[DEFEATED] Factory Farming Ban

[Axmanlandia]

That isn't an argument

That refutes nothing

It's really very simple

We have a strong beef industry with strong ethical practices

But in times of national crisis we relax those standards to a point this bill would consider factory farming

Therefore this bill would prioritize the comfort of cows over the life of people

Please don't just say well you should just agree with me again

It sounds like a child in an argument with a sibling not a debate in this August chamber

Ambassador Tav: I would like to see what your "strong beef industry with strong ethical practices" are. Guessing your delegation's words, it's probably a load of hokum.

The axmanlandiain representative thanks you for once again providing more proof that you cannot answer the question by attempting more subject changing deflection and "what about"ism

It really helps underline that you have no way to refute the statement

This bill prioritizes the COMFORT of COWS over the LIVES. of HUMANS

[Axmanlandia]

That isn't an argument

That refutes nothing

It's really very simple

We have a strong beef industry with strong ethical practices

But in times of national crisis we relax those standards to a point this bill would consider factory farming

Therefore this bill would prioritize the comfort of cows over the life of people

Please don't just say well you should just agree with me again

It sounds like a child in an argument with a sibling not a debate in this August chamber

"Alright, so you're in a crisis. Food is limited. You relax standards to process animals quicker. One of these ways is forcing the animals to eat an obscene amount of food to fatten them faster. Of course, this requires... an obscene amount of food. Which is limited. Factory farming is a waste of resources, unless you're processing skinny cows (which still provide very little)."

Why in that situation sir you revert to a high protein feed made from animal slurry like dead heard animals and animal slurry made from blended male chicks

In the long term it's unsustainable as it can risk encouraging the spread of prion disease like BSE but in the short term (3-6 months) the risk is negligible

(Edited cos I got the last word wrong)

[Axmanlandia]

The axmanlandiain settles into his new walrus size jacuzzi mastering it's powerful jets and temperature settings with the sure and steady hand of a true master of the bubbly tubs

quickly calculating how many interns it would take to properly fill it and filling out the complex government requisition forms he was so very good at

settling in he turned his attention back to the people trying to pretend that they were not trying to make animal farming of all types illegal through an animal rights bill

They even tried to include simple selective breeding to avoid birth defects in the original proposal he chuckled to himself

And they want us to believe they are not just attempting to force an anti choice vegetarian agenda on people through stealth against people's will

How nieve do the think we are he scoffed as he bit down into a traditional axmanlandian beef and cheese baguette (all 100% ethically produced axmanlandian grade A of course)

[Axmanlandia]

That isn't an argument

That refutes nothing

It's really very simple

We have a strong beef industry with strong ethical practices

But in times of national crisis we relax those standards to a point this bill would consider factory farming

Therefore this bill would prioritize the comfort of cows over the life of people

Please don't just say well you should just agree with me again

It sounds like a child in an argument with a sibling not a debate in this August chamber

Ambassador Tav: I would like to see what your "strong beef industry with strong ethical practices" are. Guessing your delegation's words, it's probably a load of hokum.

Well says the axmanlandiain representative idly sucking something containing a high percentage of rum from a coconut crowded with umbrellas pieces of fruit on sticks and a long indoor sparklers

As long as we had a couple of weeks to prepare and you were willing to abide by our laws and respect (though not have to participate) our traditions we would be willing to host a delegation of no more than a dozen observers from half a dozen countries to observe our practices for themselves

Put up or shut up gentleman

Ooc:.come up with characters from your country and a couple of weeks to prepare and Ile run a roleplay lol

[Axmanlandia]

That isn't an argument

That refutes nothing

It's really very simple

We have a strong beef industry with strong ethical practices

But in times of national crisis we relax those standards to a point this bill would consider factory farming

Therefore this bill would prioritize the comfort of cows over the life of people

Please don't just say well you should just agree with me again

It sounds like a child in an argument with a sibling not a debate in this August chamber

Ambassador Tav: I would like to see what your "strong beef industry with strong ethical practices" are. Guessing your delegation's words, it's probably a load of hokum.

