Osirisian Star Empire wrote:You mean so called "neo-liberals" stooges of international bankers?

Just say "Jews", it helps to clear up the real reason for your opposition.
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Corrupt Dictatorship

Postby Aedyrn » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:25 am

Howdy all,

Let's take a moment to appreciate the well written format of this advancement. And in turn let's take a look at the same thing turned towards other named political entities. Or to be more precise flavours of ice-cream to suit your taste. All flavours which seem to fit so well and equally under the same pretense as all things have been done under each banner. Yet, each flavour can be despised by one person, can be loved by another.

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Strawberry flavoured ice-cream:
The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a communist region as any region that identifies as communist or engages in the promotion of communism, or willfully harbors communist residents and permits them to promote communism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that communism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that communist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat communism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in communist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of communism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various communist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-communist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to communist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be communist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a communist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of communist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a communist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a communist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a communist nation or any nation residing in a communist region, sponsored by a communist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of communism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against communist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against communist military aggression, and for military interventions against communist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a communist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for communists or a platform for the promotion of communism.

No region should provide military assistance to a communist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a communist region against military intervention, or permit a communist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to communist regions are equally applicable to communist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.


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Blueberry flavoured ice-cream:
The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a capitalist region as any region that identifies as capitalist or engages in the promotion of capitalism, or willfully harbors capitalist residents and permits them to promote capitalism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that capitalism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that capitalist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat capitalism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in capitalist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of capitalism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various capitalist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-capitalist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to capitalist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be capitalist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a capitalist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of capitalist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a capitalist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a capitalist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a capitalist nation or any nation residing in a capitalist region, sponsored by a capitalist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of capitalism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against capitalist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against capitalist military aggression, and for military interventions against capitalist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a capitalist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for capitalists or a platform for the promotion of capitalism.

No region should provide military assistance to a capitalist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a capitalist region against military intervention, or permit a capitalist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to capitalist regions are equally applicable to capitalist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.


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Mint flavoured ice-cream:
The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a democratic region as any region that identifies as democratic or engages in the promotion of democracy, or willfully harbors democratic residents and permits them to promote democracy within the region or abroad;

Asserting that democracy is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that democratic regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat democracy, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in democratic regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of democracy, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various democratic regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-democratic action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to democratic residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be democratic should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a democratic resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of democratic ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a democratic region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a democratic nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a democratic nation or any nation residing in a democratic region, sponsored by a democratic region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of democracy.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against democratic regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against democratic military aggression, and for military interventions against democratic regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a democratic region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for democracies or a platform for the promotion of democracy.

No region should provide military assistance to a democratic region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a democratic region against military intervention, or permit a democratic region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to democratic regions are equally applicable to democratic interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.


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Rocky-road flavoured ice-cream:
The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a authoritarian region as any region that identifies as authoritarian or engages in the promotion of authoritarianism, or willfully harbors authoritarian residents and permits them to promote authoritarianism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that authoritarianism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that authoritarian regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat authoritarianism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in authoritarian regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of authoritarianism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various authoritarian regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-authoritarian action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to authoritarian residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be authoritarian should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a authoritarian resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of authoritarian ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a authoritarian region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a authoritarian nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a authoritarian nation or any nation residing in a authoritarian region, sponsored by a authoritarian region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of authoritarianism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against authoritarian regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against authoritarian military aggression, and for military interventions against authoritarian regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a authoritarian region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for authoritarians or a platform for the promotion of authoritarianism.

No region should provide military assistance to a authoritarian region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a authoritarian region against military intervention, or permit a authoritarian region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to authoritarian regions are equally applicable to authoritarian interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.


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Liquorice flavoured ice-cream:
The Security Council:

Defining, for the purposes of this resolution, a anarchist region as any region that identifies as anarchist or engages in the promotion of anarchism, or willfully harbors anarchist residents and permits them to promote anarchism within the region or abroad;

Asserting that anarchism is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Maintaining that anarchist regions pose a universal and grave threat to the Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill;

Praising prior interregional efforts to combat anarchism, notably including multi-regional [Insert terrorist/freedom fighter group here] military operations and the [Insert region here]'s outreach initiative regarding the dangers of residing in anarchist regions;

Reaffirming the World Assembly's commitment to opposing the spread of anarchism, as expressed in numerous resolutions previously passed by the Security Council to impose sanctions against various anarchist regions;

Hereby declares the following guidelines to advance anti-anarchist action throughout the world:

Article I. Regional Participation

No region should grant safe haven to anarchist residents.

