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Sincluda
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Postby Sincluda » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:30 am

Fachumonn wrote:
Texkentuck wrote:Bans all forms of factory farming, and
Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Does this proposal completely bans farming and ranching?


Yep, Pretty much. This is why a lot of people are voting against it.

“It literally does not. Please read what the proposal defines as factory farming.”
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Postby Fachumonn » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:36 am

Oh yeah. Sorry. Misread the question. Does not completely ban farming and ranching it says "Bans all factory farming" and gives member's 2 years to comply. It defines factory farming as "as an industrialized system of producing commodities from farm animals characterized by one or more of the following aspects: keeping farm animals in unhygienic or crowded spaces where they are unable to exercise their full range of motion, including but not limited to all use of battery cages, except when strictly necessary for the health and/or welfare of said farm animals, or

the routine use of antibiotics or growth hormones on farm animals in attempts to alter their physical characteristics and/or mitigate the consequences of keeping farm animals in unhygienic conditions; where such use is not intended to cure an illness,"

Thought the question was "does this completely ban factory farming?"
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Sincluda
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Postby Sincluda » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:43 am

Fachumonn wrote:Oh yeah. Sorry. Misread the question. Does not completely ban farming and ranching it says "Bans all factory farming" and gives member's 2 years to comply. It defines factory farming as "as an industrialized system of producing commodities from farm animals characterized by one or more of the following aspects: keeping farm animals in unhygienic or crowded spaces where they are unable to exercise their full range of motion, including but not limited to all use of battery cages, except when strictly necessary for the health and/or welfare of said farm animals, or

the routine use of antibiotics or growth hormones on farm animals in attempts to alter their physical characteristics and/or mitigate the consequences of keeping farm animals in unhygienic conditions; where such use is not intended to cure an illness,"

Thought the question was "does this completely ban factory farming?"

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Postby Tinhampton » Sun Aug 01, 2021 9:01 pm

"Factory Farming Ban" was defeated 8,666 votes to 4,000. (31.58% support)

For: 4,000: Amerion (669), Primorye Oblast (230), Thaelle (132), Ruinenlust (119), The Glorious Hypetrain (59), Sylh Alanor (53), Brys questions (45), Dabberwocky (39), Yodle (35), International Socialist Union (32), Karteria (31), Roma Sparta (30), Lamerdon (28), Tostandia (26), Orioni 2 (26), New Legland (24), Sjevre (23), Hulldom (23), Volykos (20), Johanneslanden (19), Fachumonn (19), Calnodia (18), Union Of The Squids (17), J-O-E (15), Greater Cuba (14), Halcyon Nova (12), The Sheika (11), Ko-oren (10), Ecolaria (10), Princess Luna (10), Borrin Quen (9), Santa Thereza (9), The Reich of my People (9), The Voltarum (8), Orca and Narwhal (8), Echidona (8), Golanchia (8), New Scottsville (7), OmegaShenron (7), Norvew (7), Rykkland (7), Orennica (7), The Scottish Republic (7), Hetairaea (6), Lithuanian Ireland (6), Ur-Noxia (6), Libertarian Communist Planets (6), Redorish Reich (6), Ospeia (6), The Soviet state of Svalbard (6), Omniabstracta (6), Vengeance4 (6), East overworld (6), Calamari Lands (5), Republic of Dixie (5), New Delfos (5), Malgax (5), Onionist Randosia (5), Reultan (4), Socruell (4), Auxorii (4), Willtechia (4), Socialist Amogus (4), Angry Saffron (4), Ethwelistan (4), The Islands of Europe and the Americas (3), NORTH TELANGANA (3), Steliar (3), Hax Baba (3), Littjara (3), Republic of Washinton (3), Scorpus (3), Fritzentein (3), Saint Crusaders (3), Chuliu Emperor (3), Gurbangulistan (3), Nekomimea (3), Anathuria (3), Tartaso (3), Greenkeep (3), 11 Templar Knights (3), The Anarchist Federation of Spain (2), Zarnicovia nova (2), Creator Land (2), Saganye (2), New Mauretania (2), FarmerGroot (2), Molopovia (2), Adinesi (2), Cloich Cheann Fhaola (2), Boarder Princes (2), Agife (2), Nisasia (2), Ravenstan (2), Conservativealia (2), The Akasha Colony (2), Shnrubton (2), Swideri (2), Oscines (2), Real Gamers (2), Chartania (2), Zachtia (2), Imperiya Snezhnaya (2), Italian Community (2), Estamonia (2), Sunam (2), The Ancient World (2), Erisure (2), Kinto (2), God the Lord (2), Tarlag (2), Royaume Sans Dieu (2), Misted Lake (2), Greater Eireann (2), Dracolia (2), Merulla (2), Tirnot (2), Islands Of Ventro (2), and (1,865) individual member nations.

