[DEFEATED] Repeal "Protected Working Leave"

[Daarwyrth]

OOC: I don't use the stats for the canon of Daarwyrth, so that is a rather irrelevant point

Ok

OOC: If you are however still considering your vote, may I ask what point leaves you in doubt? I'd love to try to address your concerns

[Illu-chi]

Ok

OOC: If you are however still considering your vote, may I ask what point leaves you in doubt? I'd love to try to address your concerns

"GAR #527 speaks of "a reasonable duration of paid leave" in Clause 2, and creates the possibility for workers to remain on paid leave for disproportionately extended periods of time, because of the imprecise and vague terminology in the list of conditions that it provides."

While I see your point here, if a worker goes on a duration of paid leave that the employer does not agreed with the employer could always fire him for someone else and the fact that it is vague on what is a reasonable duration of paid leave means different businesses and there employees can negotiate on what is reasonable paid leave.

[Daarwyrth]

OOC: If you are however still considering your vote, may I ask what point leaves you in doubt? I'd love to try to address your concerns

"GAR #527 speaks of "a reasonable duration of paid leave" in Clause 2, and creates the possibility for workers to remain on paid leave for disproportionately extended periods of time, because of the imprecise and vague terminology in the list of conditions that it provides."

While I see your point here, if a worker goes on a duration of paid leave that the employer does not agreed with the employer could always fire him for someone else and the fact that it is vague on what is a reasonable duration of paid leave means different businesses and there employees can negotiate on what is reasonable paid leave.

Sadly, that would not be the case. Have a look at Clause 3 of the resolution:

"Forbids employers from discriminating or retaliating against workers for requesting or taking paid leave pursuant to section 2 of this resolution; such retaliation including"

Clause 3b in addition forbids termination of employment, so an employee can't fire someone for requesting an unreasonable duration of paid leave. As any other retaliation is also forbidden, the employer is in essence forced to simply accept the request for paid leave, which because of the wording of Clause 2, namely "a reasonable duration of paid leave to the extent necessary to adequately service any of the following conditions" and "to care for a seriously ill or physically or mentally disabled spouse, child below the age of majority, parent, grandparent, or dependent should they require such care" from Clause 2b, could take up years, if not an entire lifetime. All because of the wording "to adequately service any of the following conditions". As care for someone who can't take care of their basic needs independently is necessary to provide care for them. That which is necessary is implicitly reasonable, and thus according to the text of the resolution the paid leave has to be granted.

[Illu-chi]

Oh, OK. I will vote for then.

[Daarwyrth]

Oh, OK. I will vote for then.

OOC: Glad to hear that I could have helped in relieving your doubt!

[South Boston Irishmen]

The majority of member citizens from United Kingdom are of a mind that we would rather have a document that allows for some flexibility than no document in place at all. Therefore, it is highly likely that as the Delegate, I will be voting against the repeal in the next few days.

[Daarwyrth]

The majority of member citizens from United Kingdom are of a mind that we would rather have a document that allows for some flexibility than no document in place at all. Therefore, it is highly likely that as the Delegate, I will be voting against the repeal in the next few days.

Dame Maria vyn Nysen: "I would like to inform the Delegate of the United Kingdom, as well as its member nations, that there is a replacement proposal waiting to be submitted in the event that GAR #527 is repealed. This replacement proposal is called "Employee Rights", written by our colleagues in the Tinhamptonian delegations, and deals with the subject of 'paid leave' in a much more detailed and precise manner than GAR #527 currently does."

[South Boston Irishmen]

Duly noted. I will inform the members who had been asking.

[Meretica]

"It has been taken to a vote by the Imperial Senate and discussed by the president, Her Majesty the Queen, and the Royal Advisory Board. Due to a lack of details regarding potential replacements to GAR #527 'Protected Working Leave' and the requirements that those replacements would need in order to pass through the General Assembly so that working leave is protected on the international stage, I have been ordered to vote nay on the movement to repeal 527. Should this change, however, I believe sincerely that the Senate, Her Majesty, and the president would all change their minds."