Any resident or member discovered to be anarchist should be expelled from a region and barred from its communication infrastructure immediately upon discovery.

Should a region be unable to expel a anarchist resident, the region should take all reasonable action to suppress that resident's use of regional communication infrastructure, taking special care to suppress promotion of anarchist ideology.

Article II. Diplomatic Sanctions

No region should maintain diplomatic or cultural relations of any kind with a anarchist region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal that would directly and primarily benefit a anarchist nation or region.

No World Assembly Delegate should approve or vote for any World Assembly proposal submitted by a anarchist nation or any nation residing in a anarchist region, sponsored by a anarchist region, or otherwise corrupted by the tenets of anarchism.

Every World Assembly Delegate is encouraged to approve and vote for Security Council proposals to impose sanctions against anarchist regions, provided such proposals do not grant disproportionate attention to the region in question.

Article III. Military Intervention

Regions are exhorted to participate in ad hoc or standing military coalitions for the defense of other regions against anarchist military aggression, and for military interventions against anarchist regions, putting aside disagreements or conflicts between participating regions.

To the extent practicable, military intervention against a anarchist region should endeavor to place the region permanently under the control of coalition forces to prevent the region from ever again serving as safe haven for anarchists or a platform for the promotion of anarchism.

No region should provide military assistance to a anarchist region in its invasion of another region, provide defense to a anarchist region against military intervention, or permit a anarchist region to assist in its military operations.

Article IV. Interregional Cooperation

To the extent applicable, interregional and non-regional organizations should adhere to the guidelines for regions declared by this resolution, and the guidelines herein applied to anarchist regions are equally applicable to anarchist interregional and non-regional organizations.

Regions and organizations are urged to impose proportionate diplomatic, military, or other sanctions against regions and organizations that willfully disregard these guidelines.



To the point: Just because one nation claims they haven't done something so horrid using whatever political affiliation they claim to be, another can claim they've taken that political affiliation and done it. You want to ban one, ban them all. Make the World Assembly non-aligned with anything, no extremism of any faction, no extortionists, no people waging war because they think they're 'good guys' or 'heroes' and destroying the nations of another region over the way they govern, and hurting and killing millions of civilians and their livelihoods simply due to an affiliation and love for their country and nation. Make the World Assembly exclusively bureaucratic without any left or right leaning, the simplest of all flavours of ice-cream vanilla. Secondly, if Total War has not been declared between regions or nations they are, and should, treat each other as equals while a part of the World Assembly. A nation that wants to run and promote themselves as any political alignment should not be barred from doing so. Taking it forth to bringing your real-life politics into a game to decide just because something, someone, or some nation is being called fascist that they should be taken down. It's that sort of thinking that creates no-fun zones. I come here to mainly read the silly issues and enjoy the banter, it's something to do on the side for me for fun. Forcing how another region is to be run, or even another nation, goes against a multi-cultural ideal.

To my first sentence in the previous paragraph.
-If you're going to say, "Well I've never done anything like that" Good on you, but taking this and voting yes makes you vote for the destruction and genocide of a people of a nation simply due to their ideological beliefs (Not to mention if you're inclined to bring your real-life into a game, then it'll turn it into a no fun zone).
-If you're going to tell me, "Well communism isn't defined and isn't aligned, and would never kill people" Or something akin to it simply because I mentioned it then you're missing the point and ignoring the others, and only self-serving in defense of one. I could point out the Red revolution where the death of a few million Russians happened. I can point out the Holodomor and the starving and death of 11 million Ukrainians. I can point out Mao and China's starvation and murder of its own people, as well as the genocide of bird populations. If you're going to argue that isn't real communism, then don't apply yourself to this topic or bring about any words or arguments. A child would think its a utopia.
-If you're going to say, "but democracies haven't ever chosen to hurt anyone, that's silly." I can point out the Dresden firebombing as a major atrocity. The constant pitting of middle eastern nations against one another due to democratically choosing to fund and supporting small 'freedom fighter' groups which got screwed over in the end and became terrorists after. I can point out the use of depleted uranium which litters many former battlefields in Iraq and has caused irrefutable damage to generations to come.
-If you're going to say, "Capitalism only raised people up" or something akin to that. I can point out the throwing over of many nations in central America turning them into Banana Republics. The colonizations of other nations for simple profits and exporting and utilizing all their resources for profits. The destabilization of Iran at one point simply to get British Petroleum started through forced regime change that allowed stealing of natural resources. The forces "guarding" the eastern oilfields in Syria simply to steal resources without permission and going over the head of a sovereign nation during a time of strife and war.