Against: 8,666: Francois Isidore (948), The Atlae Isles (550), Dilber (497), Imperium Anglorum (395), Wischland (331), North East Somerset (255), Agalaesia (213), Duby (169), Lesser Velutaria (127), You Should See Me in a Crown (113), TESDAI (111), Brototh (109), ShrewLlamaLand (95), Bearded Dragones (87), Josephtan (65), The Salaxalans (65), Enlais (64), Vancouvia (57), Mikeswill (47), South Boston Irishmen (43), Quinceria (40), Hindu Puri (39), Candensia (38), Paleocacher (34), Queen of the Ruckus (34), Particle (34), Boris Cult (32), Noble Titans (29), Sanctaria (27), NewTexas (24), Logar (23), Jedinsto (23), Castle Federation (21), Suter (20), Rangers of the Grey (20), Tinhampton (19), Bassiliya (18), Oi Barbaroi (17), Baloo Kingdom (15), Ecclestia (15), Almerdonia (14), Yafetistan (14), Sheepiania (14), Cruciland (14), Hajirah (13), Isaris (13), Gatchina (12), Russiania (12), Cavisco (12), Hydroponic Nation (11), Azgoghk (11), Sirian (11), Candanadium (10), Vegaga (10), Zamastan (10), March of Maedhros (10), Seludong (10), Gladys and the drowning fish (10), Conflagration City 5 (10), Axorian (9), Draganisia (9), Federal republic of Socialsts (9), Otaku Stratus (9), Chodean Kal (9), Brocklandia (8), TheRuhr (8), Taki Calxur (8), Lurusitania (8), Martinilinian (7), Lost Village Mayohiga (7), Krovnik (6), Aelythium (6), Pinochet Executionists (6), New Ziah (6), Masonolixia (6), Eastern Carpathian Free States (6), San Lumen (6), Rogue River (6), Imperialist Bonaparte (6), Wobbegong (6), Crimea is Ukraine (6), Al-Haqqar (5), Kustonia (5), Lamoni (5), ColdHeartedBastards (5), The Sovereign Kingdom of Immobilia (5), Tuandle (5), FORKTASTICSTAN (5), Wadelhelpia (5), The Fire Born (4), Barak Khalad (4), Terminum (4), Chairman Cities (4), San Teodoro de Haro (4), New Walaca (4), Chap Ven (4), Andia Calla (4), Novum Orientis (4), Jacobopolus (4), The Luck of Jirachi (4), Smiley Bob (4), Talthesia (4), New Herdon (4), El Varctica (4), Sunixia Catinia (4), Wabacha (4), Coronational Chechyans and affiliates (4), The Palentine (4), Koxor (4), Greater Zhanland (4), Denathor (4), Berlin and Hanover (4), Islae (4), N E A C (3), Marujo (3), Frontier Isles (3), Robotox Empire (3), Talyang (3), Ricau-Legorminas (3), Chiarje (3), Pastries (3), The Neolithic German Empire (3), Deskoslovakia (3), Heromerland (3), IstanbulHasAids (3), Fiadostan (3), Haruhi Japan (3), Madrocea (3), Zhong-guo (3), Dragons of Power (3), Matonis (3), Zombiedolphins (3), Flor-Fina (3), Grand Memeland (3), Suvmia (3), Herby (3), Meliant (3), Dagnia (3), REFORMED FALKLANDS (3), United Corporate States (2), Romulus III (2), Wakanda Reborn (2), The Eurasian SFSR (2), Adeiatic (2), Southeast Marajarbia (2), Oppy Gasai (2), Greater Venova (2), Rokdoverstan (2), Eotheood (2), The Soviet Union Republics (2), Melanocytes (2), Not Comunists (2), Neim (2), Xenohumanity (2), Hakuri (2), Republic of Blank (2), Catboy Ethnostate (2), Msje (2), LeoBelgikus (2), Unified Democratic Europe (2), Dellettia (2), Mallandia (2), Erloane (2), South Olpen (2), Fsdh E (2), Nopengie (2), Raskuissau (2), Hanoten (2), The Pop Punk Union (2), Knootoss (2), Duhhhmurica (2), The Republic of Abe (2), Beazlend (2), Erianu (2), North Texia (2), North Mack (2), The Isles of Bermuda (2), The Hazar Amisnery (2), Molson Iceland (2), Sedgistan (2), United Dependencies (2), Il Osoris (2), CoraSpia (2), Hometania (2), Kaija (2), Whitemore (2), Imperial Felchah (2), United Lammunist Republic (2), New Deathland (2), Vipathe (2), Copristan (2), Serene Peninsular Workers Republic (2), Voneisen (2), Gucklandia (2), Lower Slobbovia (2), Lacmhacarh (2), Vikinstan (2), Santa Monica Order (2), Union of Noovistian (2), and (3,091) individual member nations.
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Postby Axmanlandia » Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:19 am

Sylh Alanor wrote:
Axmanlandia wrote:It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

For someone who has gone so far out of their way to insult the author's experience in real-world farming, you're displaying an incredible lack of knowledge of it yourself. As someone who grew up and spent a large majority of her life on a dairy farm, I can say with absolute certainty that it's pretty easy to avoid "horrible inbreeding".