The axmanlandiain representative gently swirls an obscenely large gin and tonic and with a look of genuine patriotic Hypno conditioned patriotism on his face continued

And just for your information I know of no other country that mandates abbatoirs must perform all slaughter with tranquilizing drugs instead of mechanical means

With an exception for poultry they get nitos oxide

So that they are basically relaxad to death


The fact that this tends to keep the population sanguine and compliant is just the sad price that we as a country voluntarily accept for the welfare of our much loved bovine dinner/friends

So finishing he is overwhelmed by emotion and has to be soothed and comforted by a pair of bikini and Speedo clad interns in order to regain his composure

[Sincluda]

The axmanlandiain settles into his new walrus size jacuzzi mastering it's powerful jets and temperature settings with the sure and steady hand of a true master of the bubbly tubs

quickly calculating how many interns it would take to properly fill it and filling out the complex government requisition forms he was so very good at

settling in he turned his attention back to the people trying to pretend that they were not trying to make animal farming of all types illegal through an animal rights bill

They even tried to include simple selective breeding to avoid birth defects in the original proposal he chuckled to himself

And they want us to believe they are not just attempting to force an anti choice vegetarian agenda on people through stealth against people's will

How nieve do the think we are he scoffed as he bit down into a traditional axmanlandian beef and cheese baguette (all 100% ethically produced axmanlandian grade A of course)

"Nothing here is pushing a forced vegetarian agenda."

[Araraukar]

"Nothing here is pushing a forced vegetarian agenda."

"One of the authors has said they wouldn't oppose a meat-eating ban, so that might be where they're getting that."

[Sincluda]

"Nothing here is pushing a forced vegetarian agenda."

"One of the authors has said they wouldn't oppose a meat-eating ban, so that might be where they're getting that."

"I see. Still, I doubt that would pass the Assembly. Even if this proposal passes, all that means is you don't get to eat mass-produced meat. To that, I say 'yum!'"

[Ransium]

Axmanlandia, please be aware that the site rules discourage multiple posts in a row as you’ve done here. In the future please try to combine the posts into a single post. Thanks.

Ransium
Game Moderator

[Kurogasa]

"One of the authors has said they wouldn't oppose a meat-eating ban, so that might be where they're getting that."

"I see. Still, I doubt that would pass the Assembly. Even if this proposal passes, all that means is you don't get to eat mass-produced meat. To that, I say 'yum!'"

Doesn't seem like this one will either.

[Sincluda]

"I see. Still, I doubt that would pass the Assembly. Even if this proposal passes, all that means is you don't get to eat mass-produced meat. To that, I say 'yum!'"

Doesn't seem like this one will either.

“So it would seem.”

[Axmanlandia]

"One of the authors has said they wouldn't oppose a meat-eating ban, so that might be where they're getting that."

"I see. Still, I doubt that would pass the Assembly. Even if this proposal passes, all that means is you don't get to eat mass-produced meat. To that, I say 'yum!'"

Because the original proposal attempted to sneak in a proposal to ban selective breeding of livestock

Says the axmanlandian representative luxuriating in the warm perfumed water of his walrus jacuzzi

It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

It shows the intention to sneakily ban the ability of farmers to produce any kind of meat animal at all

And if it was genuinely a lack of knowledge about farming practices then it is such an egregious one that the person making it has no business writing legislation about farming

[Sincluda]

"I see. Still, I doubt that would pass the Assembly. Even if this proposal passes, all that means is you don't get to eat mass-produced meat. To that, I say 'yum!'"

Because the original proposal attempted to sneak in a proposal to ban selective breeding of livestock

Says the axmanlandian representative luxuriating in the warm perfumed water of his walrus jacuzzi

It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

It shows the intention to sneakily ban the ability of farmers to produce any kind of meat animal at all

And if it was genuinely a lack of knowledge about farming practices then it is such an egregious one that the person making it has no business writing legislation about farming

"It's not in the final proposal for the same reasons a meat-product ban wouldn't happen. I don't know why you're concerned about something not in the proposal."