Freedom Williams, Representative of Meretica to the World Assembly and Senator from New Memphis

[Wallenburg]

As a lesson for future repeals, it seems the author would have enjoyed more success if the designated replacement were linked in the OP, given how frequently people are unaware one exists.

[Daarwyrth]

"It has been taken to a vote by the Imperial Senate and discussed by the president, Her Majesty the Queen, and the Royal Advisory Board. Due to a lack of details regarding potential replacements to GAR #527 'Protected Working Leave' and the requirements that those replacements would need in order to pass through the General Assembly so that working leave is protected on the international stage, I have been ordered to vote nay on the movement to repeal 527. Should this change, however, I believe sincerely that the Senate, Her Majesty, and the president would all change their minds."

Freedom Williams, Representative of Meretica to the World Assembly and Senator from New Memphis

Vyn Nysen: "I would like to inform the delegation from Meretica that details surrounding a replacement are, in fact, not unclear. There is currently a proposal draft waiting to be submitted that deals on the topic of 'paid leave' in a much more precise and detailed manner, namely "Employee Rights" by the delegation from Tinhampton."

[South Boston Irishmen]

That may be, but as it stands, the majority of my constituents appear to be vastly against this repeal.

[Daarwyrth]

That may be, but as it stands, the majority of my constituents appear to be vastly against this repeal.

Vyn Nysen: "Have your constituents brought forth arguments as to why they are against a repeal? Our delegation fears that the title alone invokes emotions of fear or anger, that this repeal somehow is meant to reduce the rights of workers, or means to give corporations greater means to exploit workers. Our impression is that many vote 'against', simply because of the optics of the repeal, or I should better say, the falsely perceived optics. However, these are all false accusations and views on the intent of this resolution, as our delegation has been referring to Tinhampton's "Employee Rights" as the replacement for GAR #527 from early on in the drafting process, and throughout the drafting or campaigning process we have not once exhibited the desire or intent to see workers be exploited."

[Meretica]

"Given that the Meretican delegation has been alerted to the existence of a replacement and has read the document thoroughly and discussed its effects, we will be changing our vote to aye on the matter of repealing "Protected Working Leave.""

Freedom Williams, Representative of Meretica to the World Assembly and Senator from New Memphis

[Daarwyrth]

"Given that the Meretican delegation has been alerted to the existence of a replacement and has read the document thoroughly and discussed its effects, we will be changing our vote to aye on the matter of repealing "Protected Working Leave.""

Freedom Williams, Representative of Meretica to the World Assembly and Senator from New Memphis

Vyn Nysen: "Our delegation is grateful for your nation's support, Representative Williams."

[Laka Strolistandiler]

Obraztsova: It’s quite sad that this repeal seems to be failing in vote. I suppose, we’ll have to reside to old ways of dealing with law abusers...

No, not lynching, we’re civilized people!

[South Boston Irishmen]

That may be, but as it stands, the majority of my constituents appear to be vastly against this repeal.

Vyn Nysen: "Have your constituents brought forth arguments as to why they are against a repeal? Our delegation fears that the title alone invokes emotions of fear or anger, that this repeal somehow is meant to reduce the rights of workers, or means to give corporations greater means to exploit workers. Our impression is that many vote 'against', simply because of the optics of the repeal, or I should better say, the falsely perceived optics. However, these are all false accusations and views on the intent of this resolution, as our delegation has been referring to Tinhampton's "Employee Rights" as the replacement for GAR #527 from early on in the drafting process, and throughout the drafting or campaigning process we have not once exhibited the desire or intent to see workers be exploited."

I've discussed the matter with several of my constituents, but the majority have been silent in the ongoing conversation.