Sorry I misspoke I meant to say without selective breeding it's impossible to maintain a herd without horrible inbreeding

You see in the original proposal before it was removed the framers of this document were so clueless about farming they were attempting to ban it

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Postby The Python » Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:17 pm

For the record, this will probably be revisited at a later point in time (so not immediately).
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Akabansk
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Postby Akabansk » Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:17 pm

Is factory farm food even quality anyways? :eyebrow:

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Postby Fachumonn » Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:03 pm

Akabansk wrote:Is factory farm food even quality anyways? :eyebrow:

I wouldn't think so.
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Postby Texkentuck » Wed Aug 04, 2021 9:57 pm

gone for now
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Postby Wallenburg » Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:37 pm

Ignoring that your suggestions are really bad, you really shouldn't use redtext. That's a mod tool.
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Postby Godular » Thu Aug 05, 2021 1:27 pm

Texkentuck wrote:
Sincluda wrote:“It literally does not. Please read what the proposal defines as factory farming.”


Next Proposal there must not be misinterpretation- Why not just list specifics such as a ban on portholes on the side of cows or specific regulations that keep livestock safe. This proposal looked like a vast ban on livestock in general.....If this would of passed that would look like chickens wouldn't by law be able to be next to each other in large number hatching eggs....That's goofy....

List to ban Portholes on cows
Technically Portholes don't seem to bother the cow but it is gnarly...


Most of all I think that Zilmax used on cattle should be banned. I think that should be added in the next proposal if we are to look after the well being of cattle. Citizens of Texkentuck like natural meat with taste....

Also add in a ban for the following practices-
Stunning knives – along with captive-bolt guns and electric baths, stunning knives are also used to stun animals.
Electric bath – a tub of water with an electric current flowing through it that is designed to stun poultry prior to slaughter. The birds are shackled upside down and placed in the electric bath. While the animals should be rendered unconscious, the bath system is not foolproof; and many birds are fully conscious throughout the remainder of the slaughter process.
Killing stick – a device used in the slaughtering process to cut the carotid arteries and jugular veins of animals once they have been stunned.
Captive bolt gun – a device used to render large farmed animals, such as cattle and pigs, unconscious by shooting a metal bolt or rod through the animal’s head and into the brain. Unfortunately, the accuracy rate of captive-bolt stuns is not 100 percent.

Next have basic protections for a horse such as prohibiting horses subjected to the cruel practice of soaring from participating in shows, sales, exhibitions, and auctions. Soaring involves the use of chemicals, inhumane hoof trimmings, and other methods meant to force the horse to raise his or her legs high while performing a running walk...


For more on humane care-

A: make sure pigs have a wide stable with pleanty of mud and shade
B: Dogs must have easy access to an air-conditioned facility or a heated facility. Farm dogs must meet the standards of receiving regular
medical care and must have proper vaccines.
C: A horse must have proper medical care and a stable in which the horse is cared for and in the case of an emergency the horse must have
access to air conditioned or heated facility.
D: All WA nations may get pork from non-wa nations but in the realization of their being other types of meat Ban Pork and take the pig off
the list of farm animals. Pigs may be sold as pork upon natural death.
E: All farms with barns must be fitted with a fire sprinkler system and cameras.
F:Chickens must be on a steady diet and no chicken must be in major distress by overcrowding or any type of situaition that causes a
chickens to run franticly in daily farming operations.
G: Nations of high ratings in following the rules of the WA Farm proposal will receive an incentive to opt out of one WA proposal...
H: Governments must give an incentive to farmers who have good farm ratings according to the World Assembly.




If I see a proposal such as this and it passes with incentives I've listed my nation will rejoin the World Assembly.



G: Nations of high ratings in following the rules of the WA Farm proposal will receive an incentive to opt out of one WA proposal...
H: Governments must give an incentive to farmers who have good farm ratings according to the World Assembly.


P.S. is this about farming or oil farming?! Liberal sounding WA stuff-----------
has significant, demonstrably negative environmental effects on wildlife and flora,
Just being honest I have no clue what your talking about :?: .
We don't know if that means people can't walk on land or have herds of animals crossing grass :?: :idea:


Greater Cesnica, I hope you give this proposal another go because I think your definitely are onto making animals more safe and farming better for Gods' creatures. We aren't put here on earth to destroy all in site....I would vote for your proposal if you ban pigs from being farm animals. I like pork but will give it up for dogs and some animals to live in comfort and live....Didn't mean to misinterpret the proposal as a total ban on farming but I think most of what I suggested would be the best way to go. Please go for this proposal again. Texkentuck will give 100% support in talking it up if it looks anything like this...... Thank you..... :clap:


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