[Axmanlandia]

Because the original proposal attempted to sneak in a proposal to ban selective breeding of livestock

Says the axmanlandian representative luxuriating in the warm perfumed water of his walrus jacuzzi

It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

It shows the intention to sneakily ban the ability of farmers to produce any kind of meat animal at all

And if it was genuinely a lack of knowledge about farming practices then it is such an egregious one that the person making it has no business writing legislation about farming

"It's not in the final proposal for the same reasons a meat-product ban wouldn't happen. I don't know why you're concerned about something not in the proposal."

Because it displays either a dangerous lack of knowledge about agriculture for someone attempting to write agricultural practices for someone attempting to cart legislation governing it

Or more likely that the intention of this legislation is not to make meat production more ethical

But to limit meat production as much as possible by any means necessary

As the representative of a country with a strong beef industry it is my job sir......mnay my duty to show the duplicity with which this legislation has been presented

[Axmanlandia]

Axmanlandia, please be aware that the site rules discourage multiple posts in a row as you’ve done here. In the future please try to combine the posts into a single post. Thanks.

Ransium
Game Moderator

Sorry only just seen this will do your honour and I apologise stand corrected and will do exactly as you suggest in future

[Kurogasa]

Says the axmanlandian representative luxuriating in the warm perfumed water of his walrus jacuzzi

It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

Certainly doesn't surprise me to hear that from the representative of house Harkonnen.

[Sincluda]

"It's not in the final proposal for the same reasons a meat-product ban wouldn't happen. I don't know why you're concerned about something not in the proposal."

Because it displays either a dangerous lack of knowledge about agriculture for someone attempting to write agricultural practices for someone attempting to cart legislation governing it

Or more likely that the intention of this legislation is not to make meat production more ethical

But to limit meat production as much as possible by any means necessary

As the representative of a country with a strong beef industry it is my job sir......mnay my duty to show the duplicity with which this legislation has been presented

"I don't know how it displays a lack of knowledge of agriculture, but you are right that it is limiting meat production. However, that is not an ulterior motive, it is a direct result of outlawing a practice that causes great harm to the environment. It is not like you can't produce meat, and your production shouldn't slow down, since you claim to have an ethical beef industry that only turns to factory farming in times of crisis."

[Axmanlandia]

Because it displays either a dangerous lack of knowledge about agriculture for someone attempting to write agricultural practices for someone attempting to cart legislation governing it

Or more likely that the intention of this legislation is not to make meat production more ethical

But to limit meat production as much as possible by any means necessary

As the representative of a country with a strong beef industry it is my job sir......mnay my duty to show the duplicity with which this legislation has been presented

"I don't know how it displays a lack of knowledge of agriculture, but you are right that it is limiting meat production. However, that is not an ulterior motive, it is a direct result of outlawing a practice that causes great harm to the environment. It is not like you can't produce meat, and your production shouldn't slow down, since you claim to have an ethical beef industry that only turns to factory farming in times of crisis."

Believe me the fact you didn't know that selected breeding to avoid horrific birth defects is essential to the farming of meat animals is a very shocking and grave gap for someone who genuinely believes themselves knowledgeable enough to tell others how they should farm meat animals

Says the axmanlandian representative looking genuinely puzzled

It would be like me proposing legislation about cabbage farming mandating that all cabbage be grown in the dark so they don't get sunburn

I mean call us old fashioned in axmanlandia if you want but we have this tradition whare we don't let people draft legislation that affects people

Unless they can actually prove they know something about the subject at hand

[Sincluda]

"I don't know how it displays a lack of knowledge of agriculture, but you are right that it is limiting meat production. However, that is not an ulterior motive, it is a direct result of outlawing a practice that causes great harm to the environment. It is not like you can't produce meat, and your production shouldn't slow down, since you claim to have an ethical beef industry that only turns to factory farming in times of crisis."