The ability to bring up 'fascism' and stomp on it, throws out the idea of a multi-cultural and multi-national safe haven which can accept your idea regardless of your political leaning. And freedom to self-governance should be accepted without dismay and cause of alarm. A nation taking their beliefs OOC and bringing in real-life extremism of any kind that threatens someone (i.e. communist, fascist, etc), should be punished regardless of political leaning. Over the years I've seen similar things such as this constantly pushed and pushed, and talking against something that isn't fascist is frowned upon and will get you ganged up on, and it's tiring to see.

Any one person can take an ideology and skew it towards something bad or good. So if you want to vote yes, then remember it's a yes to the "Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill" through the barrel of a gun.

To bring a side point, have you, the reader, ever played as a Lawful Evil person in a DnD campaign or game but your intention was to bring out a good ending through ruthless and evil means? If not, try it and expand your taste and ability to play as something else. Get your creative juices flowing.

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Lord Dominator
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:26 am

Pre-Christian Persecuted People wrote:This opinion or law or whatever it is, they act the same way people accuse Fascists of. Persecuting the ideology, banning them,

As should be done
killing them off etc...

You seem to be confusing this with rl, and rl life with mass genocide
It seems the ones who drafted this and the ones supporting this overlooked history. Their ancestors have done much worse then the fascists ever have.

Funny enough “but your ancestors” is not in fact a valid reason to oppose dumping on the usually genocidal fash of the present.
Our nation will never support such hypocritical opinions and will encourage all these persecuted people in our country. That way, you can get rid of them, and they will still live. That is what most want isnt it? Ours is the land of persecuted people and any persecuted person following the old path is welcome to take shelter against monsters!

Translation: I think fash are perfectly fine people, and I don’t mind id they run my life :roll:

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Postby Wallenburg » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:30 am

Aedyrn wrote:Asserting that democracy is abhorrent by its very nature and should be granted no safe haven, given its utter contempt for civil rights and fueling of violent oppression based on race, ethnicity, and other immutable characteristics of identity;

Ah, yes, this totally checks out.
While she had no regrets about throwing the lever to douse her husband's mistress in molten gold, Blanche did feel a pang of conscience for the innocent bystanders whose proximity had caused them to suffer gilt by association.

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Lord Dominator
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Capitalist Paradise

Postby Lord Dominator » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:30 am

Aedyrn wrote:Any one person can take an ideology and skew it towards something bad or good. So if you want to vote yes, then remember it's a yes to the "Security Council's mission to spread interregional peace and goodwill" through the barrel of a gun.

1. You missed the part about “through force” so your addition is a mere synonym.
2. None of the ideologies you’ve provided make it an inherent goal to generally oppress much of the population (usually leading to genocide) - all the ones you’ve helpfully listed have atrocities as something of a failure condition, not a goal.

To bring a side point, have you, the reader, ever played as a Lawful Evil person in a DnD campaign or game but your intention was to bring out a good ending through ruthless and evil means? If not, try it and expand your taste and ability to play as something else. Get your creative juices flowing.

No, and this isn’t DnD, nor are we playing pretend about the dangers of fascists.

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Osirisian Star Empire
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Ex-Nation

Postby Osirisian Star Empire » Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:34 am

Wallenburg wrote:
Osirisian Star Empire wrote:You mean so called "neo-liberals" stooges of international bankers?

Just say "Jews", it helps to clear up the real reason for your opposition.


You kidding me? Low tier-bait. Neo-liberals are in power from Beijing boardrooms to New York Skyscrapers. Trying to conflate this as muh jews is stupid and uneducated. Most neo-liberals are just from wealthy elite families with ties to major corporations.

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