[Daarwyrth]

Obraztsova: It’s quite sad that this repeal seems to be failing in vote. I suppose, we’ll have to reside to old ways of dealing with law abusers...

No, not lynching, we’re civilized people!

Vyn Nysen: "It is regrettable, but the voice of the majority has sounded, and our arguments were not convincing enough, as it seems, to persuade the majority of repealing GAR #527 in favour of better, fairer alternatives."

Vyn Nysen: "Have your constituents brought forth arguments as to why they are against a repeal? Our delegation fears that the title alone invokes emotions of fear or anger, that this repeal somehow is meant to reduce the rights of workers, or means to give corporations greater means to exploit workers. Our impression is that many vote 'against', simply because of the optics of the repeal, or I should better say, the falsely perceived optics. However, these are all false accusations and views on the intent of this resolution, as our delegation has been referring to Tinhampton's "Employee Rights" as the replacement for GAR #527 from early on in the drafting process, and throughout the drafting or campaigning process we have not once exhibited the desire or intent to see workers be exploited."

I've discussed the matter with several of my constituents, but the majority have been silent in the ongoing conversation.

Vyn Nysen: "And have those constituents that did speak with you brought forth any argumentation as to why they oppose this repeal? Or is it, as we asserted our assumption earlier, a question of wrongly perceived optics?"

[South Boston Irishmen]

For those who did speak up, it sounded like they had voted against the measure initially, concerned that there wasn't a plan for after the repeal. Once I informed them that there was a plan and linked them to the draft, they acknowledged my post, but I do not know if their vote was changed.

[Daarwyrth]

For those who did speak up, it sounded like they had voted against the measure initially, concerned that there wasn't a plan for after the repeal. Once I informed them that there was a plan and linked them to the draft, they acknowledged my post, but I do not know if their vote was changed.

Vyn Nysen: "Even if they voted 'for', for which our delegation would have been grateful, it is doubtful it would have turned the tide. Nonetheless, our delegation appreciates your willingness to engage with us on this topic, and not dismiss our cause and argumentation straight out of hand."

[South Boston Irishmen]

All sponsors deserve to have their thoughts and reasoning heard, and I enjoy hearing another parties thought process, so thank you for taking the time to discuss this proposal.

[Tinhampton]

The self-declared "Voice of the Tinhamptonian Delegation:" The Irishmen ought to expect major relevant developments over the course of this vote.

[Remavas]

After an intense debate in the Social Security & Employment committee of the Academic Senate, our nation is willing to support this repeal granted that a new and improved employment rights resolution is submitted to the assembly. In the interim the nation will update its employments laws on its own accord, should the repeal pass of course. However, this seems sadly improbable at this time, therefore, we have asked the Ministry of Justice and Public Safety to issue a memorandum on interpretations of reasonableness (as it pertains to time-limited employment contracts for example) to combat the current lacking wording. It is sad to see this repeal failing, and therefore being limited in the way we can combat the current issues,

[Swazzy McSwaz]

Our nation is willing to support this repeal only under the circumstances that a new bill will be proposed that fully covers the gaps left by the previous bill. Until such time, we cannot repeal a bill that has no replacement lined up. If we do not get such assurances in time, we will vote against the repeal, which seems to be the general direction of opinions anyway

[Daarwyrth]

Our nation is willing to support this repeal only under the circumstances that a new bill will be proposed that fully covers the gaps left by the previous bill. Until such time, we cannot repeal a bill that has no replacement lined up. If we do not get such assurances in time, we will vote against the repeal, which seems to be the general direction of opinions anyway

Vyn Nysen: Please have a look at my response to other delegations who said the same. There is already a replacement draft waiting to be submitted:

Vyn Nysen: "I would like to inform the delegation from Meretica that details surrounding a replacement are, in fact, not unclear. There is currently a proposal draft waiting to be submitted that deals on the topic of 'paid leave' in a much more precise and detailed manner, namely "Employee Rights" by the delegation from Tinhampton."