Believe me the fact you didn't know that selected breeding to avoid horrific birth defects is essential to the farming of meat animals is a very shocking and grave gap for someone who genuinely believes themselves knowledgeable enough to tell others how they should farm meat animals

Says the axmanlandian representative looking genuinely puzzled

It would be like me proposing legislation about cabbage farming mandating that all cabbage be grown in the dark so they don't get sunburn

I mean call us old fashioned in axmanlandia if you want but we have this tradition whare we don't let people draft legislation that affects people

Unless they can actually prove they know something about the subject at hand

"I never mentioned selected breeding at all, ambassador. I never claimed to know enough to tell others how to farm. If you believe that you know so much about beef agriculture, then perhaps you should draft a proposal?"

[Axmanlandia]

Believe me the fact you didn't know that selected breeding to avoid horrific birth defects is essential to the farming of meat animals is a very shocking and grave gap for someone who genuinely believes themselves knowledgeable enough to tell others how they should farm meat animals

Says the axmanlandian representative looking genuinely puzzled

It would be like me proposing legislation about cabbage farming mandating that all cabbage be grown in the dark so they don't get sunburn

I mean call us old fashioned in axmanlandia if you want but we have this tradition whare we don't let people draft legislation that affects people

Unless they can actually prove they know something about the subject at hand

"I never mentioned selected breeding at all, ambassador. I never claimed to know enough to tell others how to farm. If you believe that you know so much about beef agriculture, then perhaps you should draft a proposal?"

As the axmanlandian position is that the current rules are perfectly acceptable

Says the axmanlandian representative getting a stress relieving valium gell neck massage

My proposal would consist of a postcard sized missive inviting everyone to the bar for a tipple

First rounds on me last one there is a sky pilot

[Ransium]

Axmanlandia, please be aware that the site rules discourage multiple posts in a row as you’ve done here. In the future please try to combine the posts into a single post. Thanks.

Ransium
Game Moderator

Sorry only just seen this will do your honour and I apologise stand corrected and will do exactly as you suggest in future

But you responded to me with a double post, which is exactly what I was trying to discourage. Please just edit your first post if you need to add more information.

[Sylh Alanor]

It's literally just not possible to run a herd of any kind of farm animals without horrible inbreeding

For someone who has gone so far out of their way to insult the author's experience in real-world farming, you're displaying an incredible lack of knowledge of it yourself. As someone who grew up and spent a large majority of her life on a dairy farm, I can say with absolute certainty that it's pretty easy to avoid "horrible inbreeding".

[Texkentuck]

As a note, while I've created and will be updating the thread, the submitting nation will be The Python.

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Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture

The General Assembly,

Noting that the factory farming of animals is a method often used in agricultural settings to increase efficiency and lower the cost of production,

Resolved that factory farming:

• is almost universally considered cruel and inhumane, as it holds no regard for the welfare of animals, and also profits off of their abuse,
• has significant, demonstrably negative environmental effects on wildlife and flora,
• has been shown to increase the risk of infection and other health dangers to consumers,
• fosters anti-competitive practices and the cartelization of the farming industry, and
• often results in particularly egregious exploitation of laborers and the destruction of small-scale farming livelihoods,

Believing that any monetary cost savings that may be associated with factory farming do not outweigh the costs incurred by wildlife and flora, consumer health, the economy, and the inherent rights of farm animals as sentient beings,

Hereby:

1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
   
   1. "farm animal" as a sentient animal raised in an agricultural environment to produce commodities where said commodity is produced directly by or from said animals, and
   2. "factory farming" as an industrialized system of producing commodities from farm animals characterized by one or more of the following aspects:
      
      1. keeping farm animals in unhygienic or crowded spaces where they are unable to exercise their full range of motion, including but not limited to all use of battery cages, except when strictly necessary for the health and/or welfare of said farm animals, or
      2. the routine use of antibiotics or growth hormones on farm animals in attempts to alter their physical characteristics and/or mitigate the consequences of keeping farm animals in unhygienic conditions; where such use is not intended to cure an illness,
2. Bans all forms of factory farming, and
3. Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Co-authored by Greater Cesnica.

Bans all forms of factory farming, and
Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Does this proposal completely bans farming and ranching?

[Sincluda]

As a note, while I've created and will be updating the thread, the submitting nation will be The Python.

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Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture

The General Assembly,

Noting that the factory farming of animals is a method often used in agricultural settings to increase efficiency and lower the cost of production,

Resolved that factory farming:

• is almost universally considered cruel and inhumane, as it holds no regard for the welfare of animals, and also profits off of their abuse,
• has significant, demonstrably negative environmental effects on wildlife and flora,
• has been shown to increase the risk of infection and other health dangers to consumers,
• fosters anti-competitive practices and the cartelization of the farming industry, and
• often results in particularly egregious exploitation of laborers and the destruction of small-scale farming livelihoods,

Believing that any monetary cost savings that may be associated with factory farming do not outweigh the costs incurred by wildlife and flora, consumer health, the economy, and the inherent rights of farm animals as sentient beings,

Hereby:

1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
   
   1. "farm animal" as a sentient animal raised in an agricultural environment to produce commodities where said commodity is produced directly by or from said animals, and
   2. "factory farming" as an industrialized system of producing commodities from farm animals characterized by one or more of the following aspects:
      
      1. keeping farm animals in unhygienic or crowded spaces where they are unable to exercise their full range of motion, including but not limited to all use of battery cages, except when strictly necessary for the health and/or welfare of said farm animals, or
      2. the routine use of antibiotics or growth hormones on farm animals in attempts to alter their physical characteristics and/or mitigate the consequences of keeping farm animals in unhygienic conditions; where such use is not intended to cure an illness,
2. Bans all forms of factory farming, and
3. Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Co-authored by Greater Cesnica.

Bans all forms of factory farming, and
Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Does this proposal completely bans farming and ranching?

“If you read the proposal, you would see that it defines and bans factory farming.”

[Fachumonn]

As a note, while I've created and will be updating the thread, the submitting nation will be The Python.

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Category: Environmental
Industry Affected: Agriculture

The General Assembly,

Noting that the factory farming of animals is a method often used in agricultural settings to increase efficiency and lower the cost of production,

Resolved that factory farming:

• is almost universally considered cruel and inhumane, as it holds no regard for the welfare of animals, and also profits off of their abuse,
• has significant, demonstrably negative environmental effects on wildlife and flora,
• has been shown to increase the risk of infection and other health dangers to consumers,
• fosters anti-competitive practices and the cartelization of the farming industry, and
• often results in particularly egregious exploitation of laborers and the destruction of small-scale farming livelihoods,

Believing that any monetary cost savings that may be associated with factory farming do not outweigh the costs incurred by wildlife and flora, consumer health, the economy, and the inherent rights of farm animals as sentient beings,

Hereby:

1. Defines for the purposes of this resolution:
   
   1. "farm animal" as a sentient animal raised in an agricultural environment to produce commodities where said commodity is produced directly by or from said animals, and
   2. "factory farming" as an industrialized system of producing commodities from farm animals characterized by one or more of the following aspects:
      
      1. keeping farm animals in unhygienic or crowded spaces where they are unable to exercise their full range of motion, including but not limited to all use of battery cages, except when strictly necessary for the health and/or welfare of said farm animals, or
      2. the routine use of antibiotics or growth hormones on farm animals in attempts to alter their physical characteristics and/or mitigate the consequences of keeping farm animals in unhygienic conditions; where such use is not intended to cure an illness,
2. Bans all forms of factory farming, and
3. Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Co-authored by Greater Cesnica.

Bans all forms of factory farming, and
Gives member-states a period of no more than two years to become fully compliant with this resolution.

Does this proposal completely bans farming and ranching?

Yep, Pretty much. This is why a lot of people are voting against it.